Skyrim Child Killing Mod

[Nightvalien]

I don't get you people, you live in a world where you are the god damn dragonborn eater of dragon souls, and digital children pisses you off, what in a argonian ass is wrong with you people, go shout dragons to death and make jarls tremble before your awesomeness, get a motherfucking grip.

 

[DirgeNovak]

Don't people realize that if the game allowed the player to kill kids, it would pretty much automatically mean an AO rating? And that means most retail stores - and possibly Steam, not sure - would not support it. Bethesda's hands are tied. (BTW I know Fallout 1 and 2 allowed you to kill kids and got away with an M rating, but the ESRB was a lot more lax back then)

But GOD are those little fucks annoying. Especially that girl in Whiterun. You know which one.

 

[Slashing101]

The kids in the game this time around seem tailored to piss you off. That one girl in Whiterun make's me want to shout her across the map. I don't really care about the child killing, it was in Fallout so whatever. But it will be sweet to murder that annoying girl.

 

[Seanchaidh]

What does it say about your mental health that you want to kill children in a videogame?

Absolutely nothing.

Ok, now that we have that out of the way...

Would you do it in real life? No. The other day, around 2am at Jack in the Box some 14 year old fuck was giving me and my buddies shit. For a solid hour. We're adults, early to mid twenties. No one was there to help him and even the workers expressed the desire to throw him out on his ass.
He did not leave until I threatened him with a knife. Would I have seriously hurt him? Not with the knife, but it got my point across.
So you know what I do in Skyrim? Ignore the shits.

Who cares if you could do it in earlier games? Who cares if the community wants it? IT'S.FUCKED.UP. And you're fucked up for wanting it so bad. Get help, and stay the fuck out of my neighborhood because if I saw you I would think of the kids next door and run your ass over without thinking twice.

Next time you're on a date/talking with your significant other, tell her about how good it makes you feel to kill kids in a video game, see how it goes.

Really?

You have a problem with killing video game people-- provided that they're children-- but you proudly admit threatening an actual young person with a knife? And then threaten anyone who would have the inclination to want to kill annoying NPCs (if those NPCs are children) with vehicular murder?

Interesting.

 

[DirgeNovak]

The kids in the game this time around seem tailored to piss you off. That one girl in Whiterun make's me want to shout her across the map. I don't really care about the child killing, it was in Fallout so whatever. But it will be sweet to murder that annoying girl.

And then get away with it because you're the Thane. Love the idea.

 

[irishda]

People aren't really disturbed by killing video game children. The disturbing part is that the modders specifically went out of their way to try and kill the children, (or they noticed they weren't dying when they should've been), decided that this was a big enough problem that they took the time to create a program specifically so that children could die. The disturbing part of this mod's supporters is that the death of video game children is felt as necessary for your experience.

I expected this mod to get the sort of attention from the media it deserves: none. Someone made a mod for children to die. Ok. Fine. To each his own. There's no need for the type of attacks on this mod, but there certainly isn't any need for the amount of defense it's getting.

 

[AngleWyrm]

You should not want to kill kids.

If a simulated kid is behaving simulated badly, I should simulated kick it's little ass.

The dev community has gotten themselves into a situation similar to having unregistered posters run rampant on a forum with no consequence: Allowing little cretins to behave badly without fear of retribution in their game world.

If you think that a warning/ban system is appropriate for forum users (I do), then you should probably feel the same way about the simulated little darlings in-game.

 

[jessegeek]

Yes, the kids are annoying, but does it really matter that much? The guy opposite me in the cell in Oblivion pissed me right off (criticising my character that I just spent 30 minutes creating god damn you...) but just it didn't bother me enough to care about exacting murderous revenge. Plus, us lot getting up in arms about stuff like this just draws the fire of the Fox News/Daily Mail "ban this filth!" brigade.

Also, I find it a bit weird that the article raises Skyrim's lack of heterosexual bias as a valid argument to raise in the context of how this affects Bioware's stance on violence against children. Irrespective of your views on that (imo right-on) choice, it was irrelevant to this issue.

EDIT: orginally I said you couldn't kill the prison guy, but turns out you can. Sorry for dropping the ball on that one.

 

[Colodomoko]

Okay that video was hilarious.

Also, am I the only one whose a little more concerned we don't see little orks, argonians, khajits or any of the elves running around. I dunno, it just seemes weird there are only human children in this game.

Here is the real problem. Racial segregation in Skyrim. Tsk Tsk. You people should be ashamed
lol awesome post man
jk btw

Ha, thanks man, just doing my part to point out the more obvious and/or obscure things people miss.

