Samus's new kicks

[UberGott]

Can you, in anyway tell me any advantage she has with these heels over salvaging her boots from her power armor? They're preequipped with double/higher jumping, are made of metal and can kick harder, and don't have the negative effects of heels: Lower grip, higher risk of breaking an ankle, lower balance.

Good question: Come to think of it, can the Power Suit be worn piecemeal at all? I know it's bio-mechanical in nature, but can those pieces work individually with the wearer, or is it an all or nothing affair? If that's the case, wearing just the metal shell without the connective biological feedback would just be strapping heavy metal boots, lowering agility and potentially putting a lot of strain on her knees.

Don't get me wrong, I really dig that sketch and I wouldn't have complained if Nintendo had done something similar. We both knopw the "real" reason she's not wearing any part of the Power Armor is because it undermines Nintendo's stance that "Zero Suit Samus" and "Power Suit Samus" are different playable characters. After all, if Zero Suit Samus wore the boots, why not the blaster? And at that point, what obvious difference does she have from the Power Armor Samus from either a design or a play-style standpoint? It'd literally just be Samus with her body exposed, and that would feel like rather shameless pandering by comparison, rather than giving players more canonical options.

Besides, we're ultimately arguing about the practicality of rocket boots. In a franchise where Kirby can fight Solid Snake. Don't know if this is a fight either side can really win.

 

[mecegirl]

The fighting in her under armor thing is stupid. It's right in the name... under armor. Its what you wear under your armor to help keep you warm, pad your armor out, and protect your skin from the rough metal. It shouldn't be weaponized at all.

Well obviously. I just said I know why it was included.
It was included because people wanted to look at Samus without her armour on.

And maybe if I'm feeling generous because they wanted to show it wasn't just the suit that made Samus awesome but yeah I think we all know why it was put in.

True. I mean the skintight suit isn't really the problem, it was the way it was marketed.


And to all in the thread can't we just agree that those heels are ugly? I mean, they really are ugly. Maybe with a different overall design they could work but they just don't look good on the Zero suit. If Nintendo really wants the keep them they need to order the the chracter designer to give it a few more passes.

 

[WarpZone]

Why high heels? Because Other M, silly!

She actually has more sensible combat boots, but a man didn't authorize her to equip them!

 

[Shadowstar38]

Can you, in anyway tell me any advantage she has with these heels over salvaging her boots from her power armor? They're preequipped with double/higher jumping, are made of metal and can kick harder, and don't have the negative effects of heels: Lower grip, higher risk of breaking an ankle, lower balance.

If the rest of the power armor isn't working for whatever reason, I'd posit she couldn't materialize the boots either.

Also, I doubt futuristic space heels work the same as regular ones. So we don't know if those negative effects even apply.

Let's go by that logic and say they're more advanced and overcome those shortcomings ...

Would these systems put in place to counter act said problems be taking up space better suited for other functions? Then the overall smaller volume to put components into them be worse off than say ...boots?

Yes it's nerdy stuff but I watch star trek dammit so this technobabble nonsense intrigues me.

There's no benefit, it just seems to be girls wear heels, clock out Johnson the designer, work day over!

The heels would still certainly weigh less than boots, which is a plus since I'm guessing the Zero suit version is about speed over firepower. And I'd rather get kicked with a boot than those things. Having the force of a blow consentrated on that spike would cause some damage.

But at the end of the day, you can see from her mid kick stance that these are suppose to serve as some kind of weapon, and an upgrade to make up for her lack of power armor. The talk of male pandering involved in some of these posts is kind of ridiculous sense as far as I can see its not there to be sexy.

 

[Someone Depressing]

Unlike other Nintendo Protagonists, Samus was at the least a character in a sense, not neccesarily any specific sense. She is determined, brave, and more able from probably any other man who could possibly replace her. She didn't have much dialougue, but honestly, who's there to talk to? This only reinforces her image of a person strong enough to resist going batshit crazy on a planet full of strange creatures that want to kill her.

Say what you will about Other M, but in a way it diminished the character; she turned into a Damsel in Distress occasionaly, but just infrequently to keep her image of a badass at least slightly intact.

Except you played as Samus.

In a way, I think this is going to do the same. [sub]And they're really fucking ugly.[/sub]

 

[Chaos James]

When it comes to Zero Suit Samus (mainly the SSB4 version), I tend to dislike other aspects of her design, like the "beauty" mark or vacuum-sealed breasts, but that is sort of a subjective thing for the most part.

Anyways, while I do find heels to be silly for any combat-capable person, I tend to mind them less when they serve a purpose.

-They reminded me of Bayonetta first and foremost, and while some may see that as bad (the comparison came because Bayonetta 2 being a Wii U exclusive), the titular character had guns strapped to her heels for combat.

