Rise for This Live Action Assassin's Creed III Trailer

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CaptainMarvelous said:
And yet despite this jingositic, inaccurate plot of this we probably wouldn't be so pissed off if they wouldn't bald faced LIE about it. If they said "Yeah, we're doing the American War of Independence but it's all from one side" that'd be fine, it's the bullshit "We do it even handedly" that pisses everyone off. I mean, shit, I love AC but I'm really not sure I'm up for buying this, it's just relentless in the bullshit.
That's only about 25% of the reason it bothers me. Sure, they said it was going to be moralistically-balanced; the other thing they said is that they're focused on telling Assassin's Creed stories, not revolution/history stories.

What, apparently, have the trailers thus far shown us about our protagonist, his views, motives, allies, enemies, his journey or his goal?

The trailers, (particularly this new one) have been very much more focused on presenting a revolution story; and seemingly not even a fair one at that. Beside that; they are supposed to be using {mostly} historical accuracy as a base for story-telling. The Animus is supposed to be rendering 'history as it really was', and 'without the tint of historical bias'.

Ironyeeeee...

Though even if it were to be some astute use of irony to underline just such a theme; saying on the one hand that your work will transcend immature, politically dismissive, ahistorical, absolutist, romanticized nationalist fantasy; while on on the other hand appealing to those very things in it's promotion; strikes me as wanting to have one's cake and eat it too.
 

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pffftttt hahahaha ubisoft your really taking this whole the "British aren't the enemy the templars are" thing really seriously I mean for god sakes this game is getting more and more into american masturbation material with every announcement.

I feel this video is appropriate
 

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Baresark said:
It's true, Altaire's religion was implied as he answered directly to a Muslim leader. But also the naming convention is that of Islamic background, specifically the use of term "ibn" within his name, which means "son of". But I recognize that it could also be a result of his regional upbringing.
As noted, he had a Muslim father - and a Christian mother. His religious beliefs have never been stated as far as a I know (nor have Al Mualim's). Considering the theme of the game was focused more on the Control/Safety of the Templars vs. the Freedom/Chaos of the Assassins, religion simply wasn't important. They were two factions which have philosophical opposition which have nothing to do with religion.

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The Knights Templar are among the most famous Western Christian Military Orders. They were representative of the Christian role in the Crusades, as well as many other knightly orders. Some of the more famous of those others being units like the Hospitallers (not sure if this is spelled correctly).
"The Knights Templar" are not the Templars of the AC series. The real version may be a Christian order but the AC version is nothing of the sort especially since the Templars as an AC faction predate Christianity by hundreds if not thousands of years.


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As far as Al Mualin being the puppet master, you didn't know till the end that was the situation. The staging ground were the Crusades which was a war between Islam and Christendom, though that conflict is in the backround. That is not to say the background conflict to this title will not be the revolution. But Altaire clearly killed men of Christian descent, and I will say it again, no one had an issue with this.
Yes, he killed men of Christian descent. He also killed men of Muslim descent. Saracen men. And, as noted, Altairs own religious affiliations were never stated and indeed weren't important. The background conflict may have been religious, but the conflict of Altair was Assassins vs. Templars. We can draw a rather clear parallel to Assassins Creed 3, where the purported conflict of Connor is Assassins vs. Templars and the background conflict is the Colonial Rebellions, but thus far we've seen no evidence of this being the case. At all. All the press demos, the trailers, the screenshots, indicate that the background conflict and primary conflict of our protagonist are one and the same cut across the lines of American Assassins vs. British Templars.

You see why some people may have a problem?

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Second, a person of Native American descent would have equal reasons to hate the British and colonists. Yet, there were many situations, historically, where Native Americans did not hate the colonists. There was a great divide among the various Native American tribes, some fought on the side of the Colonists, other on the side of the loyalists. Also, with a name like Connors, he is not specifically Native American, he is a mix. His name sake is Irish, who historically have had plenty of reason to hate and despise the British.
He's indeed a mix - half-British, half-Native American. From the Assassin's Creed wikia [http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Connor_Kenway]:

Born to a British father and Mohawk mother, Ratonhnhaké:ton was raised among his mother's tribe. He suffered severely during his childhood, largely from the tribe's encounters with European colonists; a conflict that reached its peak when his village was destroyed by a colonial force.
Connor was raised Native American, had a British father and had his home village destroyed by Colonists. "Connor" isn't even his real name. He took it later on. He had no reason to side with the Colonists given his history. If they don't address this it'll be an enormous mis-step


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Once again, no proof is given that it's not even handed. Such statements can't even be argued till someone has played the game. You know nothing about the game, as I know nothing about the game. All we have seen is a handful of action shots. But regardless of the outcome, the broad spectrum anti american sentiment caused by this is what annoys me.
We know some of the game - they've given press demos. All of which focused on killing British people. The Kotaku article linked above indicates as such.
 

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"I will fight the enemy, regardless of their allegiance" [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EiVJG_mrtFo#t=38s]

Yeah, that sounds one-sided.
 

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Oh dear God a trailer released on American Independence Day that's clearly advertising a game made in Canada by a French company to Americans is pandering to a romantic American view of the American Revolution. How unexpected! Remember when they advertised all those Christians and Chosen People of God you were going to kill in the first Assassin's Creed? No? Huh, me neither. Why didn't I hear all the Russians crying about Cally of Duty: Let's Kill Some Ruskies, or whatever. Get some thicker skin, Brits. Yes we know it sucks that having a tiny land mass means you can only be a ghost of the mighty empire you used to be, but I think it's time to get over it.

captcha: move along
Having a small landmass did nothing to stop the English from creating a massive empire so why would it have caused the collapse of that very same empire?

I'm also a little confused by Christians and chosen people of god line. Aren't they the same thing in much the same way that Muslims are also the chosen people of god etc.

I'm not sure about you but the only vid Ive seen of a Russian man and call of duty combined was that very same Russian man filling his copy of the game with bullet holes.
After WWII there was a massive decolonization movement that granted independence to most of Britain's empire, leaving what's left almost laughably small by comparison. Being a small island doesn't matter when you're free to run about conquering whatever you think would look good on your map, but since that's no longer the case, then no more mighty empire for you.

Actually one of the big points of contrast between Christianity and Judaism or Islam is that the Christians don't believe people are chosen by god but rather that it is a personal choice. Ubisoft made a point of calling it 'The Holy Land' and not Israel or Palestine. Just like they made a point of having the people call themselves 'The chosen people of god' and not Muslims.

I guess there are just fewer Russians to complain at my usual Internet haunts. Also I didn't follow any of the news fo the CoD franchise, so that could explain why I never noticed.
Just goes to show stuff I don't know about religion
Also I'm Australian - a large island and still technically a part of the empire though I'm not sure why
 

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LoL, you are really hung up on this. There is no reason to assume that it's not even handed based on anything that has been seen. The conflict that has been going on since long before this game is obviously the main point of the game. And as in previous installments, the game is framed against other more overt conflicts. There are as always, two sides to the war. You folks are just really hung up on it being from the perspective of the colonists. As for this:

Connor was raised Native American, had a British father and had his home village destroyed by Colonists. "Connor" isn't even his real name. He took it later on. He had no reason to side with the Colonists given his history. If they don't address this it'll be an enormous mis-step.
You are making my point. No one knows about how the game plays out. You are basing it off of speculation and nothing else. You have seen some pictures and assume to know more about the game than you possibly could. Your statement demonstrates how little any of us know about it.
 

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still looking forward to play this game. and i think i read somewhere here that you will be killing americans as well, not just british. but they sure show a lot of brits getting killed so far.

regarding the kid. it sounds stupid i agree, but i guess he wanted to say that the future will change, so why believe in the past if it will be totally irrelevant if the british win.
 

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lol Ubisoft is a French company and the game's made by French Canadians...
the French sure didn't have any love for the British during that time period, but they're sure doing a good job getting the Brits pissed off at Americans right now hahaha

I do wonder if the ads were headed by Americans though, cuz that would be less amusing and more...heh embarrassing tbh

(I mean no offense to anyone though really. just in case, cuz ppl are getting rather touchy)
 

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Vkmies said:
I agree with the many other commentors. This game seems to take an awful amount of sides. Yes, they have said how neutral the game will be, but so far all the trailers have been awfully littered with Red-Coat bodies. I am not taking sides myself, being scandinavian, but this doesn't look very 'neutral' to me.
Vkmies said:
snagli said:
Now to hope there's an alternate ending in which the British win. Realism? History? Screw that.

DUDE! That would be the best ending ever. All this "Let's kill the Brits"-bullshit. All this rage. All the boners of overly patriotic Americans. Then, you spend the game killing the British, being all "THis is not racist 'cause I'm an indian, but USA WOOO", then the last scene, where suddenly, the Brits start fucking shit up.

Blam, Americans dead. Blam, Assasins done. End credits. Good night everybody!

