'Slut' Parade

[Doctor VonSexMachine]

The point is, women should be able to dress as they desire without fearing that their chosen clothing will somehow make rape 'ok', or less bad then if it happened to someone in slacks and a cardigan.

I'm kind of grossed out by how many people on this board seem to think that if a woman dresses provocatively then she is 'asking for it.'

 

[jboking]

But the principle is the same. Why was someone taking the risk in being mugged by walking with their wallet exposed? The same goes for sluts. Why are you dressed like that and taking an unnecessary risk? Yes, rape is worse, so surely that means women should grasp onto any advice given to them on how to avoid it rather then act like spoilt kids and do the opposite.

Here is the thing, you do feel sorry for the person who got their wallet stolen because it was exposed. They should be allowed to wear their wallet whatever way they want. However, this doesn't mean that when they get mugged, we should blame them for "dressing wrong" instead of the criminal for committing a felony. You don't blame the victim, you blame the criminal. Honestly, if men can't handle seeing a woman dressed promiscuously without having to pull them aside for rape time, then we have much bigger problems in society than women dressing like sluts.

and honestly, saying that women just shouldn't dress like sluts won't solve the problem. If a guy wants to rape a woman, it's still going to happen, no matter how they're dressed.

Sure, they shouldn't get to live in fluffy land where everything is a miracle, but they also shouldn't have to live in fear because their governments response to rape rates is "Dress like a nun or something!" instead of, "We'll give women training courses on self-defense and pepper spray." It's putting the blame and responsibility on the victim, and it isn't productive.

 

[Blayze2k]

and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

The piece of "advice" you refer to, against which they are protesting, is a police officer telling them that "if they don't want to get raped, they shouldn't dress like sluts." That, incidentally, is not advice, it's sexism at its worst. It's blaming the victim. Honestly, it's not all that far from the passage in the bible where it says that if a woman gets raped in the city and doesn't scream loud enough she should be put to death because she should have screamed louder. It's the worst kind of patriarchal bullshit, and it's the kind of attitude that people do need to stand up against.

I don't know that attempting to "reclaim the word slut" is the right way to go about it, but nonetheless, it's important that people stand up and point out that saying things like that isn't going to be tolerated in a civilized society.

And so they protest in a way thats completely undermines their argument.

Morons.

How does this undermine their argument?

Chauvinist.

Cause they're calling themselves sluts.

Word.

Way to miss the entire point just because of a minor semantic issue.

IhateyoubutIcan'tflamebecauseI'llbebannedbutIhopeyouunderstandthatifthiswereareallifeconversationIwouldbeshoutingyoudownrightnow.

 

[DarkRyter]

The only real way to stop rape is to work out much more.

Men have a higher natural tendency towards upper body strength, and conversely are raped less.

If we can equalize this imbalance in gender muscle mass, we can significantly lower rape rates.

 

[CarlMin]

If women want to fuck around well then they should be able to fuck around all they fucking want without being judged by society, right?

And I think that's what this movement is about. After all, if a guy wanted to screw every girl in his class then he'd be accepted as normal in society. He'd be referred to as a "player" or something of the like.

If a girl would try to do the same, she would be called a slut and be frowned upon by society.
This unfair mentality originates from the old christian values and the church which has always tried to find ways to control female sexuality.

 

[Gigano]

...
When did being a slut = embracing being a woman? Being a slut is not healthy and is not something someone should aspire to be.

It became embracing being an individual when that's what the individual in question want to be. I don't have any problems with guys who sleep around (nor do society at large), so obviously I don't have one with women doing so either (nor should society at large).

As for 'blaming the victim' , where is that happening? The officer simply gave advice on how to avoid the problem yet women have come out screaming in fear that advice is the same as remving their right.....

I think they come out in support of the fact that they shouldn't be targeted for wearing what they want, and that the police should focus on combating and hunting down the perpetrators who might think they are somehow more entitled to violate them when they dress "slutty", rather than telling the potential victims off.

We don't exactly tell people to can it with the criticism of Islamic terrorists just because it might provoke said terrorists, so I don't see why we should start telling women to limit their dressing habits out of fear of not provoking some equally despicable scum. Adapting one's personality out of consideration for common criminals is not really advice the police should be handing out. And it's hard to shake the notion that it's to some extent merely a façade for good ol' puritanism and condemnation of women who openly show they have a sexuality to rear its sorry head.

 

[Sronpop]

I fully embrace hedonism, do whatever the fuck you want, embrace satisfaction and seek it as much as possible, if that means going out and fucking a bunch of dudes then so be it. For me its getting drunk/high and wrecking the gaff, but whatever you poison.

 

[acosn]

When you stand in train tracks you're liable to get hit by a train if you stay there long enough.

When you put a deer on the highway it's liable to get hit by a car if it stays there long enough.

If you live by a fault you're liable to get an earthquake eventually.

If you dress like a slut, you're liable to have something bad happen to you.


