I don't think restarting it will make it any better, the franchise has been run in to the ground.
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I honestly just wanted them to continue where Terminator Salvation left off. Mainly because I liked that film back then and preferred seeing more of the future and seeing it conclude with a closed loop. But hey, I can't always get everything.
I'd like to see one set AFTER the war for once, get some idea of how humanity is trying to rebuild after the war has ended and what happens to the now leaderless machines many of which are capable of developing independent thought if they don't have it already. In fact, I'd love to see an open world video game based around the concept (made by Bethesda or maybe CD Projekt naturally).fix-the-spade said:
Actually Genisys didn't bomb really, it made 440 million dollars worldwide (and that's just the theatrical release) the only one of the Terminator movies that made more money was Terminator 2. It's just that the production and marketing budget was too high for it to break even despite that. It really shows just how insane movie budgets have become when 440 million dollars isn't considered a smashing success.Buizel91 said:
Why won't they just let it rest? Terminator movies haven't been critical successes since the 90s, and Genisys bombed. Plus, the whole franchise is inseparably linked to Schwarzenegger, who isn't really that up to snuff in being an action star anymore. Can't we get a new franchise? I'd like to see that happen for once: instead of sticking a franchise name on a movie (like with Prometheus), you make a reboot movie in a franchise, and then take the label off. Wouldn't that be something?
So we had a Robocop reboot and now we are going to get a Terminator reboot.... is their any chance that we could just get a movie in which these two go head to head. I mean really could it be any worse than doing bad reboots of once great movies?
Amen. I'm of the (unpopular) opnion that both Aliens and T2: Judgement Day were wholly unnecessary films.KissingSunlight said:
Honestly, just give up on both franchises. The RoboCop and Total Recall reboots were hot garbage. What are the odds this will be any good?
Unneccessary,.Yes. Damned Entertaining. Hell Yeah. But I think the problem is, we've entered a revisionist period of films. The whole. Put an end to the war thing. Hah. Yeah. that's what he says now. 600mill at the domestic box office later and oh look, we have a not sequal spin off that follows the aftermath of the first, with references t and perhaps the characters. But it's still not a sequel.Chewster said:
I agree with the latter, but not the former. The series isn't dependent on the same model of Terminator constantly turning up - T2 at least makes it relevant to the plot, T3 needs to contrive an explanation, T4, it actually works, T5, it's just getting silly. I mean, what, they can replace the actors for Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese, but Model 101 is irreplacable?bartholen said:
Don't think that's too unpopular. Neither of those films needed sequels - most sequels are inherantly unneeded. Still, most would agree that those sequels are at least good.Chewster said:
But I liked the reboot, even more than the original.Chewster said:
I suppose the original is superior, only just, because the reboot takes its cues from it (and the original is far more ambiguous as to whether it's real or not), but the original also has an insane amount of cheese to cut through.
Makes sense. The whole premise of the Terminator franchise is based around time travel to influence the past (present) in order to change the present (future), so technically speaking each film causes a reboot of the timeline. I may disagree with the attempts of many directors to 'reboot' my old favourites, but in the context of the Terminator films reboots are actually a valid method of advancing the canon.
Y'know, I attempted to put the timelines together to either argue for or against Genisys being the one film that can't grow out of altered timelines, but then I read http://ew.com/article/2015/06/30/terminator-genisys-franchise-timeline-explained/ and...dear god, my nose is bleeding. I mean, I like Salvation, and would have been fine with a 'future war trilogy' that gave John/Kate/whomever is left a happy ending.* I liked Genisys, and didn't feel it needed a sequel, that Genisys was its own thing in its own timeline. But right now, I'm kind of wishing that Cameron just ended T2 with the cut ending so I wouldn't get headaches from this.Grouchy Imp said:
I think what's really telling is that time travel in the series went from a last ditch effort by Skynet (implied, if not outright stated in T1) to the point where in Sarah Connor Chronicles, time travel is done willy nilly by both sides, and even in T3, we can assume that by postponing JD, and with the T-850 killing John in 2032, the future was actually made worse, and victory no longer guaranteed. It kind of makes sense, if we assume that Skynet builds off more advanced 2000s technology rather than 1990s technology (which is actually a plot point in a 'quiet horror' moment in Genisys, how Skynet, if activated, will have access to T-1000 technology from the outset). So, yeah. Maybe a reboot is needed. Reboot, make it take place in a completely different multiverse, and end the story so airtightly that it can't have post-Cameron nonsense.
*A happy ending as in, if I was to pitch two films to follow Salvation, T5 would be basically everything leading up to the point where the T-800/Reese/Uncle Bob/T-1000 are sent back, and T6 would be a final victory over Skynet in 2032, where John isn't killed by the T-850, but still sends it back to deal with the T-X. The series is thus completed, John and Kate live happily ever after, and a loop stabilized.
I don't disagree that they were entertaining but both were such tonal shifts from the originals that I found it hard to take them seriously. They didn't add much of anything to the mythology of either franchise (and in the case of T2 didn't even make any sense from the time travel standpoint) but yes, entertaining.Hawki said:
It's the classic Hollywood move: more sequels, less original IPs because original IPs are too risky. Which why we get a never ending stream of reboots, and probably will never stop until Hollywood's ego becomes so bloated that it collapses in on itself like a nuclear bomb made of smugness. And cocaine.
I don't even really get worked up about it any more. 'Cause Hollywood dun give a fuck anyway. Like a Honey Badger. Made of smugness and cocaine.
I'll give you that the original Total Recall's satire wasn't as biting as Verhoeven's other stuff like RoboCop or Starship Troopers. It's cheesy as hell, for sure. And in fairness to you, the Total Recall reboot had a lot more going for it than the RoboCop one. At least Total Recall (2012) had some interesting cinematography and some epic set pieces. But still. Arnie. And that [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuCiiRDpbCk"(title,target)]face[/URL].Hawki said:But I liked the reboot, even more than the original.Chewster said:
I suppose the original is superior, only just, because the reboot takes its cues from it (and the original is far more ambiguous as to whether it's real or not), but the original also has an insane amount of cheese to cut through.
Maybe I'll go watch the reboot again.
To each their own, but there's one thing I'll say, and that I strongly disagree with the notion of them adding nothing to the mythology. Aliens effectively provides the template to the whole Alien universe, as a lot of the film is dedicated to worldbuilding. Likewise, the events of T2 pretty much shake up the entire space-time continuum. In contrast, Alien, while a solid film, does nothing in the way of mythology, only that we know that humanity has FTL travel, that the xenomorphs and Space Jockeys exist/existed, and...that's it. The film isn't poorer for not having a wide mythology, but the setting as a whole benefits from what Aliens provides.Chewster said:
I'll admit it's been a good while since I've seen Aliens so I could be forgetting some stuff but the only thing they seemed to reenforce was that Weyland-Yutani is a horrible, profiteering corporation that neglects its people, sacrifices lives and is only in it for themselves. But we already had a good idea about that from Ash's actions toward saving the xenomorph and from Brett and Parker complaining about their shares in the company and whatnot. The weasely exec Burke in Aliens was such an utter caricature you could predict his behavior from moment one. We didn't get much more on where the aliens come from or what happened to the Pilot, which I guess we're getting to now with these prequels (don't get me started on Prometheus). I don't know. Maybe I'm forgetting something. I'll have to rewatch it and get back to you.Hawki said:
Still, that exoskeleton bit and the introduction of the xenomorph queen, so there is that. Pretty badass. It's a fun action film but I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as the claustrophobic first one.