Casual Shinji said:
The Incredibles is a better FF movie than either of them.
Of course it was, but that observation is both as old as the movie itself, and has little to do with Marvel itself, which is why I brought up a Marvel movie.
Not that I'm crying foul or blaming Fox for how they ruined FF, since I've never had any love for this property. I keep hearing how they're the quintessential super hero team, how Reed Richards is the smartest man in the Marvel universe, and how Dr. Doom is its greatest villain and was Darth Vader before Darth Vader, but I generally rank about as high as the Bionic Six. I remember even finding The Fantastic Four cartoon show super lame, and this was at a time when Fox was knocking it out of the park with X-Men and Spider-Man.
One of the things that's always puzzled me about the hate for this movie is the complaint that Miles Teller is too young. Reed was originally a wunderkind. I believe in the Ultiamte universe he's even explicitly young. They all are.
People are quick to call that something is "ruined" anyway. I remember people losing their shit that Matt Smith's Doctor held a gun because The Doctor never carries a gun six episodes after Dave tennant's Doctor held a gun to the head of the Master. People will look for any excuse to complain about something they don't like.
At the same time, neither of the FF movies they released previously were any good, which may indeed come down to lack of passion. But they managed to wring a couple of good X-Men movies out.
I never really followed the FF, and mostly am aware of them through team-ups, crossovers, and event comics (all sort of the same thing), but I mean, that's sort of why I brought up Guardians, too. Marvel's done a good job marketing characters people don't care about. They've got me interested in seeing Ant-Man, they got me to actually want to see Captain America (someone whose motives I've liked, but who I usually found boring in the books) and made people care about Iron Downey and Thor (people who I have followed at some point), etc., etc.
As such, I would love a good FF movie. But, like you, I lack investment in the characters otherwise. It doesn't burn me up that it's considered a bad movie, so much as disappoint me that this is still a thing during the so-called Marvel Renaissance.
Still, Marvel could probably make a working movie with them.
klaynexas3 said:
Not necessarily. Quick Silver was in both Marvel and Fox movies, so it's possible that it could be an up in the air thing.
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were negotiated as part of the Avengers and the X-Men universe, and as such are a special case. While other characters like Silver Surfer and Galactus cross over, they're not so up in the air,
The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon changed the big bad from the Kingpin to Tombstone because rights to Tombstone went to them while rights to Kingpin were part of Daredevil's deal. I bring this up specifically because, despite this deal, Kingpin first appears in Amazing Spider-Man.
It comes down to who, specifically, has been licensed. Though I should note that Fox currently has the rights to all things mutant.
