...is that really a good enough excuse, though? 'We can see her cleavage because she's got attitude!'? We don't have weather reports to tell us what the temperature is like in various parts of Ferelden (I'm not sure if anyone mentions it. been years since I played DA:O), but I'm not sure her attire is overly practical; better to be alive and warm, than at risk of death-by-exposure and 'seductive'.TravelerSF said:
To be fair, I thought Witcher 2 did this MUCH better than Witcher 1 if nothing else. One thing that really bothered me about Witcher 1 was the fact that the female character designs almost ignored the lore. Tris, for example, had this monstrous cleavage unlike anything I've seen before. It was unreal. Except in the books, she never wore a cleavage. It was a PTSD thing. So at least they fixed that in the second game.Darth Rosenberg said:
Just out of curiosity, who gets to determine when and for what topics certain opinions are less valid than others? And who gave that person the authority to make said judgement over other people's opinions?Vault101 said:
I might've worded that a tad poorly. I meant that I'm okay with her looks (practically bare chested) because they are in sync with her characteristics, personality and attitude (someone who uses every mean possible to deceive people. So why wouldn't she use one of the easiest and simplest ways to give herself an edge over certain types of men?)Darth Rosenberg said:
Just out of curiosity, who gets to determine when and for what topics certain opinions are less valid than others? And who gave that person the authority to make said judgement over other people's opinions?RJ 17 said:
I would kind of agree with this, but kinda not. Even though her sexuality doesn't come into play even in her romance, there is some attempt at sexualization with appearance as a zerg, but like with everything with the zerg it is very perverted(not in the sexual meaning) from its original intent. She has the form, but it comes out looking more like a diagram of the human skeletal - muscular system and I was never one to wank off to my 9th grade biology book. I guess you could say she takes nudity too far. XDAvaholic03 said:
Her outfit makes perfect sense in the "she uses her looks to get what she wants" -regard. Just being attractive gives you an advantage in basically every human interaction. So looking good whenever you have to interact with people is a very big bart of using your looks to get what you want.AntiChri5 said:
Exactly. I often think people who call her a sexist character are the sexist ones, because they are the ones reducing her to her looks. Bioware never did that, they just made a strong and awesome female character that happens to also look hot as hell.Hixy said:
You are not sure whether a character wearing basically the proverbial chainmail bikini is sexualized at all? Please.Khanht Cope said:
Indeed. Maybe the poster confused "sexualized" with "attractive", which are two very different pairs of shoes. Well, at least for some. As for myself, there's little overlap between both groups of game characters. I just don't find the cheap porn aesthetic that is usually used to sexualize female characters not very attractive; quite the opposite.Darth Rosenberg said:
That's exactly what I said, though? I called it 'The Witcher', so maybe you thought I was referring to the series sexism, as opposed to the first game's (I've not read the books, btw).Johny_X2 said:
Yeah, I get that, and I'm not trying to call you a raging sexist 'cause clearly you're not. But couldn't there be better ways of tying her character design into her character? Must 'I always get what I want' always translate to 'look at my tits!' for female characters?TravelerSF said:
I can get that, and it's problematic, sure, but it didn't stop me loving the game. All in all, Dragon Age Origins does handle its female characters (and designs) better.
And that's the sad part about it, some characters are likable but a part of me also knows "this is not realistic and may be systematic of something"Coruptin said:
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Yeah, but she was certainly dressed for herself, not to be sexual. She thought it was weird and uncomfortable to have people staring at her breasts. She didn't dress with the intention of drawing attention to herself. The game artists maybe thought differently, but it was the writers that pulled her through. It's almost as if she was raised with the idea in mind that breasts are not sex objects, despite her mother training her to some day impregnate herself. Though it actually makes sense, considering the fact she spent so little time around many people and half the stuff people do baffles her.Gypsyssilver said:
The odd thing about Eva's females is that they are extremes of established fetishes/tropes used for anime females, somewhat for deconstruction and somewhat for fetish. Rei is a kuudere, a person who is cold but with a nice side. Storywise, we actually see what would cause a person to become so cold and passive. Asuka however is a demonstration of the type of trauma and life that would cause a person to be so violent and push people away in the way exhibited. Misato is supposed to be the bubbly older sister but is actually very broken and her fun loving behavior may be a facade for her sadness. Mari Makinami Illustrious(the new girl) is an odd one, A theory is that she is a deconstruction of the type of person that Eva fan would want a pilot to be: crazy, gimmicky outfit, sweet but a blood knight in combat. It may be like how Anno criticized the otaku community for it's objectification of women with the hospital scene and the conversations with AsukaDaniel Ferguson said:
