So apparently JonTron is a racist

[McElroy]

He doesn't think things through. This is what happens when you don't. Complain about the complainers too much and that's where you'll end up. It's really easy too. Even I, an exquisitely smart and all-around superior person, sometimes fall for it, but I know when to take a step back and re-evaluate some.

 

[The Lunatic]

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Those are indeed disturbing statistics, but looking at the source of the surveys (see http://i.imgur.com/TZR5I61.png), it appears that the majority of the countries surveyed are from Muslim-majority countries (Russia and Thailand are exceptions I can nominate off the top of my head), and from countries that wouldn't usually be counted among the MEDC bloc (and again, Russia and Thailand would fall under said bloc). It would be more interesting to see statistics from Muslims in countries where they're the minority, and how the statistics stack up based on what generation they're in.

Make no mistake, I think many aspects of Islam are abhorhent, and it's laughable to hear people claim it's a "religion of peace." Still, like practically every religion, the level of commitment does vary by individual. So on one hand, I'm quite happy for people to call Islam out on its BS, like every other religion (even if Islam lends itself to militancy far more readily than, say, Jainism). On the other, I'm wary of lumping every follower into the melting pot. Not every Christian is a young earth, anti-gay, anti-secularist loon after all, to name one example. You can practice a religion and still be a perfectly rational person.

Oh, well, there's been a few.
I'll list headlines, but, as I'm sure you can imagine there's a bit more nuance than just a headline.

40% of Muslims want Sharia law in the UK.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

62% Of British Muslims do not believe in protecting free speech, if it offends religion.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/

0% of 500 Muslims surveyed find homosexual acts to be morally acceptable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality


Seems the younger generation is even more radical than the previous ones. 31% of younger British Muslims believe than the 7/7 bombings were justified, compared to 14% of ones over 45.

So, yeah, the idea that we're importing people into our country that are extremely anti-west, don't have respect for homosexuals or women and they're soon to make up 8% of Europe is pretty worrying.

Now, obviously, I believe there is an individual basis to it. I'm not on the whole "THEY'RE ALL TERRIBLE!!!!" wagon or anything. But, it really does worry me.

My own opinion is that we need to get serious about vetting. We need to ensure the people coming to our nations agree with our way of life and are compatible with it.

 

[RaikuFA]

I mean, really, the interview with Breitbart should've been a pretty big red flag to most people.

Should've taken the Notch route and told them to fuck off.

 

[Hazy992]

I should be surprised that people are defending this crap but I'm really not. If you think a guy saying that immigrants are 'diluting the gene pool' isn't racist then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[fractal_butterfly]

Umberto Eco, who grew up under Mussolini, described what he called "the cult of action for the sake of action" as one of the symptoms of fascism or proto-fascism. To fascists, debate, conversation or reason are automatically signs of effeminacy and weakness. Everything is a crisis requiring immediate action and agreement (in intellectual and scientific circles, disagreement is celebrated as a way of testing and improving human knowledge - to fascists, disagreement is treason).

It seems to me, that the fascists are on the rise on either side of the spectrum, be it left or right.

 

[Charli]

jon no...

Ok so...Im a huge Jontron fan, so I want this to not be true. Now, I have watched alot of Game Grumps, and rewatch his era often, and well, one he tends towards left-wing views, and two...he SUCKS at articulating his views. I dont want to pull a Trump move and say "He doesnt mean anything he says" but I have listened to too many debates he had with Arin where he was totally right, but argued and explained his side absolutely terribly.

I am going to have to watch this whole thing myself before I determine whatever though, cause I don't really trust other's to filter this for me. It is gonna really bum me out though if he said some straight up racist shit.

I agree all evidence for Jon really points him out to be someone who is completely dumb in articulating his political views. At least he's incredibly blunt and blind to how his views don't match up with others experiences, he's not describing and considering while he talks well at all. Which is ...actually in line with how he edits his content, he makes short clips and pulls them into a cohesive narrative later. He's direct in that moment then goes away to think and consider later.

He'd make a terrible debater. No wonder he wasn't enjoying GameGrumps.

Because elements of what he says are true, but they are stated without consideration and accommodation, very generalized and without nuance. The stuff he's spouting isn't totally kosher, I'm not going to apologize him being a dumbass with this. But I do kind of understand why he's saying it.

The bottom line is he shouldn't have. He's not good at it.

For more on that evidence listen to this whole clip from Gamegrumps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3IB6QGJ6A4

NOT ONCE. DID JON FUCKING ARTICULATE WHY OR HOW HE THOUGHT: 'it's not the same'.
The answer was; Jon figured it out on his own while playing during the match. Jon and Arin started out with exactly the same knowledge! But to the unobservant, it was just 'Jon is being a dick and won't tell Arin the thing he needs to know to succeed in the same task during a competitive game'.

 

[Souplex]

Jon Tron's a racist?
Did people care about a Lets Player who wasn't robbaz or rooster teeth? (Apologies for not capitalizing my rs, my r key is broken and I'm copypastaing r to get around it.)

 

[COMaestro]

Where did you get that fact from

The FBI given the conviction rate based on race and cross-referenced with income. Unless there's a massive conspiracy that no one has been able to uncover the existence of, rich black young men are marginally more likely to commit a crime then poor white men are.That really doesn't prove anything. You would need arrest statistics, not conviction rate. All this proves is that a black man is more likely to be found guilty by a jury than a white man. This could be because there are more rich, black, young criminals, or that discrimination and white privilege do exist and poor white men are being let go, guilty or not while black men are being convicted, guilty or not.

