Skyrim Legalizes Gay Marriage
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Its a useless little side feature, but I like it. I dont understand why people are QQing about it being there and how potentially flawed it'll be (though basing it on past games is a bit daft as presumably the system will have been developed since previous titles...) when its something that can just be ignored.
Someone earlier made a thing about how it was being introduced as some corner stone of the game... er, no. You're being amazingly biased while ignoring all the facts. This whole gay marriage thing hasn't been announced, it wasn't revealed in an anticipated podcast, it wasn't delivered at some press conference... it was revealed in an offhand reply on twitter.
I dont even think Bethesda care, its just something they've thrown in - you can marry the opposite sex, lets just allow them to marry the same sex too.
Someone earlier made a thing about how it was being introduced as some corner stone of the game... er, no. You're being amazingly biased while ignoring all the facts. This whole gay marriage thing hasn't been announced, it wasn't revealed in an anticipated podcast, it wasn't delivered at some press conference... it was revealed in an offhand reply on twitter.
I dont even think Bethesda care, its just something they've thrown in - you can marry the opposite sex, lets just allow them to marry the same sex too.
No big deal either way, but I cannot help the feeling that Skyrim will be cookie cutter fantasy squared.
In Morrowind the dark elves were racist fucks and it made the atmosphere more convincing, more medieval, gritty what you will.
Hell, everyone was biased in TES3, especially against the Khajit and the lizards and it was better that way.
Afteral, it is fiction, it doesn't have to be nice and should not be.
What's next? A shooter set in WW2, but with multicultural nazis, because it wouln't be PC otherwise?
I definitely prefer the Witcher approach, where the NPCs act more like people with all their flaws.
In Morrowind the dark elves were racist fucks and it made the atmosphere more convincing, more medieval, gritty what you will.
Hell, everyone was biased in TES3, especially against the Khajit and the lizards and it was better that way.
Afteral, it is fiction, it doesn't have to be nice and should not be.
What's next? A shooter set in WW2, but with multicultural nazis, because it wouln't be PC otherwise?
I definitely prefer the Witcher approach, where the NPCs act more like people with all their flaws.
Better yet, moving clothes from another man's wife into the basement like we got to do in Fallout 3.Kalezian said:
What a great option. The furries will be happy, the fans of reptilian hentai will be happy.
There should be a "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!" event that occurs if partner dies. Which would have a touch of humour to it, if they are chatting to you about spending a hoard, keeping close on this cold night, and then an arrow trap head shots them, or yes, dragon carries them off.
Hang on gay friend, I'll save you!
There should be a "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!" event that occurs if partner dies. Which would have a touch of humour to it, if they are chatting to you about spending a hoard, keeping close on this cold night, and then an arrow trap head shots them, or yes, dragon carries them off.
Hang on gay friend, I'll save you!
Its a roleplaying choice, you can just ignore the entire feature completely if you want to rolepay as a lone hero. Its a roleplaying option that I am glad they included.Deathfish15 said:
I think Bethesda could've actually gone one step further. As it stands, the idea "anyone can marry any character regardless of gender" implies the whole world is just bi/pansexual, which is a little bit disingenuous to hetero and homosexuals - the world simply isn't like that. I'm all for more freedom in player choice, but it's really immersion breaking to see a world where everyone swings either way when that simply is not the case in the world.
I don't know how NPC relationships will work, but i think they could have worked in a system whereby after some time spent chatting up or wooing desired NPC, they might turn around and say "I'm sorry, but i'm straight / gay" and reject your advances based on their orientation. I know people may complain about having to go through effort only to be rejected, but it would go toward making not only the characters more individual in their own right but also create a more realistic interaction with the NPCs. Saying everyone will sleep with whoever is a bit of an easy way out. If they really wanted to ruffle feathers, they should make characters be able to state outright their orientation and have that affect the player.
