Sexy "Power Armor", am I 'juvenile' for liking it? (a response to recent Kill La Kill concepts)

[joshthor]

dont worry about what you like. its what you like. maybe dont show it to your grandma or be in a relationship of a cardboard cut out, but the simple fact that you are wary of the social concerns of the interest shows you shouldnt really be concerned about it. I mean, you COULD be a discusting man-child but based off of this I have no idea.

That being said, I really like skimpy armor in video games and i dont care about realistic functionality. although the armor that you showed i think looks stupid :/ sorry.

 

[Skull Bearer]

This is problematic. It tells us nothing about the character, is it useless as armour and all we can take from it is that the makers have a very low opinion of their audience.

But if you like it, that's fine. I'm a fairly solid radfem, and I like stuff that's sexist and whatever. The main difference is that you can accept that this is sexist. Problematic doesn't mean you automatically have to hate everything. The show could be great, I have no idea, but this section lets it down.

 

[wulf3n]

I'm sure there are different sorts, but since power armour as I just described most closely fits the physical definition of power (energy consumed in order to do work) and 'power armour' that refers to a swimsuit with a magic spell on it that protects the wearer from any harm have essentially nothing in common and no reason to fall under the same term, doesn't it make more sense to call the classical powered armour 'power armour', and the invincibility bikini something like 'magical armour'? Surely that makes some bit of sense.

I have no problem with using more specific descriptors, but not using broad descriptors to mean a specific thing. Like power armour referring only to powered mechanical armour suits.

Actually, can we just call that thing an invincibility bikini? It has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

It certainly fits the magical theme better.

Type in Powered Armor in the wiki search bar at the top, it will direct you right back to Powered Exoskeleton, as they are the same thing.

Power armour assumes some level of protection though, while powered exoskeleton simply involves power assisted movement.

 

[DefunctTheory]

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I think the power in power armour relates to the ability to move in the armour, rather than the protection it uses. Power armour is generally massively heavy and would be impossible for a human to move and fight in if it didn't supplement their strength with it's own mechanisms, controlled by the wearer's movements and powered by a seperate energy source in the suit. Fallout and 40k power armour both have these mechanisms because they weigh a serious amount, more than a human can carry. Commander Shepard's hardsuit is not power armour because it is actually fairly light and doesn't include mechanisms to support the wearer's ability to move in it.

While that's certainly a form of power armour, what I'm arguing is that it's not the sole form.

A swimsuit that happens to give its wearer the same protection as a suit of full-plate armour because magic is also not power armour because it does not use it's own mechanisms to support the wearer's ability to move in the suit.

What you're referring to sounds more like a powered exoskeleton [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_exoskeleton] than powered armour.

Type in Powered Armor in the wiki search bar at the top, it will direct you right back to Powered Exoskeleton, as they are the same thing.

OT: Everyone likes what they like. That armor Isnt power armor, but it is no worse than things in any number of other medias, shows, games, ect.

Now, if you want sexy powered armor

I present you the Glitter Girl from Rifts:

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I don't think that armor will be very effective against attacks from the rear.

 

[wulf3n]

Go look up power armor. Check every link. Look at every image. Are mechanical suits what come up everywhere you go? Is that somehow not enough for you, or do I have to do the impossible and prove an absolute statement for you to accept that your definition is just that, yours and no one else's and basically worthless?

by that logic this is power armour. It's a mechinical suit that comes up when you search "power armour"

Really, it was? Where? When? And, if it was, definitions change so it doesn't matter what a word meant the first time it was used, it matters what it means now.

you brought it up, not me. I was just agreeing with you.

Power armor refers to a very specific thing, and there's nothing that I've seen or that you seem capable of providing that says otherwise.

Convenience. A sense of community and culture. Things that someone too obsessed with only ever taking things literally might not care about.

You're right I don't care about those things. Having a language that is more accessible is more important.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

Ye gods, that looks awful. The proportions, the hair, the expression, and the "outfit". I don't think your being a manchild or not is as much of an issue as you seem to enjoy such an atrocious aesthetic.

Hey, you asked.

Also, what the heck does this have to do with you and your "small cult following" on deviantart.