No, it does not make sense to simply say, "oh, just tell the rapists not to rape me." The thing about rape is that it's not about the sex, its the dominance. They've already accepted that you're not on the same level as them. Somehow I doubt they're going to care too much about what you think. If you really want to appeal to the sensibilities of rapists and would-be rapists you're going about it in entirely the wrong way. It's like wearing expensive clothes in the wrong part of town. You may as well have a sign on your back that says, "CARRYING CASH IN LARGE BILLS."

It's not particularly fair either. Men get called out when they dress poorly.

We tell women these kinds of things for their own good, and this is what we get?

 

[Lullabye]

What if there was a 'Stud' parade for guys. Dudes who slept around alot, dated lots of women etc. Would the reaction be the same?
And lol at the people trying to use 'avoid rape' as an excuse.

 

[CarlMin]

I fully embrace hedonism, do whatever the fuck you want, embrace satisfaction and seek it as much as possible, if that means going out and fucking a bunch of dudes then so be it. For me its getting drunk/high and wrecking the gaff, but whatever you poison.

Hedonism and egoistic hedonism is not the same thing!

What if there was a 'Stud' parade for guys. Dudes who slept around alot, dated lots of women etc. Would the reaction be the same?
And lol at the people trying to use 'avoid rape' as an excuse.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Jimbo1212]

But the principle is the same. Why was someone taking the risk in being mugged by walking with their wallet exposed? The same goes for sluts. Why are you dressed like that and taking an unnecessary risk? Yes, rape is worse, so surely that means women should grasp onto any advice given to them on how to avoid it rather then act like spoilt kids and do the opposite.

Here is the thing, you do feel sorry for the person who got their wallet stolen because it was exposed. They should be allowed to wear their wallet whatever way they want. However, this doesn't mean that when they get mugged, we should blame them for "dressing wrong" instead of the criminal for committing a felony. You don't blame the victim, you blame the criminal. Honestly, if men can't handle seeing a woman dressed promiscuously without having to pull them aside for rape time, then we have much bigger problems in society than women dressing like sluts.

and honestly, saying that women just shouldn't dress like sluts won't solve the problem. If a guy wants to rape a woman, it's still going to happen, no matter how they're dressed.

Sure, they shouldn't get to live in fluffy land where everything is a miracle, but they also shouldn't have to live in fear because their governments response to rape rates is "Dress like a nun or something!" instead of, "We'll give women training courses on self-defense and pepper spray." It's putting the blame and responsibility on the victim, and it isn't productive.

If the victim could have taken action to avoid the incident then they share part of the responsibility for what happens to them.
I also think that it may not just be rape they are talking about, but general harassment that could turn into violence and/or rape because last time I checked, women who were sensible did not get raped (sensible being: dressing normally, going in groups etc).

 

[DudeistBelieve]

and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

The piece of "advice" you refer to, against which they are protesting, is a police officer telling them that "if they don't want to get raped, they shouldn't dress like sluts." That, incidentally, is not advice, it's sexism at its worst. It's blaming the victim. Honestly, it's not all that far from the passage in the bible where it says that if a woman gets raped in the city and doesn't scream loud enough she should be put to death because she should have screamed louder. It's the worst kind of patriarchal bullshit, and it's the kind of attitude that people do need to stand up against.

I don't know that attempting to "reclaim the word slut" is the right way to go about it, but nonetheless, it's important that people stand up and point out that saying things like that isn't going to be tolerated in a civilized society.

And so they protest in a way thats completely undermines their argument.

Morons.

How does this undermine their argument?

Chauvinist.

Cause they're calling themselves sluts.

Word.

Way to miss the entire point just because of a minor semantic issue.

IhateyoubutIcan'tflamebecauseI'llbebannedbutIhopeyouunderstandthatifthiswereareallifeconversationIwouldbeshoutingyoudownrightnow.

Thats the point isn't it? If your protesting those not protesting should be able to understand your position right away. Thats why Fred Phelps is effective. God Hates Fags, doesn't hide the lead, gets right to the point. Their satiriacle attempt at attacking the issue is fail.

Fuck did I do to you?

 

[Blayze2k]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

But that is a silly idealistic notion to have in this world.
Sure, they should be able to wear what they want, but people will target them for rape, just like how you should be able to walk anywhere with your phone and wallet out in your hand,but you don't because someone will steal it.

Or to put it another way:
Would you feel sorry for someone who got mugged when they were walking down a rough neighborhood with cash strapped all over them?
So then why feel sorry for a girl who goes out wearing close to nothing and will be around drunken guys?

That's funny,
No one rapes me when *I* walk around with my shirt unbuttoned, wearing tight jeans.
And I do that. And I'm wicked attractive, if I do say so myself. And I do. And other people do.

Seems like a double standard.
[I'm male, if that wasn't obvious]

There is a trend in our culture of blaming the victim. And it's chauvinist bullshit.

Good for these women for calling society out on it.

Boo to those of you who buy into the chauvinism.

