Well, i suppose, give them a choice... Become test subject or death penalty... We all secrety know this happens already to the ones without people who will ask questions...
Oh, seems like I missed that part of your post.zerobudgetgamer said:Yes, but it's not the average. Most countries seem to run a general average of 15-25 years before parole, with a LOT of places not having a maximum limit. 8-16 is only in Iceland. And for that matter, it is possible to have multiple life sentences, IIRC, and to have life sentences without parole, so even Iceland lifers would be forced into 16 years.Yopaz said:Human experiments on prisoners? Sure, why not torture them too?
I am against the death penalty, and against torture of prisoners so there's a big fat no on this question.
Also regarding your edits. You should do some research. Shortest complete life sentence is 16 years with parole after 8.
Once again, not debating the validity of death row. I understand a lot of people don't like it, and the alternative would probably be having to serve (multiple) life terms, which is why I added the second Edit, and emphasized that the experiments don't have to be lethal. However, even if someone might be innocent doesn't give my idea any less merit. As I've said, a potentially innocent man could consent to non-lethal experimentation, help it succeed, and might be able to use that as leverage to either get off death row or push his appeal to prove his innocence. I may not know much about the justice system, so I don't know how well that would go through, but I'm being at least slightly optimistic that the system would see his volunteering in a positive light.Woodsey said:You've answered the question yourself. And the answer as to why death row shouldn't exist.zerobudgetgamer said:some of these inmates are possibly innocent,
It says average right there in your own words. Wait... you said life sentence can anywhere from 15-30 years before having a chance of parole.For those who don't know, depending on where you live in the world, a Life Sentence can be anywhere from 15-30 years before having a chance at parole, with some places having a max sentence of as little as 25 to as many as 50 years.
Thanks for quoting me out of context. I was saying that experimentation wouldn't/shouldn't necessarily be limited to purely medical testing. Nowhere have I explicitly said that these test would be used to determine why that particular crop of subjects were driven/predisposed to criminal activity, just that there were other types of experiments that they could consent to outside the realm of testing the latest vaccine or experimental gene therapy.evilthecat said:No, there isn't.Gottesstrafe said:There's a multitude of cognitive, psychological, or even physiological tests relating to stress/stimulation that could also be implemented.
The sample would be methodologically unsound. Again, this isn't 19th century criminology where we all assume that prisoners have some kind of genetic predisposition which makes them violent (a predisposition which suspiciously always had a lot to do with the colour of their skin and the curliness of their hair).
You're not going to find anything useful from a sample which is selected on an incredibly rare occurance dependent on a huge number of factors. Well.. you could try, but noone is going to take anything you say seriously.
... Which is clearly infringing on the CIA and U.S. Army's turf when it comes to unethical medical testing on prisoners, right?evilthecat said:I think you assume wrong.Gottesstrafe said:And if a prisoner faced with capital punishment chooses to take part in a potentially lethal experiment (which I'll assume is already under strict safety requirements and ethical review) of their own volition, who am I to say no?
You're not going to get some wholesome tenured professor single handedly pioneering a new cancer drug from his university science lab and who just needs to experiment on one guy to make it all happen.
You're going to hand several hundred people at once over to a medical corporation (the people who actually do medical research nowadays) and you're damn right you 'assume' it's all ethical because they're paying a big fat contract to the local government for the privilege of that assumption.
Of course, they're not going to tell you what actually happens because they want the patents which will come out of it, because that's how they make money.
Actually, it is. For any results to be reached with lab mice, the ones that are infected and show no satifying results are usually killed by breaking their necks. Do you want to star breaking mens necks for the sake of research yourself? I'm betting half of the people on here supporting the idea have never had to even think about themselves killing someone for results.viking97 said:i fail to see why medical experiment = fatal and extremely painful scientific research
okay first of all. noSinisterspider said:If you've done something deserving of the death penalty you've forfeited your humanity. Give them the choice, certainly, don't force it on them, but as far as i'm concerned no one on that row is human.
Actualy I belive alot of advances came from the nazi experimentations. Our cure for hypothermia is one that springs to mind. Will have a look for some more.Korolev said:The Nazis experimented horribly on Jews to find cures for Malaria and other tropical diseases - and it didn't work.
Incorrect.evilthecat said:Congratulations, you are now on the moral level of this man: