razelas said:
I'm not going to lie, Mw2 did a rather shitty job on pacing the single-player so as to make it comprehendable, never mind the numerous plot holes.
Treblaine said:
It doesn't make sense WHY Shepard killed off the Task Force, what had he actually done? Had he ordered the massacre in the Russian Airport? Or had he just allowed it to happen? Had he helped the Russian's invade? Left the back door open? What? Either way the task force knew nothing and they only suspected anything when Shepard tried and failed to kill all of them yet Price suddenly psychically knows Shepard's entire plan even though he only suggested anything to Roach who died immediately afterwards.
Shepard killed the Task Force because they were searching for Makarov, which would lead TF141 to Shepard. Simply put: the situation is analogous to Nixon's Smoking Gun [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal#The_.22Smoking_Gun.22_tape] and the resulting Saturday Night Massacre [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal#.22Saturday_Night_Massacre.22l]: imagine Shepard as Nixon, who lied about the White House plumbers, and TF141 as the Attorney-General's investigators assigned to investigate the White House plumbers, and ultimately Nixon (or in this case Shepard) himself. The Smoking Gun part is the data that Roach and Ghost retrieved linking Shepard to Makarov. The Saturday Night Massacre (which is when Nixon fired the top 5 people who assigned the investigators to Watergate) is what happens when Shepard killed Ghost, Roach and the rest of TF141; he was cleaning his tracks.
Treblaine said:
And then Price is like "We're gonna kill him" and I'm like "But WHY??!?"
Sure he tried to kill us but he's also America's best hope of defending against Russian invasion, and bringing Makharov to justice? They killed hundreds of US soldiers (or mercenaries, it's not clear) for a petty personal vendetta and some bullshit ideological babble about "the victor writes the history books". Just because he dies that DOES NOT mean you have won, that just turns his from a hero into a martyr.
Lol, it looks like you fell into Shepard's trap. Apparently, you don't know that Shepard conspired the Russian invasion of the US with the help of Makarov.
Treblaine said:
Loose Ends was such a stupid level.
Roach COPIES the intel (doesn't destroy the original) and hands it to Shepard without any way he could have viewed it... and then Shepard upon acquiring this calls it "One less loose end" then kills both him and Ghost.
Shepard hoped that TF141 would die in the final search for Makarov. This is the "Saturday Night Massacre" part.
You know Nixon got found out... firing the people did nothing but delay (and ENSURE) the inevitable, it was sheer desperation.
Also, how does Task Force 141 finding Makarov in any way incriminate Shepard? WHat is he going to blurt out "Nuaaah don't shoot, things aren't as they seem... but Shepard sent and undecover agent to my organisation and we dumped his body to incriminate America... OoOoOoooOoh that changes everything!"
I don't see any indication in the game that Makarov in any way co-operated with Shepard:
"The American THOUGHT he cold trick us, but when they find his body Russia will cry for war"
Frankly it's more like this was a plan for RUSSIAN military recruitment. Makarov's history and list of terrorist atrocities make him working with Shepard about as likely a Osama Bin Laden and Cheney going duck hunting together. NEITHER would want to do anything, they hate each other's guts.
The only thing that possibly makes sense about the No Russian level is he wanted to frame America for the crime... but the fact that he is an infamous Russian Terrorist and committed the act with no mask... and the body left to incriminate USA was an American who had adopted a Russian identity (even Russian prison tattoos). BTW, what an incredibly dumb idea, sending a combat soldier on a spy mission in a culture and country he knows nothing about apart from the little he can be taught on short notice.
America would just have to say "WTF? American? Doesn't look like it. What about the other three bodies of armed terrorists at the airport, those are undeniably Russians affiliated with Makarov and his terrorist empires."
"Apparently, you don't know that Shepard conspired the Russian invasion of the US with the help of Makarov. "
How do YOU know? All we know is he sent Allen undercover in Makarov's organisation. Then lied about it to the secretary of defence.
Where is the evidence he let Russia in the back door? Where is the evidence he isn't absolutely committed to finding Makarov and bringing him to justice and ultimately defending America from a fight he started but he definitely wants to win.
I still stand by that killing him would only make him a martyr... not because I am confused but because reasonably everyone else is going to believe he was just a good patriot doing his job.
I can't stand these conspiracy bullshit because they are under the utter fantasy that they never get found out, but Nixon couldn't hide some bloody burglaries.