Yeah, to me, the only mistake they made was leaving the ASCII code in there, it works, it was used against them, so what the hell, so long as it was tested to make sure it was virus and malware free beforehand I've got no problem with this at all.
Rockstar Sold Max Payne 2 Using Pirated Code
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You know...the pirates are gonna have themselves a GOOD...LONG...HARD...LAUGH when they hear this news.
It kind of shows the hypocrisy about piracy nicely too I guess. Oh sure it's bad, so long as it affects your game (though frankly some would argue its effects are more positive than negative when it comes to generating publicity), but if it means less work for us hey - it ain't that bad, right?
Pahahahahah...sorry. Too funny.
It kind of shows the hypocrisy about piracy nicely too I guess. Oh sure it's bad, so long as it affects your game (though frankly some would argue its effects are more positive than negative when it comes to generating publicity), but if it means less work for us hey - it ain't that bad, right?
Pahahahahah...sorry. Too funny.
The real question on everyone's mind: Does it matter?
I mean, they just took a cracked version that was stolen from them in the first place and used it instead of paying people and doing hard work to release the game again. It makes sense really. And besides, who cares about pirates? They're just thieves.
I mean, they just took a cracked version that was stolen from them in the first place and used it instead of paying people and doing hard work to release the game again. It makes sense really. And besides, who cares about pirates? They're just thieves.
I guess what I'd love to know more than anything else is why Rockstar didn't just have a copy of the game without the DRM in it. Surely they didn't use DRM'd copies of the game for internal testing, right? That would be a pain in the ass to work with.
Looking at it from a certain point of view, Rockstar just made free money from their sales of Max Payne 2 on Steam, since it was product they didn't incorporate themselves for distribution. From a certain point of view.
So what are they going to do, sue? It's was not only illegal in the first place but they were distibuting it for free. If they want to complain Rockstar could just sue them to hell, right?WitherVoice said:
Actually, this isn't a bad idea...
Rockstar gets to test pre-made code, saving time and money.
If Myth steps up and sues, they'll need to provide their names - which would allow R* to send the lawyers in after them and counter-sue for pirated software.
About all Myth gets is some scene-cred.
Rockstar gets to test pre-made code, saving time and money.
If Myth steps up and sues, they'll need to provide their names - which would allow R* to send the lawyers in after them and counter-sue for pirated software.
About all Myth gets is some scene-cred.
Someone go wake the Rockstar guys up from their druken stupor and make them do some acual work. While you're at it, get them to make a real Grand Thief Auto game, not, as a webcomic artist once put it, 'The Sims: Automat Kalishnicov Edition'.
OT: Nothing wrong with pirating from pirates. Thats why it's cool to steal from theives. No one will care.
OT: Nothing wrong with pirating from pirates. Thats why it's cool to steal from theives. No one will care.
Rockstar lazy... no way. May be they kept gta III config files in Bully, it was kind of weird to see rocket launcher and minigun next to fire crackers and slingshots... Or plane stats in gta IV... well the only planes that gta Iv has are treated in the program as object and not vehicles....
Ok they are lazy coders but never pirates, they only make tributes... like in vice city, that was a tribute to miami vice and... errr... meh, never mind.
Ok they are lazy coders but never pirates, they only make tributes... like in vice city, that was a tribute to miami vice and... errr... meh, never mind.
That isn't entirely logical.psrdirector said:
Code is intellectual property, and while it is true that mythic would never sue over use of their code, the legal system doesn't really recognise two wrongs making a right.
If rockstar sued mythic, mythic would probably lose. If mythic counter-sued, mythic would probably lose, however it's such an odd position they have put themselves into, there is no real way of knowing exactly how the case would pan out.
Imagine if I released harry potter book one, except I added 4 paragraphs randomly somewhere. J.K. Rowling could sue me, and would certainly win, however if she then re-released the book with my 4 paragraphs included, I think I would have quite a good case to sue her back.
This is a very similar circumstance, mythic's code is their intellectual property, the code itself is not illegal, it's what it was used to do that is shady.
What the post you quoted was effectively saying was, and I agree to an extent, that if rockstar sues any game cracking groups again, they are being hipocritical, as they themselves used someone elses code, breaking IP laws.
Wasn't aimed at Myth being the copyright holders of the code Rockstar used. Was aimed at Rockstar making money off pirated software. Any court will tell you circumventing copy protecting using reverse engineered code is illegal.psrdirector said:
The code, apparently, was a NoCD crack. I use NoCD cracks all the time, on my legally bought games; the code is made to circumvent a critical flaw of the software, not "to steal". But that's another debate. Anyway, the crack is not freeware unless it is licensed as such. A fair analogy might be a user creating a video and uploading it to YouTube. Granted, it's free for people to look at all they want, but if someone takes that video, puts it on a CD and sells it, he is still violating the law.Akalistos said:
In that case, it's simple. The code of the crack is property of Myth.sabbat said:
I don't know about Square Enix, but with Blizzard, no. Blizzard often incorporate fan works and mods into their games, but they still have to CREATE said themselves, using said works as inspiration. The exception is contests and competition where the submitted works are specifically said to become the property of the contest holder.KingPiccolOwned said:
If I write a small program that opens the game's executable, flips every 0 to 1 and every 1 to 0, I've created a program that modifies the executable. Who owns that program? I'll tell you who owns it. ME. What Myth did is make a program that does selective, targeted changes. They own it. They may not have any right to use it, but legally the DO OWN IT.
I already said that I don't fancy it being particularly enforceable. Rockstar could sue all they want, but like it or not, they wouldn't be likely to get very far with it; it'd be an excruciatingly long and horrid case with no useful end result. Myth's case is better, in that regard, because unless a license exists that ALLOWS Rockstar to use the code commercially, they are not allowed to do it.Silver Patriot said:
However, if Rockstar were to ask Myth if they could use the code, the only appropriate response from Myth would be "Yes, you can use it, we appreciate you asking, just put us in the end credits of it".