Sexism against men

[Terminally Chill]

Say what you want about the feminist movement, but without it, we wouldn't live in as nearly an equal society as we do now.

I'm a woman, and I understand I'm in the minority here, and yes, I do understand that there is a degree of oppression of men - being forced into armed conflict being the most prominent one. But despite that, every single society on earth is dominated by males. Very, very few companies have female leaders, and the same can be said for countries and states. Women have been oppressed by men in almost every society in the world for thousands upon thousands of years - and now just because within the past few decades a lot of us are equal to men and the media sometimes portrays things in a female favour, we're suddenly the oppressors? Bullshit.

I love men, I honestly do. All I want is equality between all people. But I still see sexism all the time - and honestly, it's still far more often than not a man towards a woman. And I'm not saying it's right when a woman is targeting a man, it's never right. But to say we live in a world where men are on average more disadvantaged than women is rubbish.

 

[Hagi]

Say what you want about the feminist movement, but without it, we wouldn't live in as nearly an equal society as we do now.

I'm a woman, and I understand I'm in the minority here, and yes, I do understand that there is a degree of oppression of men - being forced into armed conflict being the most prominent one. But despite that, every single society on earth is dominated by males. Very, very few companies have female leaders, and the same can be said for countries and states. Women have been oppressed by men in almost every society in the world for thousands upon thousands of years - and now just because within the past few decades a lot of us are equal to men and the media sometimes portrays things in a female favour, we're suddenly the oppressors? Bullshit.

I love men, I honestly do. All I want is equality between all people. But I still see sexism all the time - and honestly, it's still far more often than not a man towards a woman. And I'm not saying it's right when a woman is targeting a man, it's never right. But to say we live in a world where men are on average more disadvantaged than women is rubbish.

I generally agree with you. What I think causes this is that unlike women, whom I do believe are more disadvantaged, men generally don't get much recognition for the sexism that does happen to them.

When it's remarked that there's still a lot of violence directed at women in the form of abuse and rape it's immediately admitted that this is sadly true. A lot of people go right back to what they were doing and don't actually do anything about it but at least they do admit that there's a lot of sexism going on towards females.

But when it's remarked on how there's quite a lot of men who are emotionally abused by their spouses they're often told to man up and not be such a wimp. They don't even get the recognition of their problems that women do receive. It isn't even admitted that there is a problem, let alone any serious attempts to fix it.

Also I have to ask, what is the relevance of women having been oppressed for thousands of years? It's a sad fact of history, but it is history. I'm just over 20, I wasn't around for those thousands of years. I don't know how old you are but I'm pretty sure you didn't suffer those thousands of years of oppression either.

 

[inquisiti0n]

Women have been oppressed by men in almost every society in the world for thousands upon thousands of years - and now just because within the past few decades a lot of us are equal to men and the media sometimes portrays things in a female favour, we're suddenly the oppressors? Bullshit.

The genders roles were different back then. It's unfair for you to project the values we currently hold in society to the ones they had back then (called presentism I believe). There's a reason why that a lot of the dissidents against feminism (when it first started) were other women, and no, it's not because they were forced by men to think that way. A lot of women simply thought they had a pretty good deal. I'm not saying that it was right, or that I want society to revert back to that time, but it's so arrogant when people act like they know what people, who lived centuries before they were born, should want. And alot of the "oppression" is simply overblown, or at the very least, misinterpreted. Voting for example, had more to do with wealth than it did with gender.

example of voting laws & subsequent amendments in the UK:

In 1800, the right to vote was based on wealth and gender (male). Less that 3 adults out of every 100 could vote. Since then, there have been some significant changes to the voting regulations:

1832 Reform Act. Extended the right to vote to certain leaseholders and householders. 5 adults out of every 100 could vote.

1867 Second Reform Act. Further extension of the voting regulations in counties and boroughs. 13 adults out of every 100 could vote, but still based on wealth.

1872 Secret Ballot Act. Introduced voting by secret ballot.

1884 Representation of the People Act. Any male occupying land or property with an annual rateable value of £10 could vote. 24 adutls out of every 100 could vote.

1918 Representation of the People Act. All males over the age of 21 were given the vote. Women over 30 got the vote. Women could sit in the House of Commons as MPs. 75 adults out of every 100 could vote.

1928 Representation of the People Act. Uniform voting rights were extended to all men and women over the age of 21. 99 adults out of every 100 could vote.

1969 Representation of the People Act. The voting age was reduced to all men and women over the age of 18.

1985 Representation of the People Act. Voters who, at the time of an election, are abroad, either working or on holiday, may apply for a postal vote.

2000 Representation of the People Act. Introduced changes to electoral registration and extended postal vote provisions.

^So the actual time difference between the majority of men voting isn't that far off from when women were allowed to vote. The same applies to most other countries.



Secondly, the sexism against men today doesn't mean that men are oppressed (actually don't recall anyone here making that claim) but it's interesting to see how indifferent the majority of feminists (who supposedly are for equality) are towards sexism against men, going as far as to say that misandry isn't an issue at all until all forms of misogyny are erased, which is just really stupid and hypocritical.

