However they dress and behave rape is unforgivable. Also it's rather than, not then.TB_Infidel said:rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?
However they dress and behave rape is unforgivable. Also it's rather than, not then.TB_Infidel said:rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?
That's funny,TB_Infidel said:But that is a silly idealistic notion to have in this world.sethzard said:I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.
Sure, they should be able to wear what they want, but people will target them for rape, just like how you should be able to walk anywhere with your phone and wallet out in your hand,but you don't because someone will steal it.
Or to put it another way:
Would you feel sorry for someone who got mugged when they were walking down a rough neighborhood with cash strapped all over them?
So then why feel sorry for a girl who goes out wearing close to nothing and will be around drunken guys?
And so they protest in a way thats completely undermines their argument.Kpt._Rob said:The piece of "advice" you refer to, against which they are protesting, is a police officer telling them that "if they don't want to get raped, they shouldn't dress like sluts." That, incidentally, is not advice, it's sexism at its worst. It's blaming the victim. Honestly, it's not all that far from the passage in the bible where it says that if a woman gets raped in the city and doesn't scream loud enough she should be put to death because she should have screamed louder. It's the worst kind of patriarchal bullshit, and it's the kind of attitude that people do need to stand up against.TB_Infidel said:and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?
I don't know that attempting to "reclaim the word slut" is the right way to go about it, but nonetheless, it's important that people stand up and point out that saying things like that isn't going to be tolerated in a civilized society.
I really, really, really hate double-standards.The_root_of_all_evil said:Far as I know, the law already has. It's yet to tell women that they are unable to rape, as rape is defined as
There's a hell of a lot worse that can be achieved in sexual assault.(1) A person (A) commits an offence if?
(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
emeraldrafael" post="18.282803.11101007 said:Or... you know, we could promote sensible clothing, so the temptation isnt more there (I know, rape is about power and that stuff).
We don't want to go back to edwardien times where clothing meant covering yourself up with many layers upon layers of clothing so everybody forgets what sexuality is. While I don't like the term "Sluts" indicating vigorous promiscuity devoid of personal safety against disease I do however believe that it is men that must change, not fashion. Also, women are beautiful lets live in a world where they are not shackled by fear of sweaty ugly bastards bearing down on them with primal lust.
How does this undermine their argument?SaneAmongInsane said:And so they protest in a way thats completely undermines their argument.Kpt._Rob said:The piece of "advice" you refer to, against which they are protesting, is a police officer telling them that "if they don't want to get raped, they shouldn't dress like sluts." That, incidentally, is not advice, it's sexism at its worst. It's blaming the victim. Honestly, it's not all that far from the passage in the bible where it says that if a woman gets raped in the city and doesn't scream loud enough she should be put to death because she should have screamed louder. It's the worst kind of patriarchal bullshit, and it's the kind of attitude that people do need to stand up against.TB_Infidel said:and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?
I don't know that attempting to "reclaim the word slut" is the right way to go about it, but nonetheless, it's important that people stand up and point out that saying things like that isn't going to be tolerated in a civilized society.
Morons.
Just tell the rapists not to rape them, I'm sure they will listen to reason.sethzard said:I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.
Yes. Is the point. Because the "advice" is worthless, misogynistic victim-blaming that does nothing but help perpetuate a culture where rapists can feel justified and victims feel helpless.Fagotto said:Rather than listening to advice that probably won't come in useful since most rapists know their victims and would restrict their lives they instead choose to have a parade.
TB_Infidel said:Would you feel sorry for someone who got mugged when they were walking down a rough neighborhood with cash strapped all over them?
So then why feel sorry for a girl who goes out wearing close to nothing and will be around drunken guys?
Baby Tea said:Ideally, I should be able to leave my doors unlocked, my keys in my car, and my money on my counter. But it's asking for trouble if I do any of those things.
Generic Gamer said:OK, the actual advice that was given was for women not to dress like sluts to 'avoid trouble', which is a little different to rape.
Rape doesn't rely on the victim's looks but if you take the advice as meaning 'trouble' generally then it's actually pretty good advice. 'Don't dress like a slut if you want people to respect you', seems like good advice to me. The policeman can't afford to be idealistic because he works in The Real World, in The Real World you do need to be aware of what people around you think of you.