Actually in some cities male rape it on the increase, plus of course it is double standards because men can easily overpower a woman.

These women need to stop being naive and so idealistic. We would all love to live on a fluffy cloud where we can do what we want, but we don't so stop acting like it and take preventative action.

Guns and knives exist. If women really wanted to overpower and rape men, they'd do it. There's more at work here than that. It's a large-scale societal hypocrisy and it should not be ignored.
Also, some women are stronger than some men.

Also, I am aware that male rape is on the rise in some places. That is an issue that should also not be ignored, but it is irrelevant to our conversation.

The idea that you would compare a world where women can wear whatever they want without being raped and then shamed for it, to a "fluffly" ideal world is twisted as fuck.
We have a choice in this. It's not idealism to try to change societal views. Society has been slowly progressing.

Women shouldn't have to live in fear. And yeah, most women do have to take some preventative measures, and most women DO take preventative measures.
The point here is that they should not be ridiculed or shamed for their decisions. We live in a world where rape is wrong, and dressing in revealing clothing is NOT wrong.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

If Jews are being murdered in your country, you don't tell them that they're being too Jewish. That's not the problem you have.

You are of course right, and I understand you're using Jewish as an example of any easily identifiable group. But you could consider as a real world example of discrimination against just this group (not directly related to OP I will grant) what happened in Germany during WWII. Jews were marked and made easily identifiable. By hiding all signs of the faith however, some may well have passed themselves off as non-jews. In a similar way to someone who won't "come out" and instead chooses to keep their homosexuality a secret for fear of not being accepted, discrimination, etc.

More on topic, those women are overreacting and misguided. The law made a statement that gave advice which they are fully at liberty to ignore (and probably do) and that's rightly their choice. But they have statistics on crimes like rape and what have you, and I would bet money that there is a direct and obvious correlation between women who dress slutishly and women who have been sexually assaulted. That is by no means saying there's an absolute causal link between the two (ie. cause does not always equal effect) but I'd be very surprised if a large proprtion of these crimes didn't have that in common.

If they want to parade about power to them, but being a slut, proud or otherwise will not become a positive thing and it will not make them less vulnerable. It's good advice and if, heaven forbid it should happen, they are assaulted I think the police would be well within their rights to say "Told you so". Why choose to make yourself a tempting target knowing well that the world isn't all peaches and cream? I know sluts have better things to do but don't they watch the news/read the paper?

 

[Blayze2k]

and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

The piece of "advice" you refer to, against which they are protesting, is a police officer telling them that "if they don't want to get raped, they shouldn't dress like sluts." That, incidentally, is not advice, it's sexism at its worst. It's blaming the victim. Honestly, it's not all that far from the passage in the bible where it says that if a woman gets raped in the city and doesn't scream loud enough she should be put to death because she should have screamed louder. It's the worst kind of patriarchal bullshit, and it's the kind of attitude that people do need to stand up against.

I don't know that attempting to "reclaim the word slut" is the right way to go about it, but nonetheless, it's important that people stand up and point out that saying things like that isn't going to be tolerated in a civilized society.

And so they protest in a way thats completely undermines their argument.

Morons.

How does this undermine their argument?

Chauvinist.

Cause they're calling themselves sluts.

Word.

Way to miss the entire point just because of a minor semantic issue.

IhateyoubutIcan'tflamebecauseI'llbebannedbutIhopeyouunderstandthatifthiswereareallifeconversationIwouldbeshoutingyoudownrightnow.

Thats the point isn't it? If your protesting those not protesting should be able to understand your position right away. Thats why Fred Phelps is effective. God Hates Fags, doesn't hide the lead, gets right to the point. Their satiriacle attempt at attacking the issue is fail.

Fuck did I do to you?

Is it not bad enough that these women are being accused of being responsible for the crimes that are committed against them, without people having to nitpick their choice of words, and call them morons?
I have friends that are going to that.

You called my friend a moron.

 

[Jake the Snake]

This debate has been done to death. We know in our heads there shouldn't be a double standard, but for some reason, god knows why, there is. Personally? I think we should all stop giving a shit who/how many people you've fucked. Fucking is fun. It's your prerogative.

 

[AgentNein]

... because last time I checked, women who were sensible did not get raped (sensible being: dressing normally, going in groups etc).

You need to do a better job checking then. Because to me it sounds like you're assuming.

 

[Shock and Awe]

Thats like people protesting because the police said yelling "white power" in the bad parts of Detroit was a way to help not getting shot. Its common sense, not much else to say.

 

[Hawgh]

They have lots of casual sex? I find it difficult to be upset at them for this. Good for them.

 

[similar.squirrel]

Sharing is caring. Nothing inherently wrong with being a so-called slut; one has a good time whilst enabling others to do so. Of course, certain diseases may also be shared, but this is an occupational hazard. As for the rape, it's disingenuous to blame the women for dressing provocatively. People should have enough self-control not to dash penis-first at anything in a miniskirt.

More power to them, says I!