 

[Random berk]

I'm sure there are different sorts, but since power armour as I just described most closely fits the physical definition of power (energy consumed in order to do work) and 'power armour' that refers to a swimsuit with a magic spell on it that protects the wearer from any harm have essentially nothing in common and no reason to fall under the same term, doesn't it make more sense to call the classical powered armour 'power armour', and the invincibility bikini something like 'magical armour'? Surely that makes some bit of sense.

I have no problem with using more specific descriptors, but not using broad descriptors to mean a specific thing. Like power armour referring only to powered mechanical armour suits.

Actually, can we just call that thing an invincibility bikini? It has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

It certainly fits the magical theme better.

Eh... maybe. Honestly, it's too late in the night to be getting into this conversation. Personally I just have a preference for armour that applies some sort of logic to how it functions, or if there's magic involved, that actually aims for real mysticism attached to the item, like the origins of Excalibur. If magic is just a throwaway excuse to let the outfit show as much skin as possible, then it seems cheap as well. And sure, I've probably found myself in the mood where I could support a franchise that features enchanted nipple tape as armour at points in the past, but I've never really found it to be more than empty sex appeal otherwise.

Now, I suspect that I'm just drooling whatever thoughts come into my head onto the keyboard at this point, so I'm off to get some sleep. If my current opinions on the topic make absolutely no sense, that's part of the reason.

 

[Sandjube]

Like whatever you like and all that, but like others have said in this thread, that ain't armour. And personally I'm getting very tired of that whole design, y'know, making some lingerie for the female characters, then making it metal and bam, apparently it's armour now. Yeah no.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Doesn't armour have to...

You know. Armour a person, to be considered armour.

That isn't armour, it's a pandering sexual fantasy.

Exactly. One bullet to the stomach and she is down. Kinda makes all that armour pointless as its just slower her down, might as well not wear it with such an obvious target area to aim for.

Except in the anime, she'll somehow shrug off a ton of damage, despite her incredibly flimsy attire. You know, just once I would like to see an anime/JRPG that kicks off with a character with an outfit insanely impractical for battle wielding some ridiculous weapon heading into battle and we think this is going to be the main character until moments they unexpectedly drop dead. Cue reveal that they have just been taken out by a sniper over 2km away. That's what you get went you enter battle dressed like your going to a cosplay gathering.

You should watch Darker Than Black. It has people with special powers but the fights are rather straightforward, usually if someone gets hit once, then they die. Not in the lame buzz kill way but in a, these people are professionals and know what they're doing way.

Doesn't armour have to...

You know. Armour a person, to be considered armour.

That isn't armour, it's a pandering sexual fantasy.

Exactly. One bullet to the stomach and she is down. Kinda makes all that armour pointless as its just slower her down, might as well not wear it with such an obvious target area to aim for.

Except in the anime, she'll somehow shrug off a ton of damage, despite her incredibly flimsy attire. You know, just once I would like to see an anime/JRPG that kicks off with a character with an outfit insanely impractical for battle wielding some ridiculous weapon heading into battle and we think this is going to be the main character until moments they unexpectedly drop dead. Cue reveal that they have just been taken out by a sniper over 2km away. That's what you get went you enter battle dressed like your going to a cosplay gathering.

Or that's what you get when you go into battle period. How does them being in impractical armour have anything to do with it? There is not a single type of personal protection known that can stop a 50cal so your example does not make much sense when the heavily armoured soldier dies the same gruesome death as the girl in slut armour.

Can people PLEASE stop referring to this as slut armor? If you have a problem with it then criticize the clothes, don't add on words that insult the actual character when you don't even know anything about them.

 

[wulf3n]

Eh... maybe. Honestly, it's too late in the night to be getting into this conversation. Personally I just have a preference for armour that applies some sort of logic to how it functions, or if there's magic involved, that actually aims for real mysticism attached to the item, like the origins of Excalibur. If magic is just a throwaway excuse to let the outfit show as much skin as possible, then it seems cheap as well. And sure, I've probably found myself in the mood where I could support a franchise that features enchanted nipple tape as armour at points in the past, but I've never really found it to be more than empty sex appeal otherwise.

Now, I suspect that I'm just drooling whatever thoughts come into my head onto the keyboard at this point, so I'm off to get some sleep. If my current opinions on the topic make absolutely no sense, that's part of the reason.

It makes sense and I agree with it. What I was arguing before is the use of a generic descriptor like "power armour" to only refer to a very specific thing.