-Chell, of Portal's fame, used fall-reduction footwear that was very heel-like, and if this boots are suppose to deal with long falls when she is sans-suit, then that is a good thing.

-Raiden, while being a male example, still shows combat heels being useful, in this case to hold is blade for his crazy sword combos.

So, with those examples in my mind, I'm more dismissive of Samus' combat heels, especially since I figure the design is further styled for the rocket capabilities of them. Besides, with them worn on top of her Zero Suit, and the fact she doesn't transform in SSB4, I feel like they were a back-up option for her going Power Suit-less.

inb4 SSB4's story mode (if there is one) has ZSSamus going to a scientist to get some Stun Gun/Whip and being handed the boots with a "you're kidding me" look on her face and being stuck with them, XD.

 

[debtcollector]

Yes, let us look to Smash Bros. for the most realistic and grounded portrayal of women in video games.

Who cares? Zero-Suit Samus was already the most pandering character in the roster anyway, do a pair of heels really turn her into some sort of shameless hussy? Yes, they're ugly, and yes, they don't add anything to the design, but for fuck's sake, it's one character in a fighting game. Don't make it into a crusade.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

why am i losing my time with a social justice warrior? believe what you want, but let me tell you, theres no reason for kratos to not wear any sort of armor either, or atleast a t-shirt an some pants


im sure theres sexism in gaming, there is in every other media as well, but you couldnt have picked a worse example

also i literally cant see her ass in OP's image, in fact as a male i find this outrageous, im gonna tell the patriarchy!

You lose credibility when you open your argument with name calling. Also a worse example? How is the addition of high heels to a suit that she is supposed to wear while interfacing with her power armor for no logical reason other than she is a woman and high heels are attractive NOT an example of sexism? And the rocket boots aren't a good justification, because as I said in an earlier post, Haloid managed to make more respectable rocket boots than that, and that ended with a sexy dance!

i shouldnt have called him names, regardless its not the high heels, which i agree are out of place, but his criticism of the zero suit itself, which honestly are getting ridiculous, are women now not allowed to show any part of her body for any reasn whatsoever?

that the kind of attitude that really annoys me

specially when the same rule doesnt seem to apply to men

He isn't criticizing the design for it simply being sexualized, he is criticizing it for being sexualized and it making no sense at all within the context of the suit and clashing with the tone of the Metroid universe and that is the problem with so many instances of sexualizes characters. The characters of RWBY are sexualized, but it works, why? Because it fits with the tone of the RWBY universe. Bayonetta is sexualized, but it works, why? Because it fits with the overall goofy nature of her world and the sexually dominant nature of her personality. Poison Ivy is sexualized, but it works, why? Because her approach to problems involves seducing men and therefore it would make sense that she dresses skimpily. Samus having high heels when she is a professional career bounty hunter in a consistently serious setting where no one else dresses like that makes no sense whatsoever. THAT is what is pissing people off.

no, for the second time, he critized the zero suit altogether, a completely legit part of the metroid lore


the heels, sure they are silly, you agree, i agree, nothing really to discuss there

 

[Erttheking]

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Ah, my bad. I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

First thought: yeah, the heels are silly.

Second thought: ROCKET stilettos. FUCK YES. Catwoman ain't got shit on weaponized footwear.

It's just a silly little addition in an already silly series.

 

[loa]

no, for the second time, he critized the zero suit altogether, a completely legit part of the metroid lore


the heels, sure they are silly, you agree, i agree, nothing really to discuss there

The heels are just a continuation of the same concept which shines an even clearer light on its intent to those who are still willingly blind enough to need it.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Uh... wow. I guess they really wanted Chell in there but couldn't get the rights?

That was my first impression too...

Give Samus her suit boots if you really want to boost her kicks. -.-

 

[Vault101]

Conversely, I look at a girl wearing high heels like they're retarded.

What is wrong with a good pair of sneakers? Oh but I'm just a simple man, I suppose.

sneakers are not good formal wear....unfortunately

its easy to mock people for something when your not held to the same standard

 

[Snotnarok]

Can you, in anyway tell me any advantage she has with these heels over salvaging her boots from her power armor? They're preequipped with double/higher jumping, are made of metal and can kick harder, and don't have the negative effects of heels: Lower grip, higher risk of breaking an ankle, lower balance.

If the rest of the power armor isn't working for whatever reason, I'd posit she couldn't materialize the boots either.

Also, I doubt futuristic space heels work the same as regular ones. So we don't know if those negative effects even apply.

Let's go by that logic and say they're more advanced and overcome those shortcomings ...

Would these systems put in place to counter act said problems be taking up space better suited for other functions? Then the overall smaller volume to put components into them be worse off than say ...boots?