 

[Blueruler182]

Men have their own image problems they have to live up to, and they're just as damaging, we just don't whine about it so publicly. My back and neck are fucked up because I've tried to be the strong man all my life, and for the most part I've succeeded, but it doesn't change the fact that I'm typing this while ignoring a massive migrain at the base of my skull. Women have groups and PR to be strong independant feminists, all the while expecting the man to be exactly as he's been told to be.

I mean, c'mon, a girl can kiss a girl and it's slightly erotic, nothing else. A guy can't even hold hands with another guy without, at best, it turning into a gay joke. And before anyone brings up the whole 'girls get called sluts' thing, that word has both been retaken as a symbol of strength for women, used as an example to motivate women, and has been used insultingly on men. So zipit.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

Snip.

Misogyny, my good man, misogyny.

Beyond that... Both avenues of sexism are fairly well traveled, so ignore, keep walking, and occasionally laugh at the extremists in either direction.

There's a big difference between being pro-something and being anti-something else. Misogyny is an anti-female stance.

I do not wish to close the avenue of discussion by shouting 'Semantics!' and leaving, but I'm not sure I see your differenciation. If one is Pro-Life, then one is by necessity Anti-choice.

Not entirely, someone who is Pro-Life could be someone who is opposed to abortions in the sense that they want more ease of access to birth control methods and better sexual education as to remove their need, but not speak out against their use. Is that a common stance in discussion about abortions? No, but it doesn't mean that it can't exist.

Anyways, that is apples and oranges. Some things, like racial superiority for example, have no real divergence of stances, it's either for or against. Others, like reactionary movements, can either be pro-opposition or anti-subject. Unless you're implying that, following your apples and oranges method, in order to be pro-homosexual you need to be anti-heterosexual.

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

You ever try and balance a pencil on your finger?

Go get a pencil, but put it on your finger really lopsided (but don't let it fall).

Then try to adjust it to balance it out.

What happens? The pencil ends up leaning the other way, doesn't it? It's now unbalanced, but in the opposite direction.

And when you try and put it back, the same will happen.

After some deliberation, you'll finally have it balanced on your finger... but it'll always wobble to and fro.

Think of sexism like that.

Go to your freezer and see if you can find an ice lolly (or a 'Popsicle' if you're American). Unwrap it, but don't eat it. Imagine you're going to give this ice lolly to a friend of yours.

But oh no, it's very cold! Too cold to eat comfortably. Instead of giving it to them as is, try to warm it up for them. You can hold it in your hand and let your body heat melt it a bit, but that might get you sticky. So instead, you could get a hair-dryer and use that to melt it for them.

But if you put the setting too high... oh dear, it's now just a sugary puddle on the ground.

Think of condescending metaphors like that.

... How, exactly, is that condescending? I'm not talking to him like he's an idiot. I'm putting it in a metaphor because I couldn't think of a better way to explain it. Only condescending person here is you.

You are talking to him like he's an idiot. Five-year-olds understand the concept of equilibrium, you don't need to explain it like: "go get a pencil! Very good! Now put it on your finger... But be careful it doesn't fall off! ^_^"

Besides, it doesn't even hold up too well as a metaphor. Upper class (white) men have always been in power throughout history. What upper class white men decide is politically correct might swing back and forth like a pencil, but the balance of power certainly doesn't.

 

[Username Redacted]

Are there seriously people who don't believe a man can be raped by a woman if he gets a boner? Good. Fucking. Christ. Physical arousal can be instinctive and unavoidable during rape - it's the body's natural reaction to sexual activity of any kind. It does not make the experience wanted or enjoyable for the victim on any level. This idea that physical arousal that literally can't be helped = consent is one reason rape victims can experience shame and confusion about their trauma...so yeah. Hope everyone saying "ITS NOT RAPE IF YOU ENJOYED IT LOL" feels great about that.

I would like to direct you to the other trending thread in OT at this moment in which ~49% of the respondents to the poll don't believe that statutory rape is statutory rape if the adult in the situation is female and hot. In short there are a lot of stupid people who don't have a particularly good idea how the world at any level actually works.

 

[Jake0fTrades]

And I stand by my point that just because its on a smaller scale, it can't be ignored. But I see what you're coming from.

I was about to come take your side until I saw you settled it peacefully.

Anyway, I agree with you, it pains me to see incredibly ignorant and aggressive "feminists" who more rightfully suit the definition of "supremacist."

No, no, no, you're seeing it wrong, I'm not saying that feminists are like that, (although some are), not at all. I agree with feminism, I just think there actaully is a lot of sexism against men.

I didn't mean to imply that all feminists are insane, and I wholly support civil rights for everyone, I only meant to complain about the ones who take it too far.

 

[Phasmal]

Yes, there is sexism against men.
As there is sexism towards women.
Lets try not to be sexist, instead of starting whiney threads about who has it worse.

 

[Spoonius]

Men and women will always be different, and that's why absolute equilibrium is impossible. If we cease to retain any distinct gender roles, then the concept of "gender" loses all meaning.

