Real Black Ops Guy Discusses Violence in Games
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hmmm mayyybe idkfeather240 said:
and the errors with the gun mechanisms in the cover art seem more like an artistic error than anything so it doesn't directly correlate with the game itself-ah whatever nevermind haha
I wonder if his book is any good...might check it out
Finally, someone from the military with common sense unlike that other guy from that recent talkshow. I was astounded by his service record and I admire that and the fact that he really knows his shit when he's talking about this.
Actually, the book is recounting 10 operations he was part of during his time in service.Sleifer said:
The problem is I can't read it to see if he's really specific in his book, but I mean, just look at this description:AnAngryMoose said:
"Leading Teams into battle at the age of 18 until he retired at 37, his Teams were comprised of highly-trained men and women from all branches of military service. Their job was to kill and destroy in the name of the United States.
These never before revealed stories will draw you in as if you were part of the Team, under fire in forests, deserts, parking lots, on freeways and even the in the frozen Arctic.
Follow Hammersmith and his Teammates chasing traitors, recovering stolen intelligence, hunting illegal arms dealers, and destroying enemy weapon stockpiles throughout the world.
These Teams always knew they were going to a Gunfight! This book isolates the action of each battle and includes the tactics and training scenarios used for their survival."
Everything is so nonspecific and sounds so unprofessional. For example, it only says "Teams", never anything specific that can be traced back to a program that was in action back then. It also says "highly-trained men and women from all branches of military service", and I already addressed the issue with that. Yet another red flag is this "under fire in forests, deserts, parking lots, on freeways and even the in the FROZEN ARCTIC." This just smells way too much like some guy trying to make a quick buck off a community that wouldn't fact check these things. I have a very strong feeling that he's gonna be called out and will have to state that this book is fiction or something along those lines.
He seems to be missing the "game" part of this, and I'm not sure where he gets this idea of people being trained through growing up with FPS games. I really don't think that's the purpose.
With no offense, I think he sounds a little detached from reality (if I'm reading that carefully) as the position he's approaching it from seems more than a little "off".
To put things into perspective, playing a game, and doing whatever that game was about in real life are two seperate things. Sure, a FPS game can give you an understanding of tactics and what some ordinance can do, but it's not going to teach you how to behave in a combat situation. Even with paintball, the differance between "doing" and seeing something in a
game is entitely differant. When it's you actually moving, feeling the enviroment, and
having to line up the shots, things are entirely differant.
I simply put do not buy for a second that anyone is stupid in real life due to some belief (subconscious or otherwise) that they have multiple lives themselves, or that real people are going to come back from death. In many cases I think people try and insert those delusions (especially the latter) to try and project a system of logic the can understand to some extent, especially when dealing with a true psycho who just killed someone because they wanted to (especially when it comes to kids).
I'll also say that FPS players would make incredibly bad soldiers if they tried to act like they do in those games. Being a soldier is about patience, disapline, and working with each other. Even a lot of the best coordinated teams are fundementally a bunch of people running around willy nilly... at least compared to the disapline of the military. There is a reason why they have "Boot Camp" which exists to break people down, and turn them into a tool usable by the US goverment. The military does not want individuals who take initiative, it by and large wants people who follow orders, and do what they are told, when they are told, and in predetermined and trained fashion.
With no offense, I think he sounds a little detached from reality (if I'm reading that carefully) as the position he's approaching it from seems more than a little "off".
To put things into perspective, playing a game, and doing whatever that game was about in real life are two seperate things. Sure, a FPS game can give you an understanding of tactics and what some ordinance can do, but it's not going to teach you how to behave in a combat situation. Even with paintball, the differance between "doing" and seeing something in a
game is entitely differant. When it's you actually moving, feeling the enviroment, and
having to line up the shots, things are entirely differant.
I simply put do not buy for a second that anyone is stupid in real life due to some belief (subconscious or otherwise) that they have multiple lives themselves, or that real people are going to come back from death. In many cases I think people try and insert those delusions (especially the latter) to try and project a system of logic the can understand to some extent, especially when dealing with a true psycho who just killed someone because they wanted to (especially when it comes to kids).
I'll also say that FPS players would make incredibly bad soldiers if they tried to act like they do in those games. Being a soldier is about patience, disapline, and working with each other. Even a lot of the best coordinated teams are fundementally a bunch of people running around willy nilly... at least compared to the disapline of the military. There is a reason why they have "Boot Camp" which exists to break people down, and turn them into a tool usable by the US goverment. The military does not want individuals who take initiative, it by and large wants people who follow orders, and do what they are told, when they are told, and in predetermined and trained fashion.
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A lot of soap-box anti video games figures state that a completely realistic shooter would cease to function the first time you died. That raises the question of who the fuck would play such a game? Their products for entertainment meant to turn a profit, the Armed Forces have realistic simulators but they're not meant for entertainment.
You could easily say the same thing about hitmen, killers and psychopaths. I'm not saying all soldiers are psychopaths, I'm just saying you could really eff up a person's sense of reality when you mess with his head like that.Atmos Duality said:
You would be correct. Every war has produced people of that sort.AxelxGabriel said:
Real combat and war are not clean subjects. They never have been.
It takes a strong will and tremendous self-control to endure that sort of lifestyle for long without breaking in some way.
Most war veterans I've met (who saw/participated in combat) scarcely talk about those experiences even decades after the fact. And I know far too many retired soldiers (they all moved to these little armpit suburbs).
Personally, I feel lucky to not have to live in "the moment" every day of my life.
Realism is for army trainees. Games are for gamers.
Look at Sauerbraten, Doom, Quake, any good shooter, it'll be unrealistic and completely fucking AWESOME.
Look at Sauerbraten, Doom, Quake, any good shooter, it'll be unrealistic and completely fucking AWESOME.
Only one comment about this, I'm surprised. That name was just awesome beyond belief. I immediately imagined some rugged, Germanic giant, camouflage paint in wicked tribal shapes. That or basically TF2's Medic.SteelStallion said:
But there is of course Staff Sergeant Max Fightmaster [http://www.cracked.com/funny-2592-staff-sgt.-max-fightmaster/]. Well, he's Sergeant First Class Max Fightmaster now, sadly that doesn't have the same ring to it. And they're not even making it up, it's just...holy shit. Words just cannot comprehend the awesomeness of that name.
*ahem*
Anyway, on to the topic at hand, this guy sounds pretty damn cool. It's funny how completely unrelated politicians are crying foul about 'us gamers', but someone 'from the field' is pleasantly surprised about when he actually meets people like us.
Jim Grim said:
At the moment a LOT of Call of Duty players most likely think that the franchise is already teaching them how to act in such a situation. Too many idiots will try and join the army because of CoD in the future and it's a great way to gain cannon fodder.
I want a war game where you kill some foreigners,suffer extreme mental issues and finally die pointlessly. Would probably be a lot more enjoyable than CoD
1.By a "LOT of Call of Duty players" I assume you mean an impressionable few. Not many people are actually that stupid, though it might seem that way sometimes.Svenparty said:
2.That doesn't sound particularly 'enjoyable,' but whatever floats your boat, my friend. Whatever floats your boat.