The twist of a lifetime. I would send Ubisoft all my money, just as a thank-you.
LOL for the unexpected and daringly creative twist, right? or the less-than-neutral killing Americans part? :p
(and no, my ancestors were no where near the Revolutionary War... doing much less interesting things I presume sighhhh)

ANYwayy, I'm still hoping to see more ads focusing on Mister Mohawk. hope that does mean he's a more neutral character because that would explain why the ads haven't toted him as highly (less controversy means less people raging thus less publicity)
 

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I don't understand why people are complaining about killing the British, since unless i had the worst history teacher ever, i am pretty sure the American Colonists, are still British. Until the "Americans" win the war, everyone in the colonies are still British colonists. It is impossible to kill Americans until they win the war.
 

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Dude.
It was a trailer. Just one. There will be more. It was specifically out for the fourth of July. OF COURSE IT WAS FOR THE AMERICANS. I can expect to see a trailer for the British.
Dude.
You realise there's been 2 other trailers of the new protagonist killing redcoats and none with him killing colonists?
charge52 said:
I don't understand why people are complaining about killing the British, since unless i had the worst history teacher ever, i am pretty sure the American Colonists, are still British. Until the "Americans" win the war, everyone in the colonies are still British colonists. It is impossible to kill Americans until they win the war.
Well done for your use of semantics. I think you know what everyone means though...
 

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Clearly we're getting a lot of snark over this game, and I can't argue against it.
Anyone up for a counteradvertising campaign, "Assassin's Creed: Stars and Stripes edition?" Though if we did that, they get free advertising...
 

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United States-
Population: 312 million
Percentage of population that plays video games: 72%

United Kingdom:
Population: 62 million
Percentage of population that plays video games: 73%

Its Marketing people not Anti-Brit hate.

And besides the British were the bad guys, after you increased the taxes on a bunch of stuff what were we supposed to do pay them. No, a revolution was the most obvious choice.
 

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pffftttt hahahaha ubisoft your really taking this whole the "British aren't the enemy the templars are" thing really seriously I mean for god sakes this game is getting more and more into american masturbation material with every announcement.
Actually us Americans masturbate to pornography, not saluting our flag with one hand and doing you-know-what with the other.
 

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NewYork_Comedian said:
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I wonder how they will handle "The Boston Massacre" in the game. If they do it the way it is shown in Paul Revere's picture my blood will boil. That should be one of the shades-of-grey moments in the game but from the vibes I get from the trailers i doubt it will.
From what I remember in history class colonists were throwing rocks and one of the British soldier's guns went off by accident and then the rest started shooting.

So the person whose gun "went off" was a Templar. No way they'll skip that chance for a conspiracy.
What I meant was how the founding fathers took advantage of this and made propaganda out of it by calling it a massacre, that the British attacked for no reason when in reality the colonists started it.
Aha, yes, but that implies they weren't in control of it from the beginning.


On a more on topic note, it's a perfectly valid concern that your country is being portrayed falsely and in a negative light, and I can understand how it can be unnerving to some British people. It's another thing entirely to be utterly butt-devastated over a live action trailer, which I'm seeing a lot of.
Probably my favorite from this thread:
Well I won't be buying this blatant piece of anti-British propaganda..... Its not even subtle anymore, no matter what Ubisoft say....
Yeah, no, blatant propaganda, that's totally what's going on here. I'm not even sure if you're being serious right now.
 

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Baresark said:
CaptainMarvelous said:
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Haha, the comments in this thread are among the funniest I have seen. They released that trailer yesterday because it was Independence Day in America. People on the internet can be really really thick headed when it comes to Anti-American sentiment.

I don't know why people are having such a hard time dealing with this trailer. It's a game trailer. Last time I checked, this doesn't mimic real life in any form, nor does it advertise itself as a history lesson.
The Ass Creed games have always been pretty even handed in how they portray their characters and factions; those loosely based on real world counterparts anyway. This is why all the publicity for this game comes over badly, because even handed it is not.

