Skyrim: Cabbage Rocket
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I think the comic is more a shot at the Escapist staff listing Skyrim as the best RPG of the last 5 years, than just ripping on Skyrim itself. It's certainly a quality game, but for many it lacks depth to be truly great. Personally... I haven't played it yet! I finally got the ultimate edition during the last Steam Winter sale, but after loading a few mods it started crashing every 5-10 minutes when outside. Kept playing for about two hours but eventually it became too much a nuisance. Maybe it would run better on a 64 bit OS, so I'm waiting till I upgrade that.
Anyways, does anyone remember that Jim Carey movie The Harry Truman show? My criticism with Bethesda though, since Oblivion, is that after a while I get this disconcerting feeling that I'm Harry Truman unknowingly living/playing in a reality TV show where everyone's in on it but me. Haven't played Skyrim enough to comment on it, but at least the more fluid NPC interaction/Dialogue helps a lot.
Anyways, does anyone remember that Jim Carey movie The Harry Truman show? My criticism with Bethesda though, since Oblivion, is that after a while I get this disconcerting feeling that I'm Harry Truman unknowingly living/playing in a reality TV show where everyone's in on it but me. Haven't played Skyrim enough to comment on it, but at least the more fluid NPC interaction/Dialogue helps a lot.
I didn't say that Bethesda should get praised for the mods themselves, but for making the game as moddable as it is. I don't know what your experience with modding is (I'm not going to make assumptions though), but it takes great effort on the developer's part to make a game moddable, and even more effort to bring it to Bethesda's standard. Not everyone will care about that, but for many people it means a lot. Just ask around the Neverwinter Nights forums.TheSniperFan said:
I don't take issue with the Skyrim bashing since it is a pretty mediocre game, but ignoring modding potential when judging games is just silly.
Skyrim isn't a great example since the core isn't all that great, but with the two modern Fallout games, the mods absolutely needs to be mentioned. You can whine about making other people do the work all you want, but Bethesda still puts in a hell of a lot more effort than 99% of other game devs. Their games are some of the easiest to mod in all of gaming. The community is extremely strong and that shows. I'd take Skyrim over many games even if those games are superior to the vanilla version. Who did the work is relatively meaningless. It's which games are actually more fun to play at the end of the day.
You say "opinion" a dozen times there, but that goes both ways. "Best of" lists are completely opinion based anyway.
I can't help but feel like this is a jab at the Escapist community for that one time we voted Skryim LITERALLY THE BEST VIDEO GAME IN HISTORY. I still feel a little bad about that one.
Skyrim isn't a great example since the core isn't all that great, but with the two modern Fallout games, the mods absolutely needs to be mentioned. You can whine about making other people do the work all you want, but Bethesda still puts in a hell of a lot more effort than 99% of other game devs. Their games are some of the easiest to mod in all of gaming. The community is extremely strong and that shows. I'd take Skyrim over many games even if those games are superior to the vanilla version. Who did the work is relatively meaningless. It's which games are actually more fun to play at the end of the day.
You say "opinion" a dozen times there, but that goes both ways. "Best of" lists are completely opinion based anyway.
I can't help but feel like this is a jab at the Escapist community for that one time we voted Skryim LITERALLY THE BEST VIDEO GAME IN HISTORY. I still feel a little bad about that one.
"Like a puppy pissing in its own face." Though at this point, it's not doing that; it's just rolling over and over. And it's so cute! Yes it is!Mcoffey said:
(The cuteness of a puppy is analogous to the world of Skyrim, in case you didn't guess.)
Woah, woah, woah... Woah.Dead Raen said:
I love Skyrim as much as the next guy, quite possibly more, but let's not insult one of the most underrated games of all time. The fact that we'll probably never get another Alpha Protocol is a LITERAL WAR CRIME. The game play was sub-par but the story and characters are unmatched by game series bar Mass Effect and The Walking Dead. Not to mention it is one of the few games where choice actually mattered and would be recognised.
OT: Vanilla Skyrim is a decent game, with mods it has become timeless. Almost every complaint about Skyrim can be addressed with a mod, but yeah that is not something Bethesda get to be proud of. I do think that Dwarf Fortress' adventure mode has the potential to make for a fantastic rpg if people could share worlds with pre made quests.
You know, there's something to be said for a product's sheer malleability. Sure the base may not be all that great, but having it be as modular as it is, is definitely an accomplishment.
Theres not much any of us will be able to say/do on the topic of skyrim. It was built to be accessible and extremely easy to pick up and play in terms of leveling and choice of what style of combat you want or prefer. They pulled the old cater-to-everyone scheme, so everyone feels tickled pink to be able to do this and that. The only problem is, most of what it made accessible to everyone is still extremely shallow compared to the other games in the series. But who cares right? Accessibility always wins the argument in the end, even if they half-assed everything else. On the topic of mods though, UNTIL i find a Project Nevada Successor in Skyrim, Skyrim can stay dead and rotting in the gutter.