I see it as the yin-yang principle. Two genders (unless you count tranny and bi as genders) of an entirely different nature, existing in perfect balance. That's what we as humans should strive for, balance. Not equality for equality's sake, but balance, and the unique equilibrium brought about by such a symbiotic coexistence.

 

[Kagim]

Say what you want about the feminist movement, but without it, we wouldn't live in as nearly an equal society as we do now.

I'm a woman, and I understand I'm in the minority here, and yes, I do understand that there is a degree of oppression of men - being forced into armed conflict being the most prominent one. But despite that, every single society on earth is dominated by males. Very, very few companies have female leaders, and the same can be said for countries and states. Women have been oppressed by men in almost every society in the world for thousands upon thousands of years - and now just because within the past few decades a lot of us are equal to men and the media sometimes portrays things in a female favour, we're suddenly the oppressors? Bullshit.

I love men, I honestly do. All I want is equality between all people. But I still see sexism all the time - and honestly, it's still far more often than not a man towards a woman. And I'm not saying it's right when a woman is targeting a man, it's never right. But to say we live in a world where men are on average more disadvantaged than women is rubbish.

Alot of sexism that happens to men is hard to see unless your, well, a man. Just like most men will cock there heads confused whenever a woman says "Well that's sexist." It's hard for the other gender to see just what exactly was wrong with the image or idea unless they are that gender.

Take the images on tv.

All men love beer! That's the truth! if he doesn't love beer he must be a pansy or have a stick up his ass and is a coward weakling! Make fun of him!

Men are treated as sex objects quite often in commercials and tv. Me and my wife had a discussion on this not long ago with a gap commercial(I believe) where a man only wearing jeans walks on and starts posing. He is tall and heavily built and is essentially displayed as a hunk of meat. A commercial about orange juice does the same thing making a piece of meat out of a pool boy.

Look at characters on tv in general, tall strong men are hero's, short fat men are either villains are comic relief. You never see a short stocky person be a hero unless its meant as a wacky blindside or your watching lord of the rings. So if your a guy and don't have chiseled abs your ugly. Not to mention how many action hero's are a step away from naked? Unless your trying to say men pay to watch bruce willis strip you can't say that isn't fan service to the ladies in the audience.

Someone already said this but in tv and movies raping a woman is a horrible violent scene and the perpetrator is the bad guy. However when a male gets raped? Your probably watching a romantic comedy. Party Crashers and 40 days and 40 nights are two massive perpetrators of this.

Men are not as likely to become anorexic or bulimic over body image, but we are generally more likely to start taking dangerous unhealthy drugs to get the image were supposed to have.

Men are supposed to take dangerous stupid risks, or lunge into fights to show how tough they are. Otherwise they're cowards and weakling who should be ridiculed.

There is alot of sexism agaisnt men in society and the media. You just sorta have to be a guy to see it. Much like I'm not ever really going to understand why you find something so harmful, or hell, even know it existed in the first place.

I mean, sure, we can both understand the obvious stuff. Rape, not getting a job, not getting promotions or anything in these veins that are kinda apparent. However the stuff we get bombarded with. The sexist stereotypical views and ideals we are expected to maintain.

A man living off his wife is a parasite and a maggot. A woman living off her husband is fine. Being a house husband means your lazy and unmotivated. Being a housewife is accepted. Neither side is doing more or less work or accepting more or less duties... and yet...

Honestly, i don't think anyone is even jokingly trying to say "men are oppressed!" or that "Men have it harder then woman." because yeah, that would be rubbish. It's also rubbish to however say that there isn't much sexism agaisnt men. Or that you have any idea how often and how offensive it can get.

Because the stuff that wears on you. That rears it's ugly freaking head everyday... Your going to have a hard time seeing that. Just like it's always going to be hard for me to see just what shows up for you every day.

Women have been oppressed by men in almost every society in the world for thousands upon thousands of years - and now just because within the past few decades a lot of us are equal to men and the media sometimes portrays things in a female favour, we're suddenly the oppressors? Bullshit.

This quote mostly highlights where your confused and proves my point. You can't see what is actually happening. Much like when feminism took root it was about casting off a gender role and giving the finger to sexist stereotyping. That is what is happening now. It's not something being put in favor of a woman that men are so enraged about on the media. It's being stereotyped as either a stupid burly lout or a deceiving asshole. It's all the stuff i listed above.

It's about men just flat out saying "I refuse to follow a stereotype and it's bullshit that I am expected to!". Your not an oppressor anymore then the average male was back when feminism took root.

I'm going to clarify again. I'm NOT trying to say men have it harder. Or that men are being oppressed. I'm just trying to show you that sexism is very, very real towards men. We are stereotyped and shoved into gender roles by both tv and society. It's bullshit that it happens at all to anyone.

It's just that unless your a male.. your not going to see any of what i just said... Where as I can't watch tv without being told I am to fat, to short, to weak, and to much of a loser to matter and that I am a pathetic excuse for a man because i don't want to go play beach volleyball with a bunch of scantly clad females after drinking shitty tasting beer. The very idea that I am stupidenough to be convicned into buying something because of a girl in a tight bikini is standing next to it is offensive.