It would be like science fiction being used to only describe stories that happen in the future.

 

[DefunctTheory]

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Doesn't armour have to...

You know. Armour a person, to be considered armour.

That isn't armour, it's a pandering sexual fantasy.

Exactly. One bullet to the stomach and she is down. Kinda makes all that armour pointless as its just slower her down, might as well not wear it with such an obvious target area to aim for.

Except in the anime, she'll somehow shrug off a ton of damage, despite her incredibly flimsy attire. You know, just once I would like to see an anime/JRPG that kicks off with a character with an outfit insanely impractical for battle wielding some ridiculous weapon heading into battle and we think this is going to be the main character until moments they unexpectedly drop dead. Cue reveal that they have just been taken out by a sniper over 2km away. That's what you get went you enter battle dressed like your going to a cosplay gathering.

You should watch Darker Than Black. It has people with special powers but the fights are rather straightforward, usually if someone gets hit once, then they die. Not in the lame buzz kill way but in a, these people are professionals and know what they're doing way.

Doesn't armour have to...

You know. Armour a person, to be considered armour.

That isn't armour, it's a pandering sexual fantasy.

Exactly. One bullet to the stomach and she is down. Kinda makes all that armour pointless as its just slower her down, might as well not wear it with such an obvious target area to aim for.

Except in the anime, she'll somehow shrug off a ton of damage, despite her incredibly flimsy attire. You know, just once I would like to see an anime/JRPG that kicks off with a character with an outfit insanely impractical for battle wielding some ridiculous weapon heading into battle and we think this is going to be the main character until moments they unexpectedly drop dead. Cue reveal that they have just been taken out by a sniper over 2km away. That's what you get went you enter battle dressed like your going to a cosplay gathering.

Or that's what you get when you go into battle period. How does them being in impractical armour have anything to do with it? There is not a single type of personal protection known that can stop a 50cal so your example does not make much sense when the heavily armoured soldier dies the same gruesome death as the girl in slut armour.

Can people PLEASE stop referring to this as slut armor? If you have a problem with it then criticize the clothes, don't add on words that insult the actual character when you don't even know anything about them.

I agree.

The proper term is 'Stripperiffic'. Please use this in the future, fellows.

 

[chinangel]

Sexy power armour like that is most likely going to be very juvenile, yes.

hate to say it, but yeah: This is basically it. Usually, anime's are built on either storyline or "ZOMG BEWBS!", with general shounen falling into the secondary category. Though strangely, Shounen's usually have some of the more interesting stories.

However I tend to avoid anime's with designs like this: I hate the 'sexy armor' type anime's as a general rule.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

... that's not sexy power armor! That's a mech-themed magical girl. The fact that the outfit has a mouth and is shown to be its own character means that this is a magical outfit of some sort. Also, as pointed out, armor kinda needs to have more coverage than that to be armor and not... well a magical outfit.

I am not sure what's the fuzz about using the word armor himesama, the wiktionary says that an armor is "A protective layer over a body, vehicle, or other object intended to deflect or diffuse damaging forces.", so if a bikini effectively deflects or diffuses damaging forces, ain't that an armor?

Mm, that definition is a bit more open ended. However, I still denote the difference in genre.

When I look at that outfit, I see Magical Girl with a mech theme, or at best Magical Armor.

I do not see Powered Armor.

Also, like, half the people in the thread said the same thing (well, they didn't specify magical girl). In fact, a lot of them said worse. I'm not sure why you both are arguing definitions with me rather than the other half-a-dozen people who've said very similar things.

 

[Tanakh]

Mm, that definition is a bit more open ended. However, I still denote the difference in genre.

When I look at that outfit, I see Magical Girl with a mech theme, or at best Magical Armor.

I do not see Powered Armor.

Also, like, half the people in the thread said the same thing (well, they didn't specify magical girl). In fact, a lot of them said worse. I'm not sure why you both are arguing definitions with me rather than the other half-a-dozen people who've said very similar things.

Because I care to talk with you and not the other half dozen!

And yeah, it does seem more of a magical girl item, still not seeing the problem of calling it an armor at all; would need to see more context to call it "powered". What can i say, bit anal in the use of words, and that suit if it deflects damage is certainly an armor even if it doesn't fit with the majority of escapists.

Anyway ta-ta and have a pleasant evening.