You know, after watching this I think the stormcloaks and the revolutionaries have a lot in common.
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I don't know if anyone posted this but time to be a ****.
The American Revolution was over by 1783 when the British abandoned claims to the United States.
The British adopted the Union jack in 1801.
Why was it seen hanging and then dropping from the wall in the court house?
The American Revolution was over by 1783 when the British abandoned claims to the United States.
The British adopted the Union jack in 1801.
Why was it seen hanging and then dropping from the wall in the court house?
Guys, guys... think about this period historically. The American War of Independence was fought because we Americans believed ourselves to be British and yet weren't extended the same rights and privileges as our fellow Britons. So the American War of Independence wasn't British vs. American it was British vs. British. Just because our governments and other institutions have since that time tried to make us loyal to national identities doesn't mean that we weren't (and indeed aren't) basically the same people.
Boy, if that annoys you I can't imagine how you feel about the American Civil War.Lyri said:
If you're not sure what I'm talking about, google "Confederate Flag"
You will not get a single flag of the actual Confederacy.
Don't misquote me. I said this: "As a Brit, I'm trying to maintain an even-handed approach. If they were Americans being slaughtered, I would probably already be praising it as my game of the decade, so, because hypocrisy is my number one hatred, I need to cool my jets, and accept what appears to be going on. Anyway, being surrounded by Brits, I hate them as much as the anyone."DRes82 said:Jesus H...five pages of whining about the historical inaccuracy of a video game trailer. If you're british and this really pisses you off, you need to do some serious thinking about what you put effort towards. If you're american and you're pandering to the whiners by saying, 'i'm american and i know why you would blah blah blah', you need a damned face punch and a lesson in not being pressured by a crowd.
Are you fucking kidding me? This kind of sociopathic bullshit is ridiculous! You would praise a game for 'slaughtering' a specific demographic? Right, and I'm sure that you're well balanced and have a girlfriend and don't live in your mother's basement.The Cheezy One said:
This kind of aass backward nonsense from a video game trailer. This, British escapists, is what should be angering you. Not some lamely written line in a two minute trailer.
1: Yes, I was 'Fucking kidding you'. I. Was. Joking. Obviously slaughter based on a demographic is not a good thing, but this is gaming, and unless you are a 'videogame violence' hysterical, there is no correlation between gaming and real world violence with mature adults. I myself turned 20 last week, and have no criminal record whatsoever. So presumably, I'm not going to grab a hammer and take it to a randomer on the street, or specifically hunt down a certain demographic. Although if I did, it would be people that made outrageously agressive comments on the internet, but that might take a while.
2: Would you say the same thing if I was talking about Nazis? Or aliens? No. So stop quoting me out of context and acting as if it proves some kind of self-made point. I was not saying anything about a minority, or inciting any kind of persecution. What I was saying was that I would be reasonable in this discussion, and that while I am a hypocrit by nature, I will work on this to be more accepting of other people's arguments. I am so glad you decided to meet me half way.
3: What was that about being well-balanced, having a girlfriend and living in my mothers basement? Those are stereotypes, and arguments stand up far better without them. And how does where I live affect what my attitude in gaming should be? Anyway, I live with friends in Scotland, where I am going to uni. So your comment doesn't actually apply. My mother doesn't actually have a basement. There were coal mines near where she lives, and the ground is unstable below a certain depth.
You might want to read a little further down the Wikipedia article. The Union Flag has been around in various forms since the early 1600's, with the most familiar version (that includes representation of the Cross of St. Patrick) being the one that was instituted in 1801. The Flag flying in the courthouse appears to be the earlier version, without the red diagonals, and so could conceivably have flown in Colonial Government buildings.Lyri said:
/pedant
As for the AC3 marketing thus far, I haven't been enthused and definitely smelled more than a whiff of jingoism. That said, I'm not a fan of the series as a whole and so is unlikely to impact on my personal purchasing likelihood.
I'm afraid you're wrong there. While the current form of the Union Flag has been in use since 1801 if you look closely at the flag shown in the trailer you'll notice that it has no diagonal red strips. These were introduced in 1801 as recognition of Ireland being part of the union, the red diagonal stripes being a symbol of the cross of St Patrick. The design of the Union Flag before this, that was in use at the time of the American Revolution is the one shown in the trailer.Lyri said:
I don't really care for this trailer much, but I think that it's probably merely a marketing decision, a poor one from my view at least, that they have gone with. At least I hope it is.