 

[funguy2121]

You pointed out that this thread has been done many times. I'd just like to point out that the most flamboyant flame-baiting and trolling I've seen on here hasn't been on political threads or Duke Nukem threads or Ayn Rand threads; it's been on threads relating to women and girl gamers. The Escapist's primary demographic is video gamers and, as such, there are quite a few angry young men on here; within that smaller "demographic" is quite a large number of angry young men who are vitriolic, even vindictive, toward women, and a smaller subset of this group are convinced that men have it worse then women or that men are victimized/demonized more often. This is my second read of the OP; I skimmed through it this morning before going to work and was intrigued. So, full disclosure, before I comment on some of your statements, let me get one bias out of the way first. Nearly every time I see one of these threads I find that it's coming from this group of disaffected men.

ok, so I was watching spongebob because my Dad hates that show and I wanted to spite him.

Right here you've shown yourself to be vindictive and removed yourself from the somewhat-capable-of-objectivity club. I hope that doesn't sound too rude; it just sounds thoroughly adolescent.

Anyway, a commercial came up for some shoes, were a bunch of boys were in a soccer match with a bunch of generic girls, and the mascot says sarcastically, "ready to give up, girls?" Then, one of the generic girls, which is meant to represent girls in general, remember,cheats by turning off the lights, at which point the boys shoes light up bla bla bla. But the general potrayal of girls is as weak, cheating, epic fail prone losers, whereas the boys are strong, athletic, great, fabulous, athletes. Pretty bad, right?

But I'm lying. The genders are switched around. So it has to be equally bad.

The frequency with which an offense is committed doesn't define the severity, but rather the nature. Yes, this is "equally bad." What's much worse is that we are told from everyone that girls aren't as good at sports, aren't as competitive, and aren't really as good at anything other than nurturing, cooking and whoring. This is instilled in us before we even start talking. There is no equivalent bias against men. There are biases against men, and if you've yet joined the workforce you may have already butted heads with it, but there are plenty more biases there against women, at least women who aren't inclined to suck their way up the corporate ladder.

All I'm saying is that there has to be a double standard. Otherwise, men will be being called perverts if they so much as glance at a woman. Plus, you do realise that men are raped too? Why isn't THAT big news?

I would say "let the girls have their trite commercial," except that that commercial isn't doing women any favors either. It's part of the insipid world of marketing governed by cynical, unintelligent fuckups who think that everyone, most especially women, are stupid. Ever see a guy trying really hard to get into a girl's pants by insincerely kissing her ass? Ever see one of the 95% of rom-coms out there that are bat-shit stupid? That's what you're seeing. Ever watch a McDonald's commercial on BET? Shift demographics. It's the same damned thing.

And yes, men are raped. In prison. By other men. Outside of prison, reported rapes of women by other women usually number in the single digits, if I'm correct, and reported rapes of men by anyone are virtually unheard of. Meanwhile, rape of women by men, out in the free world, is reported by the thousands every year. I suspect the reason it isn't bigger news is that prison is a business and the state benefits from said business, and would rather not have the vast shortcomings, to put it lightly, of said system, be a part of the public discourse.

Another example is a movie that came out a few months ago, and did reasonably well. It was about two men trying to help a hot girl, but they end up having to be helped by her. What if the positions were reversed? Two girls try to help a muscular, handsome man, but end up being ditzy and having to be helped by the manly man.

Firstly, without at least the title of the movie, I can't give you an opinion, since I have no idea which film you're talking about. It sounds like what I was discussing above, or it may be addressing the very real form of sexism in Western culture wherein we guys try to care for our weak little flowers of civilization. Or it may be both. Other than sheer stupidity, I don't find anything wrong with this film based on your description. If the roles were reversed I'd say the same thing.

I am simply pointing out that you have to pay attention to both ends of the spectrum. There is a lot of work to do on both sides, and I'm just trying to help.

I couldn't agree more. Good on you for putting your thoughts out there even though it may have attracted a few flames.

 

[funguy2121]

How can a women rape a man, they wouldn't be har, and if they were it wouldn't be rape.

Do you really want to ask that question? Methinks you wouldn't like the answer. I can tell you about the conversation I had with my friend and his wife about how fake most "lesbian" porn is and her response regarding gay porn, if you like...

 

[funguy2121]

So ive actually done alot of research into this and our roles as men form the begging has always been towards one goal, gaining and protecting women. we may have done alot of thing that seem like sexism but in our internal instincts man had never stopped putting woman at the top of his list. if you delve into the english language you can see the inner laden foundation to a society where women are considered pure and clean and men are dirty and evil. if there is a news story about a robbery and a man was the suspect they call him a suspect if it is a woman they say female suspect because labeling a woman as the guilty party and not the victim is very strange to our tongue when we say it. when we say angel we think of a woman with wings if you think of the word demon or devil a image of a man with horns is the usual norm. and if you think of the psychology of modern day media especially in television. men are portrayed as dumb dopey slow witted failures while the woman has to slowly shake her head and clean up the mess.