I'm not overly bothered, I don't buy new Ubisoft games for my PC, but when I do eventually pick up my used console copy I'd like it to have a decent story; not be some American Patriot's fantasy wank off material.
My main problem with this assessment is that it's not uneven as far as we know. We don't know much of anything about how the game plays out, only that it's from the perspective of the colonists. We have not seen anything that depicts it unevenly. This ad was the closest, but it was clearly aimed at American audiences who were celebrating Independence Day. People are freaking out about this and using it as an excuse for wide spectrum anti-american sentiment, and it's just kind of pathetic that people are freaking over a game we don't know anything about. All the pictures of ingame footage have been mostly battlefields, and last time I checked, they didn't benefit anyone in particular. Also, to point out the obvious, this game is created by a French company. American's don't have any say at all the advertising routes the company takes.
Or to put it another way, in every released example of footage be it in game or cinematic has had the protagonist killing Redcoats and helping colonists. If we're basing our opinion on what we've seen, it's very f*cking uneven and it's getting harder and harder to take Ubisoft's word for it that it won't be.
You're just finding excuses to be argumentative. The character is a patriot. In the first game Altaire was a Muslim and the major villains were Christians, but no one found fault with that. There are two sides to every conflict, I just don't understand why you folks are so upset about this. Would you rather have the main character be a British Loyalist and trying to overthrow the creation of the American Republic? I wouldn't have a problem like that, but the game is meant to very loosely follow history. And I mean very loosely. If there was no conflict, there would be no game. If they had done a game based around the Japanese occupation of China in 1931, and all the scenes were of an Assassin character killing Japanese, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Or even if we reversed it where it were a Japanese Assassin killing Chinese, you would still be fine with it. You wouldn't be insulted because it was not even handed.
Right, a few major problems here. First of all, he's a patriot who is described as often as they can as "Half British/Half Cherokee", The Cherokee weren't on the side of the American revolution they were on the British side as were the British, he's given a cool ethnic backstory which is thrown out so he can kill Redcoats (inaccuracy the first). Altair killed both Christians and Muslims, perhaps most importantly, the marketting didn't have him running around killing Christians claiming it was a justified Muslim crusade to stamp out the oppressive Christian regime. Or, in short, they did SHOW both sides. This shows one side. It is very one-sided in all released footage, and if you want to argue that you are just not watching them.

I also take issue with "I'd be fine if it was reversed" because I doubt you would. It never happens that a game shows the Americans as the bad guys, and if there was one where, say, you play as a Vietcong soldier fighting Americans and all the demos/footage for it showed the Americans as child-murdering, rapists and the Vietnamese side as finding for freedom and liberation from the evil American Empire, I suspect you'd be annoyed by it. Finally, if they had a game set in 1931 about the Chinese-Japanese occupation, I would still prefer they do it even-handedly by showing both sides! I'm not greatly informed about the time period but from what I imagine, that one enormous massacre which is still a giant issue between the two countries would be interesting if thrown in a Templar/Assassin light.

People don't care (well, most people) that it's an american war of independence game where you play as an American. We care that Ubisoft has taken every opportunity to lie about it and say things like "Oh, he's British"/Fights only Redcoats "We're not picking sides"/Fights only Redcoats "You'll kill Americans too"/FIGHTS ONLY REDCOATS. It's because they keep saying it'll be even-handed the THIS stuff comes out where it's "Rise up and cast off the oppresive regime!" In short, not even handed. Which is only annoying because AC1-2 at least made an effort. The game might well show both sides, but it's getting f*cking hard to believe that from the marketing.
 

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duchaked said:
Vkmies said:
I agree with the many other commentors. This game seems to take an awful amount of sides. Yes, they have said how neutral the game will be, but so far all the trailers have been awfully littered with Red-Coat bodies. I am not taking sides myself, being scandinavian, but this doesn't look very 'neutral' to me.
Vkmies said:
snagli said:
Now to hope there's an alternate ending in which the British win. Realism? History? Screw that.

DUDE! That would be the best ending ever. All this "Let's kill the Brits"-bullshit. All this rage. All the boners of overly patriotic Americans. Then, you spend the game killing the British, being all "THis is not racist 'cause I'm an indian, but USA WOOO", then the last scene, where suddenly, the Brits start fucking shit up.

Blam, Americans dead. Blam, Assasins done. End credits. Good night everybody!

The twist of a lifetime. I would send Ubisoft all my money, just as a thank-you.
LOL for the unexpected and daringly creative twist, right? or the less-than-neutral killing Americans part? :p
(and no, my ancestors were no where near the Revolutionary War... doing much less interesting things I presume sighhhh)

ANYwayy, I'm still hoping to see more ads focusing on Mister Mohawk. hope that does mean he's a more neutral character because that would explain why the ads haven't toted him as highly (less controversy means less people raging thus less publicity)
Well, there is that one trailer, where Mr. Mohawk walks trhough the army of the colonies, runs towards the red-coats and slaughters a good few dozen of them. Not sure if there is one where the blood comes from the blues. Really, the marketing division of Ubi is dropping the ball here. If I was them, after telling people how neutral the game would've been, I would be very careful with the trailers. One killing blues, another killing reds. I think they could save it best, if they would release this same kind of trailer from POV of the blues.