There is no way I'm getting it if I can't take a game to a friends place and have fun there. I think its just a rumor but if its true then I'm going to be annoyed.
Rumor: Next Xbox Will Feature Blu-ray, Anti-Used Games System
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This is an absolute load of bull. They would sooner convert to digital download only before trying to come up with hardware that won't play anything that's not fresh from the assembly line.
It'd get mod'ed out by the community in a heartbeat, and they know it.
It'd get mod'ed out by the community in a heartbeat, and they know it.
The anti-used game system could be online based if they included a 3G satellite link in the system, that's how Amazon implements DRM for the kindle.
Rememeber, Microsoft was the first company to require internet activation for a major software product (Windows XP). We all fought it back then, but I doubt many of us is using Windows 2000 or earlier. Similarly people say they will fight a console with online activations, but eventually they'll give in just like PC users already have.
Rememeber, Microsoft was the first company to require internet activation for a major software product (Windows XP). We all fought it back then, but I doubt many of us is using Windows 2000 or earlier. Similarly people say they will fight a console with online activations, but eventually they'll give in just like PC users already have.
This makes sense if they are trying to get consumers on board with digital distribution and move away from physical discs. Make the digital copies cheaper than physical ones and used ones unusable to further the transition along.
That being said, an anti-used games system would be a major impediment to me buying the next Xbox. Region codes already infuriate me; this is one-step too far.
That being said, an anti-used games system would be a major impediment to me buying the next Xbox. Region codes already infuriate me; this is one-step too far.
Addition of Blu-Ray: To be expected, though part of me would have thought they'd come up with their own formaat so they don't have to fork cash out to Sony.
Unable to play pre-owned games: As a PC Gamer, and as such haven't had a pre-owned market for well over a decade, this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. With the majority of consoles being connected to the internet nowadays, I'd guess they'll expand on the "Project $10" idea and make each game have a code you use to either download the activation data from the server or to lock the code to your XBL Account and you can't play till you enter a valid code.
Unable to play pre-owned games: As a PC Gamer, and as such haven't had a pre-owned market for well over a decade, this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. With the majority of consoles being connected to the internet nowadays, I'd guess they'll expand on the "Project $10" idea and make each game have a code you use to either download the activation data from the server or to lock the code to your XBL Account and you can't play till you enter a valid code.
Because if gamestop, which stands for about 75% of the game sales in my country, goes out of business, then they suddenly have far less places to sell their games, which in return will lead to reduced sales?Dexter111 said:
My biggest issue with this is that it means I can't borrow games from my friends, or, more importantly, play my own games splitscreen with my friends if we're not at my place. If I wanted to play my copy of hypothetical Hyper Street Fighter 4 Arcade HD Edition Turbo Remix(which it'll probably be at that point) when I'm at one of my friends' place, then, well, sucks to be me, cause I can't.
Not a chance in hell Microsoft will drop used game support. Whatever profits would be gained from additional sales of consumers who primarily bought used in the past would be lost multiple times over from the numerous downsides. Gamestop and other similar stores would likely refuse to carry either the system or games. Rental outlets would no longer be buying games for obvious reasons. On top of all that there would be a grossly large number of people who wouldn't buy it strictly because of the lack of used game support.
Beyond the lost sales logistically it's also a nightmare. If you bind the games to particular machine then you have your customers losing their entire game library if their hardware gets broken, lost, or stolen. If you bind the games to an account you alienate a large chunk of your would be customers without an internet connection. There is simply no good way to incorporate it that's viable.
Furthermore, if you want to see what happens when used games are removed from the picture you need only look at the sad state of PC gaming. When people are stuck with what they buy they often times either buy only titles they are 100% sure of. PC gaming is a shell of what the console market currently is because the PC gamer avoids full price titles at all costs and relies heavily on sales. Then add to all that the increased rate of piracy. That would be the road ahead if used game sales were taken away.
The bottom line is that implementing a means of removing used game support is a horrible move and not a move we are likely to see anytime soon, if at all. This type of move would be the very definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. While I don't think it would kill the market outright I do think it would be a plainly massive step backwards for the gaming industry and one where any gains would be deeply overshadowed by massive losses.