I hope that the game itself has a more realistic and unbiased view on the conflict and that it lives up to the previous games.
Edit: Well I've been Ninja'd.
Judging from the almost 200 post count on this thread and all the internet hoopla since this trailer was released I'd say Ubisoft did exactly what they set out to do. Honestly I've seen more people talking about AC now with this trailer then when the game was announced!
Look man, quoting the entire paragraph is not going to help whatever point it is you're trying to make. Saying that you're trying not to be hypocritical but this is what you believe is a stupid, contradictory statement. Also, of course, I wouldn't give a shit if you were talking about nazis or aliens, for obvious reasons. How does that correlate? A more appropriate question would be "would you get angry if I said the same thing about the Canadians or the Mexicans?", to which the answer would be abso-fucking-lutely.The Cheezy One said:
No shit. As a matter of fact, one of the points I was trying to get across was the fact that this is a video game trailer, not some US anti-british propaganda or a serious revolutionary war documentary. So why in all holy fuckdom are people getting so riled up about it?The Cheezy One said:
Ok, I'll give you that. It's your lucky day. Besides, I was over this nonsense hours ago.The Cheezy One said:
Templars, Freemasons, American Revolution... Watch the movie National Treasure. (Eh well, I don't really know the Conspiracy theories too well, but I beleive the Templars are connected to the Freemasons.)
I'm still really hoping for this to be a set up for an AC in the French Revolution, with a final showdown with Mecha-Napoleon.
I'm still really hoping for this to be a set up for an AC in the French Revolution, with a final showdown with Mecha-Napoleon.
I like how a lot of the moderate Americans in this thread are basically saying "It's 4th of July, we're allowed demolish all shades of grey and act like foaming mouth patriots today". Why should a crappy trailer be excusable on one day more so than on others?algalon said:
This is a game set in colonial times but made in a modern era, creative expression does not exist in a vacuum nor should it. It's a product of its context.
Lets look at the "Why should I learn history" line. I'm fairly certain school children's misdemeanors in the classroom were not a major historical factor of the revolution, so it's safe to say that line was inserted as part of the artistic license of the trailer makers. They obviously thought a good way to appeal to Americans on the day of their independence was to devalue the obvious worth of knowing about other cultures that play a significant role in your life (i.e. the one that claims ownership of the kid's own bloody country). In a modern context I suppose they'd justify not learning about China despite the fact that they produce vast quantities of your stuff and control about 8% of your country's total public debt.
Also how can you talk of "oppression" and "armies sacking towns" when I'm fairly certain a fair bit of the former and basically all of the latter only happened during the revolution, not in the lead up to it. America was a British colony, why would they burn their own shit?
Disclaimer for the bigoted: I'm an Australian.
Ship battles and field skirmishes, all this stuff shown in E3 and in the trailers, happened pre-war? Looks awfully active for ya know, not being war. At what point is a battle involving troops and formations not part of a larger engagement? So many are dismissing the trailer by saying "Oh all that bad stuff didn't happen until the actual war." In case you didn't notice, a large swath of the game is during the war so stop using the few moments of peacetime at the game's opening as an excuse to play out your own revisionist fantasy.
I thought it was a pretty powerful trailer. That kid's line who was about to get caned was fucking cringeworthy, but despite that, it was pretty nifty.
Because we don't have anything to be ashamed about back than. It was something powerful and worthy of being celebrated. And it being released on the 4th of July means nothing to me. I would have still liked it anyways.Alexnader said:
Is this saying that we should be happy about what we're doing nowadays? Absolutely not. The current state of this country's politics and war dealing should be met with objection. But an event that happened two hundred years ago that drastically helped shaped the modern day world is worthy of being remembered. Does this mean I have to be fine and dandy with everything my country has done? Absolutely not. The deaths of the Indians, Slavery, is despicable and evil.[/quote]
Isn't this time period according to all the Animus Snippets when the Templars stopped using religion to try and control the world and started using economics? I think some people expecting an Assassin's Creed Mel Gibson's the Patriot edition are going to be in for quite a shock.