Sexsim: have the tables actually turned?

[Radelaide]

parental rights is an area women have an advantage over men. women are far more likely to be given custody and men are much more harshly dealt with over child support payments. in the legal world men face far harsher punishment then women, especially for sex crimes. (recently here in AUS a women who has sex with 4 boys aged under 16 escaped jail time because of her situation, it was very quickly brought up had the offender been male he would very likely be looking at a very long prison sentence)

ohh and dont get me started on tennis, take the US open, prize for winner both men and women 1.8 million, men play best of 5 sets, women play best of 3. its illegal in a lot of places to pay women less for the same work as men but women being paid the same for less work is alright... go figure

a long standing saying in the equality between sexes argument, women want to be equal, but only when it suits them

Sorry, what? Better explanation please!

 

[2xDouble]

I'd note that the education system in many western nations is geared towards women as well. I'm a sophomore in university, and i remember the average enrollment in all of the colleges i applied to being something in the area of 55% women to 45% men, sometimes reaching as high as 60% women. As far as i'm aware, men and women are neurologically predisposed to favor particular styles of learning. (i read this article a while back and don't remember the particular one, so you'll have to forgive me for not citing sources). GENERALLY, women tend to learn more collaboratively and men tend to learn more especially with physical aids. The modern education system tends to favor the female learning style more.

But of course we tend to ignore this because it's not women who get the short end of the stick.

What you're talking about is summed up pretty nicely in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvrzMpHJwQ

Im not sure I totally buy the end of the video, which was basically saying "woman can't and WONT ever do anything meaningful for hunamity, genius is strictly a male thing"

Name one slightly significant thing invented by a woman. Go on, I'll wait.

I'm not sure what it exactly is, but I think testosterone is the big driver here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie

Credit is given where it's due. Always has been.

Boy, that was easy.

 

[Guilherme Zoldan]

Im just gona sit back and enjoy the hatestorm now. Excuse me. *sets up a comfy chair and some coke*
Honestly I just think its an ass for everybody and we should try to make stuff more equal. But its fun to see both sides ***** about how they have it worse to no end.

Also, really? You really think that women had the same oportunities to be researchers and inventors as men did?
Wow, can you tell me how you learned to breathe on mars?

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

I'd note that the education system in many western nations is geared towards women as well. I'm a sophomore in university, and i remember the average enrollment in all of the colleges i applied to being something in the area of 55% women to 45% men, sometimes reaching as high as 60% women. As far as i'm aware, men and women are neurologically predisposed to favor particular styles of learning. (i read this article a while back and don't remember the particular one, so you'll have to forgive me for not citing sources). GENERALLY, women tend to learn more collaboratively and men tend to learn more especially with physical aids. The modern education system tends to favor the female learning style more.

But of course we tend to ignore this because it's not women who get the short end of the stick.

What you're talking about is summed up pretty nicely in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvrzMpHJwQ

Im not sure I totally buy the end of the video, which was basically saying "woman can't and WONT ever do anything meaningful for hunamity, genius is strictly a male thing"

Name one slightly significant thing invented by a woman. Go on, I'll wait.

I'm not sure what it exactly is, but I think testosterone is the big driver here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie

Credit is given where it's due. Always has been.

Boy, that was easy.

While she did make advances in her field (Like plenty of women are doing), she didn't "invent" anything per se. Like I said before, women are good at adapting to the world men create.

So no, I'm not contradicting myself if that's what you're implying.

Also, really? You really think that women had the same oportunities to be researchers and inventors as men did?
Wow, can you tell me how you learned to breathe on mars?

I hope that wasn't directed at me.

 

[Vault101]

I'd note that the education system in many western nations is geared towards women as well. I'm a sophomore in university, and i remember the average enrollment in all of the colleges i applied to being something in the area of 55% women to 45% men, sometimes reaching as high as 60% women. As far as i'm aware, men and women are neurologically predisposed to favor particular styles of learning. (i read this article a while back and don't remember the particular one, so you'll have to forgive me for not citing sources). GENERALLY, women tend to learn more collaboratively and men tend to learn more especially with physical aids. The modern education system tends to favor the female learning style more.