At my college there are rules in place that the women's areas of the dorms have the easiest access to the laundry and lounge while the men's areas force the men to got outside to reach these parts of the building. the women's restrooms are given double the funding to remodel with some even have a "bathroom lounge". the mens restrooms are in poor repair and never cleaned.

I would have to say that women in modern society have taken their victimized positiona nd reversed it into a power over the opposite sex. instead of men being overtly sexist pigs they are now subdued and compliant fearful of being labeled as sexist to the poin they must walk on eggshells around such issues.

CASE IN POINT- why is this awkward to discuss when it wouldnt be if we were talking about sexism against women?

You should believe more in yourself, and in our gender, than to reduce us to evolutionary archetypes. We have sentience, therefore those excuses, pardon my language, are bullshit.

 

[funguy2121]

Yeaah...no, your arguments seemed to be isolated incidents as well as being particularly vague and thoroughly unconvincing. I really have no idea what's triggering this, but I swear I see more and more males, most prevelantly on the Internet bitching about this 'it's only sexist/racsit when a white man does it' and such other tripe. You really don't know how lucky you have it, so stop being so paranoid, notice that societal, media and corporate views towards minorities are still being held in lower regard, accept while there are a few double standards that favour women, far FAR more of them favour men and most of all....

Its not often but when men are raped and in the event we are brutally tortured and dismembered women seem to find this funny. I dont know why. This is what makes me angry.

Case and point. The event where that man got captured, tied up, force fed drugs, starved, and raped over and over and over for 4 days? Many women on TV and i knew and on the internet said this was hilarious.

That chat show where they laughed on tv (totally ok) about that man whos penis was chopped off and blended for wanted a divorce. When told it was sexist they went "its just different for men" [when they are brutally assaulted and dismembered]. This physically sickens me. The media seems ok with sexism toward men. To the extreme. Try and imagine a man laughing at a rape, sorry a kidnap imprisonment drugging serial rape, or an instance where a womans breasts were removed and blended in front of her on TELEVISION and it was APPROVED and ENCOURAGED. Can you? There would be fucking riots.

Better examples please. "That one time when something bad happened" doesn't make your examples easy to google. First of all, only catty, bitchy, only-biologically female people laugh when an innocent person gets mutilated or maimed in any way. John Wayne Bobbit was an accused rapist, and I too laughed at all of the jokes about his dick getting cut off. I also laughed when he tried to become a porn star after being acquitted, and I further laughed when I heard that he had to take an assload of drugs to get it up, and that it wasn't really impressive. But I stopped laughing when the rape allegation was confirmed. John Wayne Bobbit was later convicted of raping a second woman. So yeah, the idea of him losing his junk is A-fuckin'-OK with me. Have you read/seen Sin City? Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez are both dudes, but they both used two separate gratuitous hard-R scenes of dick separation involving a child rapist. Were you offended when Bruce Willis' Butch cut up the hillbilly rapist in Pulp Fiction? Or, immediately after, when Ving Rhames' Marcellus Wallace blew the other perp's nuts off with a shotgun? Neither did I. It was exactly the catharsis that the film needed after all that lead up to it.

Let the catty bitches have their stupid dick-in-a-blender jokes, and let the rest of us laugh at John Wayne Rapist Bobbit.

 

[retyopy]

You pointed out that this thread has been done many times. I'd just like to point out that the most flamboyant flame-baiting and trolling I've seen on here hasn't been on political threads or Duke Nukem threads or Ayn Rand threads; it's been on threads relating to women and girl gamers. The Escapist's primary demographic is video gamers and, as such, there are quite a few angry young men on here; within that smaller "demographic" is quite a large number of angry young men who are vitriolic, even vindictive, toward women, and a smaller subset of this group are convinced that men have it worse then women or that men are victimized/demonized more often. This is my second read of the OP; I skimmed through it this morning before going to work and was intrigued. So, full disclosure, before I comment on some of your statements, let me get one bias out of the way first. Nearly every time I see one of these threads I find that it's coming from this group of disaffected men.

ok, so I was watching spongebob because my Dad hates that show and I wanted to spite him.

Right here you've shown yourself to be vindictive and removed yourself from the somewhat-capable-of-objectivity club. I hope that doesn't sound too rude; it just sounds thoroughly adolescent.

Anyway, a commercial came up for some shoes, were a bunch of boys were in a soccer match with a bunch of generic girls, and the mascot says sarcastically, "ready to give up, girls?" Then, one of the generic girls, which is meant to represent girls in general, remember,cheats by turning off the lights, at which point the boys shoes light up bla bla bla. But the general potrayal of girls is as weak, cheating, epic fail prone losers, whereas the boys are strong, athletic, great, fabulous, athletes. Pretty bad, right?

But I'm lying. The genders are switched around. So it has to be equally bad.

The frequency with which an offense is committed doesn't define the severity, but rather the nature. Yes, this is "equally bad." What's much worse is that we are told from everyone that girls aren't as good at sports, aren't as competitive, and aren't really as good at anything other than nurturing, cooking and whoring. This is instilled in us before we even start talking. There is no equivalent bias against men. There are biases against men, and if you've yet joined the workforce you may have already butted heads with it, but there are plenty more biases there against women, at least women who aren't inclined to suck their way up the corporate ladder.