Yes it's nerdy stuff but I watch star trek dammit so this technobabble nonsense intrigues me.

There's no benefit, it just seems to be girls wear heels, clock out Johnson the designer, work day over!

The heels would still certainly weigh less than boots, which is a plus since I'm guessing the Zero suit version is about speed over firepower. And I'd rather get kicked with a boot than those things. Having the force of a blow consentrated on that spike would cause some damage.

But at the end of the day, you can see from her mid kick stance that these are suppose to serve as some kind of weapon, and an upgrade to make up for her lack of power armor. The talk of male pandering involved in some of these posts is kind of ridiculous sense as far as I can see its not there to be sexy.

Considering the boots are chozo tech, above and beyond anyone else by a considerable margin and when fully equipped armored allow her to jump over 20 feet in the air, I don't think the heels regardless of their developer is gonna compete armor wise/ ability wise. Many seem to boast the "spike" with heels but I kinda fear 50 pound armored boots being swung around at great speeds more with someone like samus apparently.

Ehhh I think they are there to be sexy, it's just a matter of derpy design. Because honestly? They could have made some form of raised heels that would have worked, if the heels were far far thicker and that thicker heel was positionable as in it aimed itself and that was a jet? Uhhhh, well that COULD really be defended much easier than the nerf guns she has now.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Conversely, I look at a girl wearing high heels like they're retarded.

What is wrong with a good pair of sneakers? Oh but I'm just a simple man, I suppose.

sneakers are not good formal wear....unfortunately

its easy to mock people for something when your not held to the same standard

Sand shoes were good enough for the tenth Doctor, then theyre good enough for you!

In all seriousness, I'm just sick of ladies wearing shoes that hurt because they look nice. It's like spending 400 dollars on a pocketbook because it says COACH on it or whatever. It makes no sense.

 

[EHKOS]

I'm getting a failed Bayonetta vibe here. I suppose they were meant to make some of her move pool more diverse, but yeah, I can agree they look ugly and out of place.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Considering the boots are chozo tech, above and beyond anyone else by a considerable margin and when fully equipped armored allow her to jump over 20 feet in the air, I don't think the heels regardless of their developer is gonna compete armor wise/ ability wise. Many seem to boast the "spike" with heels but I kinda fear 50 pound armored boots being swung around at great speeds more with someone like samus apparently.

Again, Zero suit. If she can use the boots, why can't she use the rest of the armor? And from a mechanic standpoint, how is boots of Zero Samus going to be any different from the fully armored version? These just make more sense in universe and gameplay wise even if it wasn't the greatest choice of footwear.

 

[Padwolf]

I like the look of them, I like it a lot. However all I can do is cringe in pain because running in heels is not fun. It hurts. It hurts for days after. The pain, oh lord the pain! I prefer the look of salvaging the boots from her power armour, that looks great. However it doesn't really bother me much overall. I like to play her character in smash bros for her abilities and how much fun she is to play, not for how she looks!

 

[Another]

I'm less offended by the heels themselves, than their design and color. Just... bleghhhh...absolutely terrible looking!

 

[Snotnarok]

Considering the boots are chozo tech, above and beyond anyone else by a considerable margin and when fully equipped armored allow her to jump over 20 feet in the air, I don't think the heels regardless of their developer is gonna compete armor wise/ ability wise. Many seem to boast the "spike" with heels but I kinda fear 50 pound armored boots being swung around at great speeds more with someone like samus apparently.

Again, Zero suit. If she can use the boots, why can't she use the rest of the armor? And from a mechanic standpoint, how is boots of Zero Samus going to be any different from the fully armored version? These just make more sense in universe and gameplay wise even if it wasn't the greatest choice of footwear.

It's sci-fi, we can BS our way through this, ready? Go!

The zero beam only shorted out the upper systems in her armor.
She was able to quickly salvage control circuits from her helmet and re-purposed them to repair the damaged ones in her boots.

The boots took less damage from the zero beam.

The power armor is only mostly dead shorted out, the boots were recovered first so they could be used in combat.

Before you suggest why not the power cannon, the cannon is likely extremely heavy and the boots for mobility purposes have built in weight displacement systems.

Her suit is entirely modular, the power armor is basically an advanced shielded/armored space suit with a gun and from there the shielding, offensive, defensive, mobility capabilities are expanded upon.

Could you say the heels are just a better replacement for the boots as it's more simple and would allow the suit self repair functions to function faster? Sure? But they're still not a great choice in combat, poor comfort, likely to break ankles, less gr- okay yes could you use sci-fi bs to bypass this, yes, but then why not just use a boot then where things can be less focused on working around a flawed combat idea and more on just helping.