And this notion is faulty because you're thinking within the framework of the non-existent reality in which this advice makes sense, wherein sexual desire in men is somehow caused and incited by provocatively-dressed women, and a man can somehow be changed from a normal person into a rapist if he gets sufficiently aroused. This is bullshit. AgentNein has been doing a good job of addressing this already: among causes of rape, provocative dress just isn't a major factor, and dressing modestly isn't going to make you any safer from rape. Same goes for other suggested bullshit factors often used for victim blaming, like location, or company. A woman can be with friends she thought she could trust, in places she thought of as safe, dressed in perfectly acceptable ways, and still be raped - and still people will blame her, with the same bullshit excuses of "shouldn't have dressed like a slut", "shouldn't have gotten drunk around guys", "shouldn't have been asking for it".Lesd3vil said:The way the police said what they said was sexist and insensitive, yes, but the POINT they were trying to get across isn't. It's about making the right decisions to keep yourself safe. You know there are immoral people out there, don't make it easy for them!
No. The protest is a response to the correlation being drawn by other people. You don't need to guess what the numbers are. They don't support your position. You can stop assuming that they might.Baby Tea said:Second: These women in this protest are, themselves, bringing up this point. The one sign says "Don't tell me how to dress, tell men not to rape", presupposing herself that there is a correlation between provocative dress and rape victims. Again: absolutely not empirical evidence, but it wouldn't surprise me if the numbers were solid.
It's never worth saying. Not even once. It starts from the assumption that a woman's chastity is something to be guarded, whereas a man's ability to stick his dick in things is something to be lauded, and piles on the misogyny from there. Don't worry about making sure it's said. It only makes you look like a jackass.dstryfe said:If one key opens many locks, it's a master key, but if one lock is opened by many keys, it's a shitty lock.
How women got to be the lock in the abovementioned statement is probably only superficial, and thus meaningless, but I figured it was worth having said at least once.
This isn't about law. This is about culture.The_root_of_all_evil said:Far as I know, the law already has."Don't tell us how to dress, tell men not to rape"
Privilege 101. It's easy to not care about what society thinks about you when your basic humanity isn't up for debate.Retardinator said:I'd pay them no mind, as always, because I know how much MY personal achievements mean to ME. Besides, you're on a gaming lifestyle forum. You should have had at least one experience when somebody looked down on you for the things you do. Have you grabbed a banner that said "Game=/=Shame" and ran out with it?
It's because they shouldn't ever have to sacrifice their individuality in order to avoid trouble. If I told you to stay in your home your entire life to avoid getting mugged would you take that advice? You likely wouldn't because you're sacrificing something you value to avoid something somebody else is inflicting on you. They have a right to express their individuality any way they like and no one has the right to violate them. Perpetuating this myth of "a man can't control his actions if a woman is dressed provocatively" only serves to perpetuate rape.TB_Infidel said:But the principle is the same. Why was someone taking the risk in being mugged by walking with their wallet exposed? The same goes for sluts. Why are you dressed like that and taking an unnecessary risk? Yes, rape is worse, so surely that means women should grasp onto any advice given to them on how to avoid it rather then act like spoilt kids and do the opposite.
It's a choice and not one that should be looked down upon. People who view it as bad tend to do so from a flawed male oriented perspective. If you genuinely feel that all sex is immoral then feel free to keep that opinion, but a lot of us don't share your point of view and especially don't feel it applies any more to women than it does to men.TB_Infidel said:But that is not their choice is it? Being a slut is a choice, and a one that is already seen as bad before you bring the rape issue into it.
I'm a slut, and proud of it!TB_Infidel said:Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?
I just have to know, are you referring to the stupidity of the people on this forum, because you have read the article and understood what it's actually about being the misogynistic title, or are you referring to the large group of people protesting the right to wear what they damn well please? If one I applaud you, if the other then it becomes even more hilarious, but probably not for the right reasons.Dr. wonderful said:*Facepalm*
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Just, this is all I have to say on the subject at hand.
Wow, you couldn't have made that more misleading. It's about them protesting a judge essentially asking them to enforce a god damn dress code. But only for women, naturally. All so they could not get raped. Honestly, the "If you dress like a slut then you're asking for it," defense has never worked and never will. A judge showing this level of ignorance about the subject is really shocking.TB_Infidel said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013
So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?
Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?