Sarah Palin resignation
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I have never heard a good reason to hate her. Never a policy stance just vindictive venom dripping from the mouths of misinformed drones. I could see how she might rub someone the wrong way as peoples taste differ. She had more executive experience than McCain or the mess we are left with now. Oh well politics are backwards anyway. I can't say the idea of McCain in the whitehouse pleased me. The Republlicans screwed the pooch with him and paved the way for a easy party win for the democrats. And now we will be taxed even worse than we already were. No one wins this time around. Hey but we have a likable president, real charisma, good at reading teleprompter. O but his policies will have you wondering why your dollar wont buy you crap.
Ugh we could have had some real visionaries this time around, no Palin wasn't my first pick either.
Ugh we could have had some real visionaries this time around, no Palin wasn't my first pick either.
It did come as a shock for sure,
but I still haven't figured out the massive hate for her. Can someone, rationally and calmly explain why they hate Palin so much.
I don't agree with Obama's policies but I don't go around the internet spouting hate speech towards him.
You Palin haters need to support your hate of Palin with facts and reasons, instead of clogging the forums with ever more creative ways of saying "I hate Palin"
but I still haven't figured out the massive hate for her. Can someone, rationally and calmly explain why they hate Palin so much.
I don't agree with Obama's policies but I don't go around the internet spouting hate speech towards him.
You Palin haters need to support your hate of Palin with facts and reasons, instead of clogging the forums with ever more creative ways of saying "I hate Palin"
Because, heaven forbid, (religious reference in a Palin thread, 0_o whoda thunkit) a "woman in power" have differing opinions from yourself. Now granted, I'm not saying don't hate her, you're entitled to your views, but are you really justified in attacking the fact that she has risen to a place of power of her own merits? Even if you disagree with someone's stance on subjects, I would think that you would be happy to see any type of progress on that front.Labyrinth said:
Even if I don't agree with every aspect of Obama's points of view, I'm glad that we've been able to look past race and elect someone who'se not the stereotypical "old, white guy". Although at the same time I believe that race in fact played a part in his election, considering my son's 4th grade teacher flat out told her class that she voted for him because he's "black". I didn't make that crap up. -_-;
Anyway, as I was saying, hate her all you want, but at least give her some credit where credit is due. Not being able to swallow your own pride and recognize someone's accomplishments just because you dislike (ok maybe that's too nice of a word) them makes you no better then the one you hate. (yes I'm so about to go down the Hitler route. It's not because I'm making a direct comparison of Hitler to anyone, but I'm just using this as an example of how blind rage, if even for justified reasons, can retard your own way of thinking.) Though Hitler was, as most of us can agree, a "very bad man", he really did help bring Germany out of an economic bottomless pit. He did a lot of things for Germany that were in fact good. Not to mention that in some cases he was a strategic genious. Does that change the fact that he was a mass murderer and did some of the most deplorable things in history? Hell no. Can we learn from him still? Yes, yes I think we can.
I cannot speak for the Governess? prowess in her current position from what I hear and am reading here she actually is a decent governor.
I always thought she was much smarter than people let on. At least in a political sense; she played to the lowest common denominator. She tried to appear ?folksy? and ?down to earth? which is what a lot of people want.
It worked for Dubya didn?t it?
The problem was coupled with other propaganda of the republican party at the time it appeared to many as condescending at best and idiocy at worst. And her strong personality shifted a lot of media focus on her and she became heavily scrutinized. She is not the best public speaker it seems with the famous 'I can see russia' type statements. You know who else did that though? Yeah the guy who one the two elections before that. Could it have been purposeful and they (yes they) pushed her to do that too hard?
Now, I don?t think she was qualified to be the VP, that doesn?t make her bad at her current position though. I know many people who are excellent at their job but would be terrible if they got promoted.
All this being said; I don?t think Biden is qualified to be the Veep either.
I always thought she was much smarter than people let on. At least in a political sense; she played to the lowest common denominator. She tried to appear ?folksy? and ?down to earth? which is what a lot of people want.
It worked for Dubya didn?t it?
The problem was coupled with other propaganda of the republican party at the time it appeared to many as condescending at best and idiocy at worst. And her strong personality shifted a lot of media focus on her and she became heavily scrutinized. She is not the best public speaker it seems with the famous 'I can see russia' type statements. You know who else did that though? Yeah the guy who one the two elections before that. Could it have been purposeful and they (yes they) pushed her to do that too hard?
Now, I don?t think she was qualified to be the VP, that doesn?t make her bad at her current position though. I know many people who are excellent at their job but would be terrible if they got promoted.
All this being said; I don?t think Biden is qualified to be the Veep either.
The problem I have with Palin is that despite everything, she still represents "Traditional Values". Think of Thatcher too. It's the "Hockey Mom with $500 outfits because her appearance IS EVERYTHINGGG!!!111oneoneone", the idiocy of her, that kind of thing. Do I discredit her political capacity? Oh there's no doubt of that, mostly because I dislike slime in politics.Borrowed Time said:
Good riddance. She's an idiot. She made female politicians look like morons. I'll be glad to be permanently rid of her.
If the Republicans can come back to reality now--then we'd be getting somewhere.
If the Republicans can come back to reality now--then we'd be getting somewhere.
Borrowed Time said:
Her own merit? What? What merit? McCain picked her because Obama was so wildly popular and he thought that by selecting an attractive woman, he'd appeal to more people by appearing progressive. It ended up being a huge mistake for him. So. What merit?
You getting all self-righteous about her just comes across as obnoxious. And then pulling the Hitler card? Really?
Awwww, does this mean she won't run for president in 2010?? Dang, I was sooooo looking forward to it!
All sarcasm aside, it's about damn time she shoved off. Maybe she will graciously take Rick Perry with her, and his abyssmal eventual replacement, Kay Bailey Hutchinson. I can only hope.
On the hopeful side, maybe she will aspire to the Blagoyevich route, eh?
All sarcasm aside, it's about damn time she shoved off. Maybe she will graciously take Rick Perry with her, and his abyssmal eventual replacement, Kay Bailey Hutchinson. I can only hope.
On the hopeful side, maybe she will aspire to the Blagoyevich route, eh?
Wow, you really don't look at much other than liberal media do you? I'm sorry but becoming a governor, even in Alaska, isn't a cake walk. So, McCain didn't pick her solely for hype, but because you know, she actual knows how to be an executive, unlike a senator, who only knows how to ramble.historybuff said:
I feel bad for her personally. I think she got into politics for good intentions and the Repubs. drew her into the whole presidential running to take advantage of the fact she's an attractive female. Now she has gotten caught up in the big scandals and drama and all that other fake shit that comes with top tier politics and she doesn't have the big family name or money or connections to keep her on top of it like the older politicians do. Just another example of what our "American dream" is becoming, it's kinda sad people.
How does you having a problem with her representing "Traditional Values", for reasons neither you nor I can truly explain, besides sheer stupidity, why she still represents those, deminish the fact that she's actually governed a state and from some people's point of view, done a half decent job of it? I'm not defending her that she'd make a good Veep, oh hell no. I am defending her achieving the seat she was already in though.Labyrinth said:
It's the same kind of thing with myself and Obama. I respect him because he is my president. I hate the people that say "oh I didn't elect him, he's not my president." Bullcrap, he's the president of the USA. If you don't like it and are going to spout that inane crap, then GTFO of the US of A. I regularly disagree with him and make it known, but I respect the man for what he's accomplished, and not because he's incredibly charismatic. In fact, that probably makes me even more wary of what he has to say.
And the $10,000 toilet seats in the White House? Yes i know that's an exaggeration but still. $500 outfits is a small drop in the slime bucket that is the USA's political system and all the individuals involved in it. Trying to find a clean politician is about as easy as trying to find a clean lawyer. Now I know those are generalizations, and generalizations are bad. I also know that it doesn't justify anyone using slimeball tactics in politics, but I find it hard to swallow (no jokes -_-) individuals calling out politicians because of their less then moral actions as if it was some kind of unique thing. It's rampant whether you're on the Republican or Democrat or any of the other party's side.
Does that mean we shouldn't point out when individuals in power make poor decisions? Of course not. Does that mean we have to love every politician just because we may have helped elect them or because they even were elected? Of course not, but at least give them some respect. In all honesty, people could do a lot more good spending their time writing their politicians (or even other state's politicians) expressing their beliefs and opinions instead of complaining about them in an internet forum. Believe it or not, they actually read those letters, or at least have people read them for them. (heh)
I understand your reasons for disliking Palin and honestly think you're justified in feeling that way. That was never my concern. It was more along the lines of your comments on her being a "bad example for people to attach 'Feminist' to" and "woman in power" that I had mixed feelings about. :shrug: That's all. And damnit i just ran out of time because my co-worker just arrived to take over his shift. Bah, I'll try to finish my thought when I get home. Damnable shift change, can't they see I'm busy debating!? *grumble*
The republicans don't have much else at this point, no other big names they can shuffle into a presidential bid. Too bad Arnie can't run. Seriously though, if she can't even finish out her one term in Alaska, there's little hope of her becoming president anyways. She left her people high and dry, and isn't finishing the job she was elected to do.