But of course we tend to ignore this because it's not women who get the short end of the stick.

What you're talking about is summed up pretty nicely in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvrzMpHJwQ

Im not sure I totally buy the end of the video, which was basically saying "woman can't and WONT ever do anything meaningful for hunamity, genius is strictly a male thing"

Name one slightly significant thing invented by a woman. Go on, I'll wait.

I'm not sure what it exactly is, but I think testosterone is the big driver here.

well mabye you have to look at other things other than "women never did any of the big inventions..see!! SEE!! man are smarter!!"

like ok, back then a women would be less likley to get that kind of education, for obvious reasons and even if they did even less likley to pursue such an acedemic feild or pursiut, (because we all knew back then youre a women, you must end up with a man, tis the way of things)

and you cant deny back then that men probably wouldnt have given a women scientist/inventor all much respect "a women inventor? haw haw my good man what an outragous Idea! *adjusts monocle and takes a sip of brandy*"

and going on one of your points as far as all the big inventions go...somtimes its not all about the talent and dedication..its the "competitive" factcor and alot of geniuses got left out of the spotlight (corrent me if Im wrong but it seems Eddison was kind of a hack..a genius hack at least)

but the main issue here is that for some reason women dont do the hard sciences...is this a biological thing OR could it be cultrual? Im no expert so I have no Idea but...well just saying, I dont think women any any stupider than men in general, mabye we just have more "smarts" in different areas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie

Credit is given where it's due. Always has been.

And you might not know this but the biggest and brightest minds in human history come from little to no formal education (Da Vinci, the Wright brothers, Edison, and the list goes on).

You might also ask yourself why women don't pursue the same fields that men do - It's because they simply do not want to. Men and women's brains simply work different from each other.

We're not different because were raised certain ways, men and women are simply two different entities.

well it can happen cant it?

but to be honest I do wonder if cultrually "stuff that suposed to apeal to girls" is doing women

any favors, I look at alot of things made to apeal to females (and the stuff the sends the message "this is what you shoudl be") and the fucking stupidness of it makes my head hurt

or mabye they thrive on that kind of shit

anyway basterdising the education systm isnt doing ANYONE any favors, regardless of gender

 

[Pontus Hashis]

I get insulted almost dayly just for being a male =/
It's kind of annoying... Espcialy since I'm trying to help some of my female friends to be a little more free from steroetypes, at the same time.

 

[tyriless]

Misogyny is still alive and well, at least in the United States, and you don't have to look at this internet forum to prove that. Our corporate, political, and social leaders overwhelmingly have a Y chromosome so this culture is predominantly a patriarchy. This wouldn't be bad in itself except watch when a woman runs for political office and listen to what is said about her. She's a harpy, a shrew, a *****, a ball buster: these are all reserved for any woman that wants to be taken seriously by the public or wants to sacrifice a social life for an actual career.
I dig feminism. It's not some lesbo boogey-*****, coming to cut your balls off. It's about equal rights, equal pay, and equal respect for women. Nothing is wrong with that.

 

[tyriless]

Outside of few traditional feminine fields, most of the workforce is men and will stay that way while its all men doing the hiring and promotions.

 

[2xDouble]

While she did make advances in her field (Like plenty of women are doing), she didn't "invent" anything per se. Like I said before, women are good at adapting to the world men create.

So no, I'm not contradicting myself if that's what you're implying.

Actually, you are. You claim that women don't have the ability to innovate, but instead adapt to creations and machinations of men. Therefore men explicitly control the ideas and "world" as it is, by setting the rules and mechanics of it. Women cannot change the rules, therefore they can never be superior to men: no matter how good women are at adapting, men can always undo or remake it.

Every one of your other arguments are supposedly to prove feminine superiority and advantage, but this, your own argument, disallows that possibility. Therefore you have contradicted yourself.

Also: You don't consider Radiology, an entire school of science, a significant invention?

 

[tyriless]

-We're not judged on our appearance nearly as much
-Addendum... we age better in the eyes of society (except for Valerie Bertinelli, dayum)
-We can get away with being mediocre and/or lazy
-We don't have periods (but some of us have PMS)
-Child bearing and child rearing is infinitely more burdensome on women, though due to natural biological differences, this is mostly just natural.
-We are sexually potent throughout life, from puberty to grave
-We have such an easier time with physical health. We can lose fat and gain muscle way more easily, and tend to suffer from weakness symptoms far less often
-We can eat a lot more without worrying about gaining weight

Your list rocks hard.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Misogyny is still alive and well, at least in the United States, and you don't have to look at this internet forum to prove that. Our corporate, political, and social leaders overwhelmingly have a Y chromosome so this culture is predominantly a patriarchy. This wouldn't be bad in itself except watch when a woman runs for political office and listen to what is said about her. She's a harpy, a shrew, a *****, a ball buster: these are all reserved for any woman that wants to be taken seriously by the public or wants to sacrifice a social life for an actual career.

You'll note the criticisms of their appearance or clothes as well. That's not even tangentially related to their job.

 

[Phasmal]

OP: `I know who I will ask about gender inequality! Gamers! Their commitment to gender equality is legendary!` /facepalm.
No, men still dont have it harder, despite `affirmative action``, despite all the `feminazis` trying to spoil their fun.

I honestly dont know why people ask questions like this to a community known for its `delicate` approach to gender politics.

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

While she did make advances in her field (Like plenty of women are doing), she didn't "invent" anything per se. Like I said before, women are good at adapting to the world men create.

So no, I'm not contradicting myself if that's what you're implying.

Actually, you are. You claim that women don't have the ability to innovate, but instead adapt to creations and machinations of men. Therefore men explicitly control the ideas and "world" as it is, by setting the rules and mechanics of it. Women cannot change the rules, therefore they can never be superior to men: no matter how good women are at adapting, men can always undo or remake it.

Every one of your other arguments are supposedly to prove feminine superiority and advantage, but this, your own argument, disallows that possibility. Therefore you have contradicted yourself.

Also: You don't consider Radiology, an entire school of science, a significant invention?

I've never stated that women do not posses the ability to innovate, it's just that their "inventions" pale in comparison to that of men's to the point where they're not even worth mentioning.

But if it's true that radiology was something created by women then color me impressed.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

No, we aren't. Women still have to deal with shit that men don't have to, and you can't say the same about the opposite. I have no idea why everyone on the internet is so against feminism.

Actually yesterday i was talking to a friend about why lesbianism is more accepted than homosexual males in a community. Its when i realised this: Male sexuality is taught to be disgusting and vulgar. Female sexuality is encouraged, get in touch with an inner you people cry, its ok to be open with your feelings. If a man does the same its taught as creepy and weak, they are taught attraction to women is a carefully controlled thing they must never act apon ever unless specifically asked, our sexuality is something we cant explore, not really. Its taught to us that we cant express ourselves in certain ways from birth. Women are taught they can do anything they want, and the world is theirs. Men are taught a strict set of rules for their sexuality and expressing it.

I'd say we're more equal now than we've ever been, and getting increasingly more so all the time. Dudes bitching about women getting more rights and the feminist movement are just pissed that they have to share and that their lives aren't as easy as they used to be.

Sorry but I have to link this. Apparently a media corperation and an entire audience PLUS these filthy harpies thought this was appropriate:

Yep they laughed at the brutal cold blooded mutilation and torture of a man just because he was a man. You could not do that to a women with a group of men. Ever. There would be riots, that show would be gone, the actor disgraced, protests and hate letters to the man, court hearings, news reports ECT ECT. This? She gave a very sarcastic sorry and no one gave a single fuck. If thats not sexist i dont know what is.


