Record high amount of young men not having..ehm you-know-what.

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

I didn't give any evidence. Why are you trying to start an argument?

There's no evidence that he did.

Why comment and try to tell me my "evidence" is weaker then? Why comment at all?

 

[Agema]

But it wasn't until recently that porn was easily available to people from a young age. 12 year old kids have access to all kinds of shit now that I couldn't even have dreamt of at that age. I don't think I had "easy" access to porn until I was like 15 or 16, even then I had to be sneaky about it because the family computer was shared..

When I was a kid, computer porn was 640x480 VGA graphics at best... and frankly that meant you were wasting your time. Magazines and VHS were the media for porn.

That isn't how the "sex show" ceremonies that have been going on for thousands of years that Native American Tribes put on went at all. Ceremonies for my tribe were an elaborate stage production with costuming and sex toys and props, no body hair, not unlike modern porn, may be considered a bit more elaborate than most porn, but live on stage for everyone to watch.

That's all coming from a very different cultural context, though, isn't it? It's hardly the same background of sexual prudishness or puritanism of European culture where porn is an sort of moral aberration for sheer sexual gratification; the stuff of furtive 15-year-olds beating themselves off with a constant nagging dread that mum/dad/etc. is going to walk in on them. Whilst perhaps staged or quasi-ritualised, Not I suspect a ubiquitous, 24/7 ongoing display with surgical enhancements selling fantasy as if obtainable reality.

 

[Trunkage]

In a broader perspective, we must not forget that men have fewer close friends, spend less time hanging out with friends that are not family and tend to put more stock in workplace friends then women do. A lot more men then women find themselves without any close friends and with barely any contact with their co-workers.

Where are you getting this from? Is this a cultural difference thing because just about every man I know has several close friends they met years ago while their wives tend to drop/lose friends and make new ones depending on circumstances in their life.

You're evidence sounds way shakier than Gethsamani's. That's just anecdotal. Gethsemani would be generalizing as well, similar to the claim men are stronger than women. Some women are stronger than the average but pick two random people and men are more like to be stronger. You may just have a batch that doesn't follow the generalization

I didn't give any evidence. Why are you trying to start an argument?

Do you even read what you wrote?

Your whole post was an anecdote and how you think this is reason why Gethsemani's claim maybe wrong. You're argument is based on your friends experience.

I'm not arguing with you. Your making claims based on your personal experience. I'm just pointing this out. I'm even pointing out how Gethsamani's claim are wrong. Their's is a claim based on steretype that probably doesn't match all experiences.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

I mean...so? Is it such a disaster that we might be shedding the image that young men are little more than horndogs with nothing but sex on the mind?

 

[Baffle]

Why comment and try to tell me my "evidence" is weaker then? Why comment at all?

Because this is a discussion forum. If you want to say something but don't want replies, you could just write it in a text file and save it to your desktop.

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

I'm not arguing with you. Your making claims based on your personal experience. I'm just pointing this out. I'm even pointing out how Gethsamani's claim are wrong. Their's is a claim based on steretype that probably doesn't match all experiences.

My claim obviously doesn't match all experiences, that's sort of the thing with macro statistics. There will be very sociable men, men with large networks, men with many close friends etc., just as there will be socially inept women, women without networks or close friends etc.. But on average men have less social contact and friends then women, as well as less inclination to discuss their problems with others, hence why personal disasters (economical ruin, relationship break-ups etc.) tend to cause men to attempt suicide in higher numbers then women.

When discussing general populations we'll never be able to catch all individual experiences, but stereotyped averages still tell us something. Like that men generally can ground lift more then women or that men generally suffer more cardiovascular problems then women.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I mean...so? Is it such a disaster that we might be shedding the image that young men are little more than horndogs with nothing but sex on the mind?

Yeah I'm with you on this one; is it so terrible that we're maybe releasing our stranglehold on the idea of 'You must be fucking or you're less adequate' or something? Like maybe both sides of the gender divide taking a collective step backwards to take a goddamn breath is a good idea.