 

[anthony87]

Yes, the kids are annoying, but does it really matter that much? The guy opposite me in the cell in Oblivion pissed me right off (criticising my character that I just spent 30 minutes creating god damn you...) but just because I couldn't kill him didn't mean I needed to find/invent a mod where I could exact revenge. Plus, us lot getting up in arms about stuff like this just draws the fire of the Fox News/Daily Mail "ban this filth!" brigade.

Also, I find it a bit weird that the article raises Skyrim's lack of heterosexual bias as a valid argument to raise in the context of how this affects Bioware's stance on violence against children. Irrespective of your views on that (imo right-on) choice, it was irrelevant to this issue.

But you COULD in fact kill that dude. The option is present in the game.

 

[Slashing101]

The kids in the game this time around seem tailored to piss you off. That one girl in Whiterun make's me want to shout her across the map. I don't really care about the child killing, it was in Fallout so whatever. But it will be sweet to murder that annoying girl.

And then get away with it because you're the Thane. Love the idea.

What I really want is to be standing over the kid and the guard walk up and be like "You look like someone stole your sweetroll". I would die laughing at this.

 

[Amnestic]

Yes, the kids are annoying, but does it really matter that much? The guy opposite me in the cell in Oblivion pissed me right off (criticising my character that I just spent 30 minutes creating god damn you...) but just because I couldn't kill him didn't mean I needed to find/invent a mod where I could exact revenge. Plus, us lot getting up in arms about stuff like this just draws the fire of the Fox News/Daily Mail "ban this filth!" brigade.

The dude in the prison? He's an objective of one of the Dark Brotherhood quests. So...yeah, you can kill him. There's even a quest for it.

 

[jessegeek]

But you COULD in fact kill that dude. The option is present in the game.

The dude in the prison? He's an objective of one of the Dark Brotherhood quests. So...yeah, you can kill him. There's even a quest for it.

In the words of Black Canary "Ssh, let's not muddy the sentiment with facts." But seriously though, thanks for pointing that out (I had totally forgotten), I've now amended the post.

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

There's a world of difference between killing a bandit who is trying to rob you or take your life versus and a child who is merely being obnoxious.

Again, murder of 'innocent' (in this case 'innocent' referring to 'have not committed crimes against the player character') adults is allowed, but children are not.

If you read further I said that "I" personally don't kill "innocent" adults either (of course people can sometimes differ on the definition of what is innocent).

As to why Bethesda allow you to murder innocent civilians, I guess that just boils down to freedom of choice and be cautious about breaking the immersion. You would then argue "why are adults ok to kill and not kids?" to which I would counter argue that this standard where children are sacrosanct is all through society and our culture and is generally recognised. The people posting here arguing against child killing in games are part of the majority, not Random McKilljoys.

 

[Fluffis]

This concept is so messed up I'm not gonna bother with it, except to say this:

Why do you feel the need for children to die in a computer game?

Don't just shrug that question off. Think about it. I mean REALLY think about it.

Is it NECESSARY to be able to kill children?
Or are you going to do it "for fun"? (In that case, you may need to think long and hard about what you call fun.)

 

[Miniges]

If anything, it makes tag more believable.

Maybe if the kids weren't such jerks people wouldn't make these as quickly :/

Lol.
But seriously, I think this was handled the right way by everybody. Bethesda keeps their hands off a sticky subject and the modding community gives the fanbase another play option. The circle of life.
The one thing i can see going wrong in the existence of this mod is some dolt at fox news catching wind of this and thinking it's some how in the vanilla game and going ape on Bethesda.

 

[anthony87]

What does it say about your mental health that you want to kill children in a videogame?

Absolutely nothing.

Ok, now that we have that out of the way...

Would you do it in real life? No. The other day, around 2am at Jack in the Box some 14 year old fuck was giving me and my buddies shit. For a solid hour. We're adults, early to mid twenties. No one was there to help him and even the workers expressed the desire to throw him out on his ass.
He did not leave until I threatened him with a knife. Would I have seriously hurt him? Not with the knife, but it got my point across.
So you know what I do in Skyrim? Ignore the shits.

Who cares if you could do it in earlier games? Who cares if the community wants it? IT'S.FUCKED.UP. And you're fucked up for wanting it so bad. Get help, and stay the fuck out of my neighborhood because if I saw you I would think of the kids next door and run your ass over without thinking twice.

Next time you're on a date/talking with your significant other, tell her about how good it makes you feel to kill kids in a video game, see how it goes.

Really?