I have a very feminist friend. I really like her. I hear her stand up for misandry as much as misogeny and she agrees sexism to men might not be as rampant but its definately not treated with the same severity at all. In fact its actively encouraged in places.

She laughed as she apologised. The show continues to run and no group has said anything at all.

Im applying for uni next year. Lets look at how the uni takes students. It WILL TAKE THE

Top % of girls, regardless of how good they are, every man could be better and they will stillt take these people first.

10 Students from abroad per course

Top % ethnic minorities.

And the rest the actual top 10% of everyone. Some people get a garenteed place just because of gender and minority because the uni doesnt want to look racist or sexist. Ironically making them sexist and racist. But in a way society doesnt care about.

 

[Sentox6]

i feel like this should be mentioned.
they banned men sitting next to children. No joke.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10357510

I really hate my country.

What I do find interesting is the oft-asserted claim that "women are paid less than men for the equivalent work". Putting aside the arguments over salary vs wage (data can be produced to support both 'sides' of the argument), I simply don't find this plausible, since it relies upon the implication that capitalist greed is overwhelmed by patriarchal hegemony. Consider: apparently we live in a male-dominated capitalist society. Now, if women are indeed as capable as man in any given job, then what we have is a group of workers who can produce equivalent output at a lower price. Yet I'm supposed to believe that the male capitalists employing labour are so sexist that they would forgo an opportunity to increase their profit?

Well, I don't. The logical conclusion, therefore, is that workplaces should be largely occupied by female workers. Equivalent output, reduced input prices. Yet that's not the case, so I see only three possible conclusions.

1) Endemic sexism really is stronger than the profit motive.
2) Women are not, in terms of the more common occupations within society, as capable as men.
3) Women are not actually underpaid on average.

The first is laughable. The second cannot really be argued outside of specific examples (obviously there are roles where men and women excel versus each other, but in general?). So...

 

[Thaluikhain]

OP: `I know who I will ask about gender inequality! Gamers! Their commitment to gender equality is legendary!` /facepalm.

Heh, you might be onto something there.

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

Misogyny is still alive and well, at least in the United States, and you don't have to look at this internet forum to prove that. Our corporate, political, and social leaders overwhelmingly have a Y chromosome so this culture is predominantly a patriarchy. This wouldn't be bad in itself except watch when a woman runs for political office and listen to what is said about her. She's a harpy, a shrew, a *****, a ball buster: these are all reserved for any woman that wants to be taken seriously by the public or wants to sacrifice a social life for an actual career.
I dig feminism. It's not some lesbo boogey-*****, coming to cut your balls off. It's about equal rights, equal pay, and equal respect for women. Nothing is wrong with that.

Feminism has proven to be nothing but poison for western civilization.

I highly recommend that you watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkVWz0uXiEA

 

[Phasmal]

While she did make advances in her field (Like plenty of women are doing), she didn't "invent" anything per se. Like I said before, women are good at adapting to the world men create.

So no, I'm not contradicting myself if that's what you're implying.

Actually, you are. You claim that women don't have the ability to innovate, but instead adapt to creations and machinations of men. Therefore men explicitly control the ideas and "world" as it is, by setting the rules and mechanics of it. Women cannot change the rules, therefore they can never be superior to men: no matter how good women are at adapting, men can always undo or remake it.

Every one of your other arguments are supposedly to prove feminine superiority and advantage, but this, your own argument, disallows that possibility. Therefore you have contradicted yourself.

Also: You don't consider Radiology, an entire school of science, a significant invention?

I've never stated that women do not posses the ability to innovate, it's just that their "inventions" pale in comparison to that of men's to the point where they're not even worth mentioning.

But if it's true that radiology was something created by women then color me impressed.

Do you not consider the fact that men have like a few thousand years on us because we weren't ALLOWED to invent anything? Just a thought.

 

[Angelus SnV]

what do i think of sexisim? mostly this:

Spoiler: not my words, but th'basic sentiment i agree with

 

[Heroic One]

The patriarchy is a very real thing and you're either ignorant or a jackass if you don't admit it.