 

[TheIronRuler]

It's a symptom of societal sickness. You could argue automation could replace the lost work-force in the near future. You could also import a different nation's youth to your own country. Both are legitimate options done in nation-states like Japan and France.

However I don't think this is anything close to a healthy trend.

 

[McElroy]

I mean...so? Is it such a disaster that we might be shedding the image that young men are little more than horndogs with nothing but sex on the mind?

For this statistic to say anything about that you'd have to poll how much people think about sex, how much they consume lewd material, how much they would like to have sex, why they don't and so on. It's very unlikely young men think about sex less often than before, they just don't get laid.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

I mean...so? Is it such a disaster that we might be shedding the image that young men are little more than horndogs with nothing but sex on the mind?

For this statistic to say anything about that you'd have to poll how much people think about sex, how much they consume lewd material, how much they would like to have sex, why they don't and so on. It's very unlikely young men think about sex less often than before, they just don't get laid.

Alright, thinking about sex might be the same, hormones are hormones after all, but does this denote something along the lines of what Gordon_4 suggested that we're getting past the idea that sex is some sort of trophy that is the only thing you should care about attaining

 

[Sonmi]

Honestly, I find it hard to believe that that number of adults not having sex in the latest year are unable to have sex.

Shlobby, dumb, asocial morons get laid all the time, why would that not be true of anyone?

 

[McElroy]

does this denote something along the lines of what Gordon_4 suggested that we're getting past the idea that sex is some sort of trophy that is the only thing you should care about attaining

You could speculate that sex (as defined in the poll, I'm sure alone time didn't count here) has gone down in priority, but how much if at all is just a guess. It's fair to point out that people who set getting out of that 28% as their top priority would most likely have sex once per year. But the article and most of this thread as well speculates what else as changed in the lives of these people. The single population is bigger than ever, people settle down later in life, they live with their parents, there are more things to do alone than before, expectations are diverging too much from reality, and so on.

Attitudes towards sex need another poll. A question they asked here in a study of Finnish sex habits (newest is 2015) comes quite close: Did you want your first time very much? It's about 70% 'yes' for men and 53% for women, but in 2007 it was almost 79% for men and 52% for women. So maybe something, I dunno.

 

[Trunkage]

It's a symptom of societal sickness. You could argue automation could replace the lost work-force in the near future. You could also import a different nation's youth to your own country. Both are legitimate options done in nation-states like Japan and France.

However I don't think this is anything close to a healthy trend.

I hope you mean automation for Japan. Because the Japanese are some of the most racist people when it comes to immigrants.

 

[TheIronRuler]

It's a symptom of societal sickness. You could argue automation could replace the lost work-force in the near future. You could also import a different nation's youth to your own country. Both are legitimate options done in nation-states like Japan and France.

However I don't think this is anything close to a healthy trend.

I hope you mean automation for Japan. Because the Japanese are some of the most racist people when it comes to immigrants.

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I think I wrote it clearly enough and in the right order. A, B ... like C, D.
A--->C
B---->D
So...yeah.
Woosh.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

I will say, I'm not exactly in that "young man" stage, which is still something I'm trying to adjust to. However, I am a virgin, and that was an abnormality for my age group, where it was seen as a sign of manhood to have gotten laid.

The reason I mention this is to give my perspective on why I never went out to get laid. Basically, I thought sex was important and meant something...and that's why I never really made it happen for me as of yet. I've had a couple of relationships, both in high school. The first one ended when she "broke up with me" by telling her friend to tell me she was breaking up with me, and then starting another relationship regardless of what my response was. The second, I totally dropped the ball. I wasn't mature enough for a relationship, and it ended with her breaking up with me for expecting her to do the normal boyfriend/girlfriend activities without any hint of reciprocating on my part. Since then, I've been too focused on getting myself together to really think about an outside relationship.

If sex is so important, then the person I have sex with should be important as well. If I can't get myself and my priorities together enough to be fair in a relationship in general, do I really deserve to have sex if it's that big of a deal? And if I just have sex for the sake of having sex, doesn't that cheapen the entire importance of sex?