I don't know how NPC relationships will work, but i think they could have worked in a system whereby after some time spent chatting up or wooing desired NPC, they might turn around and say "I'm sorry, but i'm straight / gay" and reject your advances based on their orientation. I know people may complain about having to go through effort only to be rejected, but it would go toward making not only the characters more individual in their own right but also create a more realistic interaction with the NPCs. Saying everyone will sleep with whoever is a bit of an easy way out. If they really wanted to ruffle feathers, they should make characters be able to state outright their orientation and have that affect the player.
If you don't like the whole "Gay marrage in games" thing. You're stupid. Hey, even if you aren't gay, wouldn't you be pissed if a game said, "Oh look, your Husband/Wife will help you in dungeons." and you find a character that you would LOOOVE to go dungeon raiding with, only to find, NOPE, you gotta bonk them first, only to find, NO SAME SEX COUPLES, only to find that you have to make a female character, then do 5000000 chores to get them to the same level as your male character, so you can go dungeon raiding with a female replica of your character with "Olaf", just so you can have OLAF THE "MIGHTY" end up to be a complete douche and kill steal everything, until he dies right at the hardest part, leaving you to die facing a dragon called something like "Indie the Incinerator".
[Fact]: Anyone who has anything wrong with same sex couples is just ignorant.
[Fact]: Anyone who has anything wrong with same sex couples is just ignorant.
Wait. They legalized gay marriage in Skyrim? Not to be rude, but wouldn't they have to legalize ALL marriage first? That's a new tale for me... never heard you could do that.
Here's hoping that if Bethesda makes the mistake of sending a representative to FOX to defend their game from the inevitable reactionary nonsense that spews from that station, they don't try to play by their rules. I would just love to see one of those guys in the fake two-on-one interviews state outright:
"No, I don't think it matters at all. This was our game, we decided to make it the way we wanted to, and that was to give the player as much choice as they bloody well wanted. Really, we love gay people! We might not want to marry them or have sex with them, but do you really think we're going to persecute them like you idiots?
Oh, and by the way... this is a game where you can slay fictional beasts, murder entire towns in one sitting, serve quasi-Demonic overlords, be an assassin, become a vampire/werewolf/etc.... and what you're objecting to is the fact that your character can marry another character of the same sex? I smell bullshit."
"No, I don't think it matters at all. This was our game, we decided to make it the way we wanted to, and that was to give the player as much choice as they bloody well wanted. Really, we love gay people! We might not want to marry them or have sex with them, but do you really think we're going to persecute them like you idiots?
Oh, and by the way... this is a game where you can slay fictional beasts, murder entire towns in one sitting, serve quasi-Demonic overlords, be an assassin, become a vampire/werewolf/etc.... and what you're objecting to is the fact that your character can marry another character of the same sex? I smell bullshit."
If memory serves the same wording was used to describe the marriage options in all three Fable games even though there were limitations based on the sexuality of the NPCs.Gralian said:
It's twitter, there may simply not have been enough room to fully explain it. Also going into any more detail would have been the opposite of not making a big deal out of it.
From what I've read so far it probably will be more along the lines of what you're saying even if everyone's bisexual. They've already stated that friends, companions, and quest givers will depend on your choices and alignments. It doesn't seem unfair to assume relationships will also depend on your character's personality and choices.
As to immersion, how would it be immersion breaking unless you broke your own immersion to acknowledge it? Does that make sense?
For arguments sake let's say you're right and every NPC is pansexual. How will you know that in game unless you go around and hit on literally every NPC?
You'll only ever know that from a meta perspective where immersion is already broken right?
Can you imagine the sex? I mean, Argonians are scaly, aren't they? Wouldn't that chafe?
I hope it's a little more interactive than Fable, though. All I did with those relationships is forget about them. I must have littered most of Albion with my polygamyous bastard spawn.
And I meant the realtionships are more interactive, not the sex. For that we have Bonetown.
I hope it's a little more interactive than Fable, though. All I did with those relationships is forget about them. I must have littered most of Albion with my polygamyous bastard spawn.
And I meant the realtionships are more interactive, not the sex. For that we have Bonetown.
This better be better then Fable's system, also this better mean more houses.
But this is gonna be weird, mabey they can add co-op.
But this is gonna be weird, mabey they can add co-op.