Beyond the lost sales logistically it's also a nightmare. If you bind the games to particular machine then you have your customers losing their entire game library if their hardware gets broken, lost, or stolen. If you bind the games to an account you alienate a large chunk of your would be customers without an internet connection. There is simply no good way to incorporate it that's viable.
Furthermore, if you want to see what happens when used games are removed from the picture you need only look at the sad state of PC gaming. When people are stuck with what they buy they often times either buy only titles they are 100% sure of. PC gaming is a shell of what the console market currently is because the PC gamer avoids full price titles at all costs and relies heavily on sales. Then add to all that the increased rate of piracy. That would be the road ahead if used game sales were taken away.
The bottom line is that implementing a means of removing used game support is a horrible move and not a move we are likely to see anytime soon, if at all. This type of move would be the very definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. While I don't think it would kill the market outright I do think it would be a plainly massive step backwards for the gaming industry and one where any gains would be deeply overshadowed by massive losses.
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It's a troller's paradise.
OT: As I said in another thread, no used games, no new Xbox for me.
In my opinion then, Sony won the console war between the PS3 and Xbox 360.
As Sony was a lead developer of the Blu Ray standard and Patten Holder for BluRay technology.
Yes I know the Blu Ray association made up from all the companies and organizations that help to contribute to it develop the tech handles licensing, but last I check Patten Rights can only belong to 1 individual (not a company or Organization) and that person is a Sony Employee.
I only purchase a Xbox 360 for Exclusives any ways, none of them being Halo.
Half of those games are Dreamcast ports.
Yeah, I'm filing that under 'bullshit.' I mean really, if that were true then a game could only be played once then by any definition it becomes "used," doesn't it?
Next gen kind of worries me.
I would like to think the whole anti used game thing was rubbish, but it is how steam gets stuff done. However I highly doubt Xbox will price their games to reflect that. What are they going to do sell all the games at 39.99 so people don't rage when they buy a crap game.
For me at least the used game was a price appropriate offering that let me pay what I wanted to get a game and then its DLC for a reasonable price, Which is not the fresh, plastic wrapped new game on the shelf price.
And as an off topic note, with the norm going up to blu ray we as gamers might need to look into dealing with cable companies stuck in the early 2000's who thinks 60 gbs is the mid high usage cable package for a month *cough* Rogers *cough*. Or else what you download the content maxing game of 2014 and go now everyone don't use the internet for a month
I would like to think the whole anti used game thing was rubbish, but it is how steam gets stuff done. However I highly doubt Xbox will price their games to reflect that. What are they going to do sell all the games at 39.99 so people don't rage when they buy a crap game.
For me at least the used game was a price appropriate offering that let me pay what I wanted to get a game and then its DLC for a reasonable price, Which is not the fresh, plastic wrapped new game on the shelf price.
And as an off topic note, with the norm going up to blu ray we as gamers might need to look into dealing with cable companies stuck in the early 2000's who thinks 60 gbs is the mid high usage cable package for a month *cough* Rogers *cough*. Or else what you download the content maxing game of 2014 and go now everyone don't use the internet for a month
My main concern isn't that Microsoft might introduce some used-game-protection (UGP) into the system - it's that if they do, Sony and Nintendo are likely to see it and think "I want a piece of that" and implement their own.
You could argue that Sony and Nintendo wouldn't implement UGP as they recognise that NOT having it makes sales of their own consoles more likely amongst second-hand gamers and that they would just look on as customers deserted the Xbox 720 platform.
And they might hold back, for a while. They might wait just long enough for the Xbox 720 to be dead in the water but sooner or later the idea will catch on. Nintendo and Sony despise used-game sales and they're just as keen as Microsoft to stamp them out - if that requires shafting the consumer again, so be it. What are we going to do - Stop playing games?
You could argue that Sony and Nintendo wouldn't implement UGP as they recognise that NOT having it makes sales of their own consoles more likely amongst second-hand gamers and that they would just look on as customers deserted the Xbox 720 platform.
And they might hold back, for a while. They might wait just long enough for the Xbox 720 to be dead in the water but sooner or later the idea will catch on. Nintendo and Sony despise used-game sales and they're just as keen as Microsoft to stamp them out - if that requires shafting the consumer again, so be it. What are we going to do - Stop playing games?