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The problem with Skyrim is that of the vast amounts of stuff there is to do, none of it is rewarding in any way and most of it is almost the same.Gasbandit said:
Go to the Draugr Ruin and get my amulet!
Go to the Draugr Ruin and get my drum!
Go to the Draugr Ruin and get my bread!
Go to the Draugr Ruin and get my long lost father's randomly enchanted helmet!
Go to the Draugr Ruin and get my basic Iron Sword that been passed down from generation to generation and has been feeding my family for years!
Go to the Draugr Ruin!
Go to the Draugr Ruin!
Go to the Draugr Ruin!
Go to the Draugr Ruin!
Go to the Draugr Fucking Ruin!
There may as well be a sum total of 2 enemies in the game considering how little you see anything that isn't a Bandit or a Draugr. If they really want to mix it up they send you to a Dwemer Ruin, but that's the only thing they do, then it's right back to Go to the Draugr Ruin!
No amount of mods can fix that. Believe me, I've tried.
I have so many mods that make me long to play Skyrim, I go on it and what is there to do?
Randomly explore? Goes nowhere.
Companions? Go to the Draugr Ruin!
College of Winterhold? Go to the Draugr Ruin!
Main Quest? Go to the Draugr Ruin!
Thieve's Guild is somehow still Go to the Draugr Ruin! ...and if you're joining that guild you're not going to be the type of character that can handle that kind of fight yet.
That laughable afterthought of a Bard Guild? Go to the Draugr Ruin!
I suppose I could go to one of the castle and get some randomly generated quests where I Go to the Cave and kill some Bandits! ...but you don't want to get me started on Go to the Cave and kill some Bandits!
I would love somebody who loves this game to tell me exactly what they think I'm missing, but I'm pretty sure I've done everything there is to do outside of mods I haven't seen and something interesting is yet to happen.
The Dark Brotherhood was OK.
RPG of the decade material? Not by a long shot.
...Especially not in decade that has Dark Souls and Dragon's Dogma in it.
I'm playing it right now, and this is what I'm running into. It's shallow, and kind of boring when you break it down. I'm still enjoying it because I love any game with lots of exploration and loot hunting. But top 5 rpg it is not.garjian said:
I can't even be offended. because I just don't greatly like skyrim.
It has great exploring and the best combat to be in elder scrolls games(that is not saying much). The only valid way play from stand point is be psychopath or pretend to care while 99% of the ncp's who have the personality of a cardboard cut out. when you don't give a shit about anything but exploring it is a nice time sink but it in the end nothing greatly memorable or of note comes out of the expirence.
there is no mod that can fix this problem.
I could ignore problems like that if the gameplay was almost perfect but it is not.
It has great exploring and the best combat to be in elder scrolls games(that is not saying much). The only valid way play from stand point is be psychopath or pretend to care while 99% of the ncp's who have the personality of a cardboard cut out. when you don't give a shit about anything but exploring it is a nice time sink but it in the end nothing greatly memorable or of note comes out of the expirence.
there is no mod that can fix this problem.
I could ignore problems like that if the gameplay was almost perfect but it is not.
I did reach a point in the game I was exploring the map and decided to not to enter caves and ruins I found. I grew quite bored of fight generic bandits, evil mages, and Draugr.garjian said:
My biggest problem with Skyrim was how boring it was, for a game that spends so much time trying to be like other better fantasy RPGs they sure had a way of making seem boring as hell. Why did every character sound like they were bored and talk so much when I go to them? Why is the game a mess every time I play pay 20 hours(PS3 version is what I'm stuck with)? At least other RPGs like Deus Ex and New Vegas Ultimate are functional and aren't overly obtuse with their dialogue like Skyrim.....and Serial Experiments Lain.
I'm assuming this is their reaction to this.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/12032-25-Top-RPGs-of-the-Last-Five-Years.10
If not then beautiful coincidence.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/12032-25-Top-RPGs-of-the-Last-Five-Years.10
If not then beautiful coincidence.
Well, shit, I'm looking at one of those right now. This is... unnerving.New Frontiersman said:
In any case, I love skyrim and Fallout 3. Fallout 3 had one of the most detailed worlds I've ever seen. There are tiny short stories hidden within every nook and cranny of that world, ones that you can piece together using context clues. Little moments like this:
completely blew my mind. Also, Skyrim, though not as good, had some interesting character builds. Playing as a warrior is totally different than a mage, which is totally different than an assasin. It almost feels like a different game each time you play. I usually get bored with Skyrim and move onto something else, but I wish more games were like this.
Sure, they don't have the mechanics and lore of Dark Souls, but they're still pretty genius in their own right. You just have to look at the games as an anthology of short stories, instead of as an epic.
Hm. Top 10?Gasbandit said:
I doubt it.
ME, DA, diffrent FFs, Zeldas, other TES, Fallout Series, Baldurs Gate, Arcanum, DSA games, System Shock, Deus Ex series and the Gothic series
and these do not even include most asian games which i'm not that familiar with. And i also probably forgot some candidates.
It's not a 100% given that Skyrim is in the Top10.