Science Breakthrough: Plate Armor is Heavy

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ToxicOranges

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Never mind all the people dying of cancer and the millions that suffer from diseases and hunger world-wide, lets focus our energies on PROVING SOMETHING POINTLESS!

Gentleman, lets do Science! Huuuurrrrrr!
 

WouldYouKindly

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Now my reason for, in hypotheticals, never wearing heavier than chain in a 1v1 duel is scientifically supported. Truth be told, I'd probably go for lamellar. Fairly light, easy to maintain, and as if not more effective than mail. Also, I think it's layered nature made it better against bows too.

However, for a battle line, it's probably best to wear heavier armor because you don't really have the luxury of free movement.
 

ShindoL Shill

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ive worn a plate-mail helmet (replica of Robert the Bruce's). i nearly faceplanted it was that bloody heavy.
 

Kakita

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WouldYouKindly said:
Now my reason for, in hypotheticals, never wearing heavier than chain in a 1v1 duel is scientifically supported. Truth be told, I'd probably go for lamellar. Fairly light, easy to maintain, and as if not more effective than mail. Also, I think it's layered nature made it better against bows too.

However, for a battle line, it's probably best to wear heavier armor because you don't really have the luxury of free movement.
Except any actual testing proves your theory wrong.

Average suit of chainmail? probably close to 30 pounds or so for something that's full body.

Average Plate Armor? Mine is 20 pounds and my helmet makes up far too much of that due to safety reqs for the SCA.

Weight placement for Chainmail? except for the legs it all rests on the shoulders.

Weight placement for Plate? Except for legs it rests evenly along the full torso.

AS for movement, in my armor I lose a very slight bit of arm range in that my arm cannot go straight up. But I've yet to really ever encounter any type of situation where it needs to. But other than that I can dive roll, jog, move my leg in full motion, my arms across my chest and behind me. My torso bends just fine when I need to.

As much as I hate refferencing this movie for a factual point, if you look at Knight's Tale. THe guys in heavy armor having to be lifted into their horses? That's not combat plate, that's jousting plate. It is heavy and limiting because all it's meant for is riding down a straight even path and being able to withstand a lance strike from roughly one direction. Real plate is going to be similar to the "fictional" stuff Heath Ledger wears. Jogging, no limitations, vaulting into a saddle.

Contrary to whoever these "scientists" are, plate isn't heavy or all that encumbering.
 

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This is why I love science.

You are doing the science Wrong! Well thats your opinion man...

"If you are really extreme, you never let informed facts or the scientific method hold you back from your journey to the wrong answer!" ;-P
 

Kakita

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Not really. Rode horses because a horse had more endurance than a human, and in combat a well trained Warhorse is another weapon independant of the rider. Combine that with the ability to strike while moving much much faster and thus with a lot more force and you have what is effectively the medieval tank/battering ram.

Again, the heavy, need horse to move, armor is from alter era Sport Jousting. Not combat armor.
 

SageRuffin

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And the sky is blue, water is wet, and gravity makes shit hit the ground. Anyone who even thought about plate armor and didn't think it weight a good 100 pounds is fooling themselves.

And the hindrance (sp?) to mobility is common sense - it's a bit more difficult to lift something that 20lbs versus something 20oz, is it not?
 

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theheroofaction said:
breaking news: water is wet. Also: ice is cold
Relatively Wet and Relatively cold.

But the effort was cute.

@OP Any endeavor to fulfill our curiosity is money well spent. The failure of the public is to assume that the only good science is science immediately applied to their daily lives.

Such a disappointing response thread :/.
 

Irony's Acolyte

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What? Plate armor is heavy? MADNESS!

Seriously though, this isn't really all that new to me. Although if I'm not mistaken, knights generally didn't slog around on foot in all that armor. They rode horses around, meaning it wasn't as much as a burden on them.

I also remember that because the English Longbows were so great at taking out knights, they weren't seen as being very chivalrous. What with some lowly peasant sending an arrow into the body of nobleman from quite a distance away.
 

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Lyiat said:
See, its experiments like these that annoy the crap out of me. I don't want my tax dollars going to fund this stuff. Its -obvious-.
Look at these excerpts below. None of our precious US tax dollars were wasted here.

Andy Chalk said:
Researchers in the U.K. -snip- researcher Dr. Graham Askew of the University of Leeds -snip- volunteers -snip-
 

jawakiller

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WHAT?! Are you trying to tell me a suit made out of iron and steel is heavy? And that it strains you quickly? And that it was expensive to transport? Oh my fucking lord, who knew?

I'm very, very sorry I have to say this but here it goes

No fucking shit.

Again, I'm so sorry I had to say that.
 

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Gottesstrafe said:
Can't say for certain, but I would also think that a good old fashioned english longbow or a crossbow bolt wouldn't have too much difficulty penetrating leather either.
Considering the British longbow could pierce plate, I doubt leather really is going to stop it.

OT:

So yeah, obvious study is obvious and clearly should have been done in more detail.
 

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I'm in agreement with the guy that concluded this experiment was useless.

Yes, armor weighs you down and fatigues you faster than if you were unarmored (Regardless of conditioning, though conditioning can reduce the degree to which your performance suffers when armored, and increase unarmored performance)... There were far better results they could have measured and tested.
 

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I guess I am forced to post these videos.

Yes you do tire faster. Not due to the weight, but since the helm restricts breathing. There is a reason helms had visors that would open.