All I'm saying is that there has to be a double standard. Otherwise, men will be being called perverts if they so much as glance at a woman. Plus, you do realise that men are raped too? Why isn't THAT big news?

I would say "let the girls have their trite commercial," except that that commercial isn't doing women any favors either. It's part of the insipid world of marketing governed by cynical, unintelligent fuckups who think that everyone, most especially women, are stupid. Ever see a guy trying really hard to get into a girl's pants by insincerely kissing her ass? Ever see one of the 95% of rom-coms out there that are bat-shit stupid? That's what you're seeing. Ever watch a McDonald's commercial on BET? Shift demographics. It's the same damned thing.

And yes, men are raped. In prison. By other men. Outside of prison, reported rapes of women by other women usually number in the single digits, if I'm correct, and reported rapes of men by anyone are virtually unheard of. Meanwhile, rape of women by men, out in the free world, is reported by the thousands every year. I suspect the reason it isn't bigger news is that prison is a business and the state benefits from said business, and would rather not have the vast shortcomings, to put it lightly, of said system, be a part of the public discourse.

Another example is a movie that came out a few months ago, and did reasonably well. It was about two men trying to help a hot girl, but they end up having to be helped by her. What if the positions were reversed? Two girls try to help a muscular, handsome man, but end up being ditzy and having to be helped by the manly man.

Firstly, without at least the title of the movie, I can't give you an opinion, since I have no idea which film you're talking about. It sounds like what I was discussing above, or it may be addressing the very real form of sexism in Western culture wherein we guys try to care for our weak little flowers of civilization. Or it may be both. Other than sheer stupidity, I don't find anything wrong with this film based on your description. If the roles were reversed I'd say the same thing.

I am simply pointing out that you have to pay attention to both ends of the spectrum. There is a lot of work to do on both sides, and I'm just trying to help.

I couldn't agree more. Good on you for putting your thoughts out there even though it may have attracted a few flames.

"It may have attracted a few flames." Including this one. An intelligent flame is a flame nonetheless. Actaully all I care about is that you didn't get that the spongebob thing was a joke. If you can't understand sarcasm, civilazation had failed.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Yeaah...no, your arguments seemed to be isolated incidents as well as being particularly vague and thoroughly unconvincing. I really have no idea what's triggering this, but I swear I see more and more males, most prevelantly on the Internet bitching about this 'it's only sexist/racsit when a white man does it' and such other tripe. You really don't know how lucky you have it, so stop being so paranoid, notice that societal, media and corporate views towards minorities are still being held in lower regard, accept while there are a few double standards that favour women, far FAR more of them favour men and most of all....

Its not often but when men are raped and in the event we are brutally tortured and dismembered women seem to find this funny. I dont know why. This is what makes me angry.

Case and point. The event where that man got captured, tied up, force fed drugs, starved, and raped over and over and over for 4 days? Many women on TV and i knew and on the internet said this was hilarious.

That chat show where they laughed on tv (totally ok) about that man whos penis was chopped off and blended for wanted a divorce. When told it was sexist they went "its just different for men" [when they are brutally assaulted and dismembered]. This physically sickens me. The media seems ok with sexism toward men. To the extreme. Try and imagine a man laughing at a rape, sorry a kidnap imprisonment drugging serial rape, or an instance where a womans breasts were removed and blended in front of her on TELEVISION and it was APPROVED and ENCOURAGED. Can you? There would be fucking riots.

Better examples please. "That one time when something bad happened" doesn't make your examples easy to google. First of all, only catty, bitchy, only-biologically female people laugh when an innocent person gets mutilated or maimed in any way. John Wayne Bobbit was an accused rapist, and I too laughed at all of the jokes about his dick getting cut off. I also laughed when he tried to become a porn star after being acquitted, and I further laughed when I heard that he had to take an assload of drugs to get it up, and that it wasn't really impressive. But I stopped laughing when the rape allegation was confirmed. John Wayne Bobbit was later convicted of raping a second woman. So yeah, the idea of him losing his junk is A-fuckin'-OK with me. Have you read/seen Sin City? Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez are both dudes, but they both used two separate gratuitous hard-R scenes of dick separation involving a child rapist. Were you offended when Bruce Willis' Butch cut up the hillbilly rapist in Pulp Fiction? Or, immediately after, when Ving Rhames' Marcellus Wallace blew the other perp's nuts off with a shotgun? Neither did I. It was exactly the catharsis that the film needed after all that lead up to it.

Let the catty bitches have their stupid dick-in-a-blender jokes, and let the rest of us laugh at John Wayne Rapist Bobbit.

Heres the video.


Its not the fact 6 insanely bitchy evil women are laughing at it. Its the fact that the audience laughs as well. And that an ENTIRE media corperation looked at this and thought "this is ok", "this is appropriate" "what these women are saying is funny" and NO ONE has raised ANY issue with it at all. None. It wasnt pulled. No apology. No kind of recognition it was sick. I dont understand. Its sick, allowed and the audience loves it like blood thirsty savages screaming for the next male sacrifice to be tortured and dismembered. Im shocked. And appalled.

