- Apr 9, 2008
I didn't mean to imply that they jumped ship to the left wing and I certainly didn't mean to imply that it was due to any effort by liberals: I think we can both agree that they're pretty benign and useless. What I meant was that during the Bush administration, many people who proudly called themselves conservative, don't do so anymore (They call themselves independents now) because conservative politicians no longer do things conservatively anymore: they aren't conservative with our money, our resources, or anything else it seems.Therumancer said:GonzoGamer said:I understand - I'm more anti-right than pro left myself but you have to remember it's been more than just liberals who were crying for the past 8 years when the shoe was on the other foot. The right wing lost a lot of actual conservatives in that time. In fact, I think the only constituents they were able to keep are the fanatical zombified Rush Limbaugh audience types who would drink any sort of kool aid the gop would hand over to them. Political heritage types.Therumancer said:I will remind liberals that they don't have quite the majority that they think they do, and in the end I don't want to hear any crying if the shoe winds up on the other foot at some point.
Of course I could be misinterpeting this, but really I get tired of the satires and generally poor sportsmanship. I porobably wouldn't wind up being so anti-left (which is differant from being pro-right) if it wasn't for the carnival atmosphere.
In regards to Shatner, he's awsome; I could've never learned hypnosis if it wasn't for him. Still... I liked Rocketman better:
burning out his fuse, up here...
Well, see that is the illusion right there. The liberals did not get a lot of conservatives to jump fence. Even running a minority president in opposition to a long, unpopular war (long wars are always unpopular) the left wound up with a 7% lead. That's it. Now it IS true that your dealing with what is a large margin compared to "recent" American politics where we've been down to the quick when it's come to votes. But overall it's not a huge margin especially under the circumstances. A lot of liberals seem to think that they command like 70% of the populance and that isn't even remotely true.
Fine if you don't like the right wing, there is a division for a reason. BUT let's be frank your not dealing with zombified Rush Limbaugh listeners (to use the quote) but a pretty substantial part of the population compared to which the left wing currently holds a slight lead.
It's also important to note that given left wing media control it's actually kind of shocking how small that lead is. See, the whole "Zombiefied Rush Limbaugh Listener" thing largely comes about because privatly owned media platforms pretty much get to pick who represents the other side on any given issue. This is where criticisms about loaded debates and such come from.
A lot of the conservatives I know don't care about the big issues (gay marriage for example) for the gop and their media outlets.
Also, I really hope you're kidding about left wing media control. That's a conspiracy theory more wild than lizardmen. The existence of Fox News (and every other news outlet owned by Rupert Murdoch) ALONE should dispel that myth. If anything conservatives have a better control over the news media; look at how much they're able to get away with.