 

[Abomination]

If sex is so important, then the person I have sex with should be important as well. If I can't get myself and my priorities together enough to be fair in a relationship in general, do I really deserve to have sex if it's that big of a deal? And if I just have sex for the sake of having sex, doesn't that cheapen the entire importance of sex?

Sex is like learning to ride a bike, drive a car, file your taxes, or your first paycheque.

You do not HAVE to do it before you die, but it's sort of a coming of age event. Certainly an experience worth having and typically allows a participant a moment of reflection as to what they can appreciate in such a manner.

There's no need for your partner to be special either in order for you to perform the act. But it is an act worth performing.

 

[Trunkage]

It's a symptom of societal sickness. You could argue automation could replace the lost work-force in the near future. You could also import a different nation's youth to your own country. Both are legitimate options done in nation-states like Japan and France.

However I don't think this is anything close to a healthy trend.

I hope you mean automation for Japan. Because the Japanese are some of the most racist people when it comes to immigrants.

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I think I wrote it clearly enough and in the right order. A, B ... like C, D.
A--->C
B---->D
So...yeah.
Woosh.

Just checking.

Societies moved from Feudal to Mercantile to Capitalistic and there was plenty of sickness and problems with all systems, including during the transfer to the new ones. It's just what happens. We have to whether it as best as possible

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

But it wasn't until recently that porn was easily available to people from a young age. 12 year old kids have access to all kinds of shit now that I couldn't even have dreamt of at that age. I don't think I had "easy" access to porn until I was like 15 or 16, even then I had to be sneaky about it because the family computer was shared..

When I was a kid, computer porn was 640x480 VGA graphics at best... and frankly that meant you were wasting your time. Magazines and VHS were the media for porn.

That isn't how the "sex show" ceremonies that have been going on for thousands of years that Native American Tribes put on went at all. Ceremonies for my tribe were an elaborate stage production with costuming and sex toys and props, no body hair, not unlike modern porn, may be considered a bit more elaborate than most porn, but live on stage for everyone to watch.

That's all coming from a very different cultural context, though, isn't it? It's hardly the same background of sexual prudishness or puritanism of European culture where porn is an sort of moral aberration for sheer sexual gratification; the stuff of furtive 15-year-olds beating themselves off with a constant nagging dread that mum/dad/etc. is going to walk in on them. Whilst perhaps staged or quasi-ritualised, Not I suspect a ubiquitous, 24/7 ongoing display with surgical enhancements selling fantasy as if obtainable reality.

You are correct, as in our culture, sex was celebrated, encouraged and considered beautiful and one of the best parts of life. Masturbation was encouraged and people were not shamed for sex, sexuality, or otherwise repressed in this regard. While not using surgical enhancements, they still had prosthetic enhancements of sorts that were considered sex toys.

I think it may be the difference in how sex is viewed culturally that may encourage disillusionment from viewing porn since they are so sheltered from sex otherwise. If they change how sex is viewed by society as a whole, it would likely change the expectations of sex and relationships and the way porn is viewed as well. When sex is openly discussed and encouraged, it is not made so unfamiliar that they develop strange ideas on what is and what is not expected.

Though also there are biological differences in addition to cultural differences in that some Native American tribes have far less body hair, and the majority of the women, at least in my tribe, tend to be fairly large busted, even when we have a 23" waist, so no need for surgical enhancements on that end. When you described sex of being hairy and such as being reality, that is also ethnic specific reality depending on the group you are speaking of rather than of humans in general. Of course you would not expect a European woman to necessarily be extremely busty, skinny and hairless naturally as Native Americans are, as that is not an accurate representation of the European general population.

 

[Hawki]

Sex is like learning to ride a bike, drive a car, file your taxes, or your first paycheque.

You do not HAVE to do it before you die,

I'd be curious as to who managed to go through life without ever having to pay tax or receive a pay cheque.

 

[EvilRoy]

Sex is like learning to ride a bike, drive a car, file your taxes, or your first paycheque.

You do not HAVE to do it before you die,

I'd be curious as to who managed to go through life without ever having to pay tax or receive a pay cheque.

I guess if you don't do those two things together your whole life and live in the forest or something it could work. The second you get the latter somebody is coming for the former though.