Id say there are at least 100 women taking perverse pleasure in the extreme pain and torture of another human being. Not counting those at home. People who enjoy and revel in the suffering of others like this, so much as to televise them enjoying it should be institutionalized.

"Better examples?" - The idea is double standard. ill show you something allowed, then you have to show me it would be allowed for men, or its a double standard. I'm not even targeting directly these women. Its more society seeing this as ok, but not the other way around. Not for a second. If this happened the other way around these harpies would take to the street and rip men apart in fury.

 

[funguy2121]

"It may have attracted a few flames." Including this one. An intelligent flame is a flame nonetheless. Actaully all I care about is that you didn't get that the spongebob thing was a joke. If you can't understand sarcasm, civilazation had failed.

Tone cannot always be effectively conveyed in print. You got my honest reaction, ending in the first half of the sentence you put in quotes above, which was a complement.

 

[funguy2121]

Yeaah...no, your arguments seemed to be isolated incidents as well as being particularly vague and thoroughly unconvincing. I really have no idea what's triggering this, but I swear I see more and more males, most prevelantly on the Internet bitching about this 'it's only sexist/racsit when a white man does it' and such other tripe. You really don't know how lucky you have it, so stop being so paranoid, notice that societal, media and corporate views towards minorities are still being held in lower regard, accept while there are a few double standards that favour women, far FAR more of them favour men and most of all....

Its not often but when men are raped and in the event we are brutally tortured and dismembered women seem to find this funny. I dont know why. This is what makes me angry.

Case and point. The event where that man got captured, tied up, force fed drugs, starved, and raped over and over and over for 4 days? Many women on TV and i knew and on the internet said this was hilarious.

That chat show where they laughed on tv (totally ok) about that man whos penis was chopped off and blended for wanted a divorce. When told it was sexist they went "its just different for men" [when they are brutally assaulted and dismembered]. This physically sickens me. The media seems ok with sexism toward men. To the extreme. Try and imagine a man laughing at a rape, sorry a kidnap imprisonment drugging serial rape, or an instance where a womans breasts were removed and blended in front of her on TELEVISION and it was APPROVED and ENCOURAGED. Can you? There would be fucking riots.

Better examples please. "That one time when something bad happened" doesn't make your examples easy to google. First of all, only catty, bitchy, only-biologically female people laugh when an innocent person gets mutilated or maimed in any way. John Wayne Bobbit was an accused rapist, and I too laughed at all of the jokes about his dick getting cut off. I also laughed when he tried to become a porn star after being acquitted, and I further laughed when I heard that he had to take an assload of drugs to get it up, and that it wasn't really impressive. But I stopped laughing when the rape allegation was confirmed. John Wayne Bobbit was later convicted of raping a second woman. So yeah, the idea of him losing his junk is A-fuckin'-OK with me. Have you read/seen Sin City? Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez are both dudes, but they both used two separate gratuitous hard-R scenes of dick separation involving a child rapist. Were you offended when Bruce Willis' Butch cut up the hillbilly rapist in Pulp Fiction? Or, immediately after, when Ving Rhames' Marcellus Wallace blew the other perp's nuts off with a shotgun? Neither did I. It was exactly the catharsis that the film needed after all that lead up to it.

Let the catty bitches have their stupid dick-in-a-blender jokes, and let the rest of us laugh at John Wayne Rapist Bobbit.

Heres the video.


Its not the fact 6 insanely bitchy evil women are laughing at it. Its the fact that the audience laughs as well. And that an ENTIRE media corperation looked at this and thought "this is ok", "this is appropriate" "what these women are saying is funny" and NO ONE has raised ANY issue with it at all. None. It wasnt pulled. No apology. No kind of recognition it was sick. I dont understand. Its sick, allowed and the audience loves it like blood thirsty savages screaming for the next male sacrifice to be tortured and dismembered. Im shocked. And appalled.

Id say there are at least 100 women taking perverse pleasure in the extreme pain and torture of another human being. Not counting those at home. People who enjoy and revel in the suffering of others like this, so much as to televise them enjoying it should be institutionalized.

"Better examples?" - The idea is double standard. ill show you something allowed, then you have to show me it would be allowed for men, or its a double standard. I'm not even targeting directly these women. Its more society seeing this as ok, but not the other way around. Not for a second. If this happened the other way around these harpies would take to the street and rip men apart in fury.

You should calm down. By "better examples" I meant clearer examples, and you clarified. Did you not notice that Sarah Gilbert protested?

The Osbournes are all shit. Aside from "War Pigs," Ozzie's given us nothing but the inspiration for more redneck babies, and everyone knows his wife is an talentless opportunist.