 

[Level 7 Dragon]

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[TheMysteriousGX]

Those are indeed disturbing statistics, but looking at the source of the surveys (see http://i.imgur.com/TZR5I61.png), it appears that the majority of the countries surveyed are from Muslim-majority countries (Russia and Thailand are exceptions I can nominate off the top of my head), and from countries that wouldn't usually be counted among the MEDC bloc (and again, Russia and Thailand would fall under said bloc). It would be more interesting to see statistics from Muslims in countries where they're the minority, and how the statistics stack up based on what generation they're in.

Make no mistake, I think many aspects of Islam are abhorhent, and it's laughable to hear people claim it's a "religion of peace." Still, like practically every religion, the level of commitment does vary by individual. So on one hand, I'm quite happy for people to call Islam out on its BS, like every other religion (even if Islam lends itself to militancy far more readily than, say, Jainism). On the other, I'm wary of lumping every follower into the melting pot. Not every Christian is a young earth, anti-gay, anti-secularist loon after all, to name one example. You can practice a religion and still be a perfectly rational person.

Good thing there exists a similar study but for immigrants, then:

https://www.wzb.eu/sites/default/files/u6/koopmans_englisch_ed.pdf

Neat. Where's the survey of Muslim natives? I mean, we wouldn't want to be showing off biased surveys, right?

In mean, I know the USA isn't Europe, but over here there's more support for stuff like LGBT rights and same sex marriage among Muslims that from the dramatically larger and more politically powerful Evangelical Christian population: http://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/chapter-4-social-and-political-attitudes/

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Where did you get that fact from

The FBI given the conviction rate based on race and cross-referenced with income. Unless there's a massive conspiracy that no one has been able to uncover the existence of, rich black young men are marginally more likely to commit a crime then poor white men are.That really doesn't prove anything. You would need arrest statistics, not conviction rate. All this proves is that a black man is more likely to be found guilty by a jury than a white man. This could be because there are more rich, black, young criminals, or that discrimination and white privilege do exist and poor white men are being let go, guilty or not while black men are being convicted, guilty or not.

Hell, despite black folks and whites using marijuana at around the same rates, but black people are over 3.5 times more likely to get arrested for marijuana possession than a white. And then go to prison for it for similar reasons. https://www.aclu.org/report/report-war-marijuana-black-and-white?redirect=criminal-law-reform/war-marijuana-black-and-white

 

[Zacharious-khan]

Gotta remove from the politics from the person if you want to enjoy their content

Can't say I have a stake in this so that's my opinion...

OR IS IT

I'm going to guess it is your opinion, final answer

 

[Rednog]

Jon Tron's a racist?
Did people care about a Lets Player who wasn't robbaz or rooster teeth? (Apologies for not capitalizing my rs, my r key is broken and I'm copypastaing r to get around it.)

I'm always fascinated by people who have to say their two cents on someone and immediately put their foot in their mouth.
Since when has Jon Tron been a Lets Player?

I'm also fascinated that you're quintessential go to examples of Lets Players are Achievement Hunter and Robbaz.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I'm not watching 2 hours of that shit. Did he actually say anything racist? Those quotes in the OP aren't racist. The last one is pretty stupid but racist? Nope.

Well, the first first one is a favorite racist narrative that nobody can source, so there's that. And apparently, whites are being "displaced" by small numbers of brown people with little political power and deliberately ignore the massive genocide of Native Americans. And Muslims aren't trying to "colonize" Europe or the US, and definitely not the same way China was colonizing Tibet. And the Trump thing discounts the whole years long birthed thing and calling for the convictions/executions of the "Central Park 5", a group of black youths he still thinks are guilty despite being proven definitively innocent.

 

[Exley97_v1legacy]

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"Wealthy Blacks commit more crimes than poor whites, thats a fact."

This is true

If you're referring to the frequently cited and often misunderstood paper "Race, Wealth and Incarceration: Results from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth" from Duke University, then no, it's not true.

"I don't recall Trump ever saying anything explicitly racist."

Despite fake news attempts to make Islam and illegal immigrants a race most people are aware of the fact that no, a religion and a specific criminal act is not a race.

Paul Ryan waves hello.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/07/politics/paul-ryan-donald-trump-racist-comment/
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/paul-ryan-trump-judge-223991
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/06/07/paul-ryan-rips-trump-comments-textbook-definition-racist/85548042/

Where did you get that fact from

The FBI given the conviction rate based on race and cross-referenced with income. Unless there's a massive conspiracy that no one has been able to uncover the existence of, rich black young men are marginally more likely to commit a crime then poor white men are.

What FBI stats are you referring to?

 

[BreakfastMan]

Not 100% certain about racist. Now, rock-fucking-stupid and viciously, unashamedly ignorant? That seems obvious from this shit. Hopefully none of this leaks into his channel, as I still enjoy a lot of his scripted video content.

 

[PainInTheAssInternet]

I didn't watch his videos, but my friends did. I occasionally saw some of his content. The best way I can describe what I saw is a combination of AVGN and Nostalgia Critic by way of Epyc Wynn. It's not a potent combination for insightful political opinions. That being said, it is possible to enjoy something even if the artist is abhorrent. Remember Michael Jackson? Chevy Chase? Bill Cosby? Mike Tyson?

 

[Sleepy Sol]

I think I need to make an introduction. Sol... this is the Internet. Internet this is Sol. Interest interests are aggravating people, making up facts, yelling at others because you know they aren't listening and not listening. Have a nice time.

In all seriousness, saying "stop justifying racism" will just make some justify more.

Lol, it's why I don't tend to engage in extended internet arguments at all anymore (especially here, good god). It tends to lead to nothing productive for either side participating. That and, like you said, the interests of some people in being provocative and controversialist since the only joy they can find in life is apparently getting a rise out of people.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

...who is JonTron?