MHR said:
I don't know any Trump supporters that are that smart, so if Jontron likes Trump, this forces me to rethink things a bit.
It should be remembered that Trump won the higher educated white vote over Clinton, and both did pretty close on all levels of education, so there's no correlation between one's stance on the election and one's level of intellect.
erttheking said:
Lebanon is kind of a developing country. Not really comparable to the economic juggernaut of Germany.
Lebanon was also once about the equivalent of the Baltics and South Korea today: the fine line between industrialised and developing. Then they had the same problem Iran had in terms of an Islamic theocratic take over, though unlike in Iran many Lebanese fought back leading to a decades long war.
The Native American tribes regularly went to war with each other, something the colonials actively played up. I don't recall Muslim immigrants ever manipulating first world countries into going to war with each other.
That wasn't the parallel I was drying, I was drawing a parallel between the fact that in peace time settlers took sides in native politics, many times when it didn't make much sense on the surface. We can see this with the same happening with national politics, where political parties that by their claimed ideologies could never rationally get support from Islamists are getting just that (of course a left leaning party that supports left leaning principles is rare these days so there's also that to deal with)
I have a hard time swallowing western democracies signing off on the things that make Islamic states to horrible to live in, just because they've passed some laws you disagree with
So you're saying that the march towards theocracy which is already well under way in places, such as my own nation which is rapidly killing freedom of speech, a founding pillar of Western society, is nothing to be afraid of, and the history of Islamic takeover of nations being repeated is something that should be ignored because for some reason despite the fact it happened in the Middle East, despite the fact it happened in North Africa, despite the fact it happened in Central Asia, despite the fact it happened in India, and despite the fact it happened in Europe once before already, it somehow can't happen here.
As someone who has studied history, I don't for a moment buy the claim that we are seeing the first time the cycle appears to be repeating itself without that actually being the case.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
Please tell me how you think the left views the working class, because I have a nagging feeling it's not 100% accurate.
You mean apart from the Democrats and Labour openly holding them in contempt and advocating policies that harm them? Because as recently as the very stream that was complained about in the OP you had a democrat complaining that the
slave labour illegal immigrant labour in California needs to be kept because despite the fact it's harmful to the working class it's somehow good for the economy as a whole.
Now I'm not a fan of class warfare, but between the betterment of the working class and the betterment of the better off, I think which side the liberal-in-name-only parties should be taking.
Kindly take those fucking words out of my mouth. If you can't argue with me without pulling a strawman argument, don't fucking bother. The only point I was making was that open discrimination doesn't fly in the western world anymore.
On the contrary, open discrimination does fly in the Western world, it just has to be against whites and Asians.
hey will never be net contributors...based on the source of "because I say so." That's a classic anti-immigration tactic BTW
Actually it's a simple acknowledgement of the fact that uneducated, unskilled labour that doesn't even speak the local language who have absolutely no demand for there presence in the workforce by the market, who are doomed to never find employment outside of a rare select few, will not be able to suddenly start being productive members of society. This isn't the strawman of "immigrants can't ever amount to anything", it's the objective statement of fact that THESE SPECIFIC immigrants will never be a net contribution to the countries they have settled in. You don't see me saying Chinese immigrants won't contribute to the countries they move to, you don't see me saying Indian immigrants won't contribute to the countries they move to, hell if you apply the right type of vetting even underdeveloped nations in Africa can have plenty of immigrants who are net contributors to their societies.
Those who entered Europe as part of this uncontrolled, unvetted Islamic immigration open door, however, will not, as a whole, ever reach the point of the resourced they've produced for society equalling those they've consumed. Because that's what happens when you let in a massive number of people who have no skills, no education, no ability to properly communicate with locals and have no means of properly being integrated to top it all off.
It's not immigrants who are inherently unable to contribute to society, it's just the group we've been discussing here from the very beginning. Of course, you knew that already.
A social crisis not seen since the interwar period?
Well okay, maybe the 60s or 70s had something that could be compared to it, but given how many (liberals, ironically) in Germany are complaining about the economic and social cost of the Migrant Crisis, and the fact it's basically pushing the Socialist and AfD into higher popularity, and the fact most Germans openly want an end to Islamic immigration (though to be fair this is true of pretty much all of Europe) it's pretty clear that something isn't right when the only examples of a German not complaining I've seen these past 3 years are second hand statements by non-Germans, while every German I've seen both online and in real life has been adamant that there's a problem that needs to be solved and like hell is Merkel the one who'll do it.
I've seen it quite a bit across the web. "The EU is dead." Last time I checked the organization was still around and Scotland was chomping at the bit to get back in, so let's put the hyperbole away please.
Yes for now the corps hasn't yet had its pulse stop, but the idea that it isn't doomed is at best naive given the fact its core members upon which it is completely reliant have all made clear they will leave in the near future. In 10 years it'll at best be a German economic bloc over Eastern Europe, and it's doubtful that an independent Scotland could manage to join before that happens even if we ignore the fact Spain would use its veto on it joining.
really don't see how you talking about how violent white people can be helps your argument at all. Kind of hurts it actually.
It's actually neutral to it since it doesn't relate to the subject at hand. My simple point with it is that I hope that a peaceful solution like repatriation of the Syrians once the war is over (as well as the illegals who are the bulk of the crisis being sent to their home nations as well) will be taken before it reaches the point of violence. I don't want Yugoslavia to be remembered as a sign of things to come.