Have you not see The View before, or watched a rom-com or a tampon commercial? This isn't even women's entertainment, it's entertainment for stupid bitches. It's raw consumable material for the sort of people who pay others to tell them how to act and think. I'll repeat this, because you seem to have missed it the first time around: aside from Sarah Gilbert (who also gets points for giving us one of the earliest, and one of the best masturbation jokes in a sitcom ever), none of these "harpies" or "cunts" have earned the right to be called a woman. They are not indicative of how the majority, or even the mainstream, of women think.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Yeaah...no, your arguments seemed to be isolated incidents as well as being particularly vague and thoroughly unconvincing. I really have no idea what's triggering this, but I swear I see more and more males, most prevelantly on the Internet bitching about this 'it's only sexist/racsit when a white man does it' and such other tripe. You really don't know how lucky you have it, so stop being so paranoid, notice that societal, media and corporate views towards minorities are still being held in lower regard, accept while there are a few double standards that favour women, far FAR more of them favour men and most of all....

Its not often but when men are raped and in the event we are brutally tortured and dismembered women seem to find this funny. I dont know why. This is what makes me angry.

Case and point. The event where that man got captured, tied up, force fed drugs, starved, and raped over and over and over for 4 days? Many women on TV and i knew and on the internet said this was hilarious.

That chat show where they laughed on tv (totally ok) about that man whos penis was chopped off and blended for wanted a divorce. When told it was sexist they went "its just different for men" [when they are brutally assaulted and dismembered]. This physically sickens me. The media seems ok with sexism toward men. To the extreme. Try and imagine a man laughing at a rape, sorry a kidnap imprisonment drugging serial rape, or an instance where a womans breasts were removed and blended in front of her on TELEVISION and it was APPROVED and ENCOURAGED. Can you? There would be fucking riots.

Better examples please. "That one time when something bad happened" doesn't make your examples easy to google. First of all, only catty, bitchy, only-biologically female people laugh when an innocent person gets mutilated or maimed in any way. John Wayne Bobbit was an accused rapist, and I too laughed at all of the jokes about his dick getting cut off. I also laughed when he tried to become a porn star after being acquitted, and I further laughed when I heard that he had to take an assload of drugs to get it up, and that it wasn't really impressive. But I stopped laughing when the rape allegation was confirmed. John Wayne Bobbit was later convicted of raping a second woman. So yeah, the idea of him losing his junk is A-fuckin'-OK with me. Have you read/seen Sin City? Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez are both dudes, but they both used two separate gratuitous hard-R scenes of dick separation involving a child rapist. Were you offended when Bruce Willis' Butch cut up the hillbilly rapist in Pulp Fiction? Or, immediately after, when Ving Rhames' Marcellus Wallace blew the other perp's nuts off with a shotgun? Neither did I. It was exactly the catharsis that the film needed after all that lead up to it.

Let the catty bitches have their stupid dick-in-a-blender jokes, and let the rest of us laugh at John Wayne Rapist Bobbit.

Heres the video.


Its not the fact 6 insanely bitchy evil women are laughing at it. Its the fact that the audience laughs as well. And that an ENTIRE media corperation looked at this and thought "this is ok", "this is appropriate" "what these women are saying is funny" and NO ONE has raised ANY issue with it at all. None. It wasnt pulled. No apology. No kind of recognition it was sick. I dont understand. Its sick, allowed and the audience loves it like blood thirsty savages screaming for the next male sacrifice to be tortured and dismembered. Im shocked. And appalled.

Id say there are at least 100 women taking perverse pleasure in the extreme pain and torture of another human being. Not counting those at home. People who enjoy and revel in the suffering of others like this, so much as to televise them enjoying it should be institutionalized.

"Better examples?" - The idea is double standard. ill show you something allowed, then you have to show me it would be allowed for men, or its a double standard. I'm not even targeting directly these women. Its more society seeing this as ok, but not the other way around. Not for a second. If this happened the other way around these harpies would take to the street and rip men apart in fury.

You should calm down. By "better examples" I meant clearer examples, and you clarified. Did you not notice that Sarah Gilbert protested?

The Osbournes are all shit. Aside from "War Pigs," Ozzie's given us nothing but the inspiration for more redneck babies, and everyone knows his wife is an talentless opportunist.

Have you not see The View before, or watched a rom-com or a tampon commercial? This isn't even women's entertainment, it's entertainment for stupid bitches. It's raw consumable material for the sort of people who pay others to tell them how to act and think. I'll repeat this, because you seem to have missed it the first time around: aside from Sarah Gilbert (who also gets points for giving us one of the earliest, and one of the best masturbation jokes in a sitcom ever), none of these "harpies" or "cunts" have earned the right to be called a woman. They are not indicative of how the majority, or even the mainstream, of women think.

They are indicative of what the media and thus society deems acceptable to say and broadcast Even if you are not laughing, thinking of this as even "acceptable" is a horrific morale crime. And apparently a lot of women did. And men. For some reason. Im not even attacking women here, or even THESE women. Im attacking a society in which this is allowed to be broadcast as entertainment. I know like NO women would laugh at this. But would they complain? Would they fight with the same furor if the genders were reversed? No. I guess most would think "Thats a bit sick" and then be like "but its not worth complaining about". The reversed role i can definitely see causing a LOT of anger. Protests of the station at the VERY least. It makes me angry how not even men are willing to stand up against this because society decided we cant be offended by sexism. Ever. Feminist groups will always throw an absolute fit if anything like this pops up against them, but when it happens to men its pure silence.