You have a problem with killing video game people-- provided that they're children-- but you proudly admit threatening an actual young person with a knife? And then threaten anyone who would have the inclination to want to kill annoying NPCs (if those NPCs are children) with vehicular murder?

Interesting.

That sort of thinking belongs in PETA

People for the ethical treatment of animations.

You Mr. Time have just......WON A THREAD FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!!
*crowd roars*

 

[Amnestic]

You would then argue "why are adults ok to kill and not kids?" to which I would counter argue that this standard where children are sacrosanct is all through society and our culture and is generally recognised. The people posting here arguing against child killing in games are part of the majority, not Random McKilljoys.

Children are sacrosanct by society's laws, yes, but so are adults. Murder is a crime regardless of the age of the victim. Theft is a crime. Breaking and entering is a crime. By the looks of the descriptions of some quests (I reiterate that I have yet to play Skyrim) from upthread, it seems that numerous ones call upon you to break many of modern society's laws.

While you personally choose to play a character who values human(oid) lives - and more power to you for doing so - others may desire to play a Dovahkiin who doesn't care so much. If for one reason or another, I choose to play a Stupid Evil Dovahkiin, killing an entire town - genociding an entire race - is perfectly acceptable within the game's parameters but killing children is somehow too 'evil'?

I reject that premise.

And I normally play a Neutral/Chaotic Good style characters. I've not played Stupid Evil for years, except to observe what endings/storyplots the 'other side' has to offer. Mass Effect? Almost pure Paragon. Dragon Age? I played Good. Baldur's Gate? Chaotic Good. Fallout 3/NV? Generally a good character who had strong ethical beliefs in personal freedom. My characters would get along with yours perfectly. I'm on the other side of this debate though.

I find it interesting that upon a cursory glance of this thread, not one person has brought up Bioshock: a game where choosing to save or murder children is a decision which is forced upon the player at least once.

 

[shrekfan246]

What does it say about your mental health that you want to kill children in a videogame?

Absolutely nothing.

Ok, now that we have that out of the way...

Would you do it in real life? No. The other day, around 2am at Jack in the Box some 14 year old fuck was giving me and my buddies shit. For a solid hour. We're adults, early to mid twenties. No one was there to help him and even the workers expressed the desire to throw him out on his ass.
He did not leave until I threatened him with a knife. Would I have seriously hurt him? Not with the knife, but it got my point across.
So you know what I do in Skyrim? Ignore the shits.

Who cares if you could do it in earlier games? Who cares if the community wants it? IT'S.FUCKED.UP. And you're fucked up for wanting it so bad. Get help, and stay the fuck out of my neighborhood because if I saw you I would think of the kids next door and run your ass over without thinking twice.

Next time you're on a date/talking with your significant other, tell her about how good it makes you feel to kill kids in a video game, see how it goes.

Really?

You have a problem with killing video game people-- provided that they're children-- but you proudly admit threatening an actual young person with a knife? And then threaten anyone who would have the inclination to want to kill annoying NPCs (if those NPCs are children) with vehicular murder?

Interesting.

You also missed this little gem:

Would I have seriously hurt him? Not with the knife

OT: Nope. I'm not gonna touch this thread with a ten foot pole, because it's already a brewing flame war.

 

[kenu12345]

What does it say about your mental health that you want to kill children in a videogame?

Absolutely nothing.

Ok, now that we have that out of the way...

Would you do it in real life? No. The other day, around 2am at Jack in the Box some 14 year old fuck was giving me and my buddies shit. For a solid hour. We're adults, early to mid twenties. No one was there to help him and even the workers expressed the desire to throw him out on his ass.
He did not leave until I threatened him with a knife. Would I have seriously hurt him? Not with the knife, but it got my point across.
So you know what I do in Skyrim? Ignore the shits.

Who cares if you could do it in earlier games? Who cares if the community wants it? IT'S.FUCKED.UP. And you're fucked up for wanting it so bad. Get help, and stay the fuck out of my neighborhood because if I saw you I would think of the kids next door and run your ass over without thinking twice.

Next time you're on a date/talking with your significant other, tell her about how good it makes you feel to kill kids in a video game, see how it goes.

Really?

You have a problem with killing video game people-- provided that they're children-- but you proudly admit threatening an actual young person with a knife? And then threaten anyone who would have the inclination to want to kill annoying NPCs (if those NPCs are children) with vehicular murder?

Interesting.

You also missed this little gem:

Would I have seriously hurt him? Not with the knife

OT: Nope. I'm not gonna touch this thread with a ten foot pole, because it's already a brewing flame war.

mostly brought about by you congratulations