It doesn't quite get to that point but yes, the final battle has its share of pointless flexing.irishda said:
So! Avengers: Endgame
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I never heard a good argument for taking Infinity War's downer ending seriously, but people did anyway.Silentpony said:
This was the best moment in the movie for me. I felt like a fuckin' kid when that happened and I couldn't have been happier. I'm still excited.bastardofmelbourne said:
What an incredible movie.
People are hyped for this movie for the same reasons that people like sequels and conclusions to stories in other mediums. It's not that hard to deduce once you actually give it some thought.Xprimentyl said:
Possible Spoiler Question:
Did Captain Marvel, and her alone, ended up beating and/or killing Thanos? And if not, how much of a presence was she in the entire movie?
Samtemdo8 said:
From what I've heard she's barely in the movie. One 'leak' I read said Thanos kills her during the first revenge punch-up and she's gone until the final battle. Haven't seen, but that's what i've heard
Samtemdo8 said:
She's barely in the movie. She rescues Tony and Nebula from being lost in space at the very beginning, gets a haircut and then fucks off to another galaxy for the rest of the movie until the final battle, where she doesn't do anything important. She briefly gets the upper hand on Thanos at the end but he swats her off and that's that.
Silentpony said:
Not true. Thanos doesn't kill anybody in the movie, or at least no "name" characters.
Silentpony said:
She's in the movie. Mostly in the beginning and ending. She doesn't get an arc like the other characters, she just shows up. Thanos doesn't kill people. He killed enough in the previous movie.
I think it was old-fashioned caution. For all of the great films the MCU has produced, the guys holding the purse-strings were pretty dedicated to the old maxim of "female protagonists don't sell tickets in action films."TheIronRuler said:
They just weren't completely sure that Captain Marvel would succeed. And because they've been filming Endgame basically ever since they stopped filming Infinity War, they had to film all of Brie Larson's scenes in Endgame before they knew for sure whether she would be even worth including as a character.
Disclosure: I haven't seen Captain Marvel, because the character doesn't interest me that much and there was another Captain Marvel [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shazam!_(film)] whose film actually looked more interesting. So I can say for sure; you don't need to see Captain Marvel to understand her role in Endgame. All you need to know is that she's from space and she's strong.
Samtemdo8 said:
No. Captain Marvel's overall role in the film was actually quite low. She's completely absent from the second act, for example. She shows up at the start to save Tony Stark from dying in space, and she shows up at the end to blow up Thanos' capital ship and then exchange some punches with him before getting knocked offscreen.
Thanos is defeated by Captain America, Thor and Iron Man, with Scarlet Witch getting some shots in as revenge for Vision.
Thanos is defeated by Captain America, Thor and Iron Man, with Scarlet Witch getting some shots in as revenge for Vision.
Well, not really. "Super power porn" is a pretty accurate description. I won't dispute it.Xprimentyl said:
The film doesn't accomplish any masterworks of plotting, nor does it wring out any Oscar-worthy performances from its actors. It's pure fanservice, made impressive largely because of how well-executed the fanservice is. There are some very hefty emotional beats, but they hit the hardest if you're a fan.
One spoilery example:
The final shot of the film is a little suburban house somewhere in America somewhen in the 1950s, with the front door slightly ajar and some music playing. It pans across to the window, where we can see Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter slow-dancing to some music.
The significance of this is unstated in the film itself. You have to have seen Captain America: The First Avenger, and to have known that as Steve was flying the Red Skull's doombomber into the ocean (where he would be frozen for seventy years), he was promising Peggy that he would come back...because he'd promised he'd take her for a dance. He's cut off mid-transmission, and the final line of his film - right after finding out that he's seventy years in the future and has overshot Peggy's entire life - is the fairly heartbreaking "I had a date."
The significance of this is unstated in the film itself. You have to have seen Captain America: The First Avenger, and to have known that as Steve was flying the Red Skull's doombomber into the ocean (where he would be frozen for seventy years), he was promising Peggy that he would come back...because he'd promised he'd take her for a dance. He's cut off mid-transmission, and the final line of his film - right after finding out that he's seventy years in the future and has overshot Peggy's entire life - is the fairly heartbreaking "I had a date."
You would only feel anything from that scene if you were a Marvel fan who'd been paying attention since at least 2011. If you weren't, it's meaningless pap. But if you were...
Certain characters do stay dead after Endgame, and the film itself has casualties that aren't reversed.Johnny Novgorod said:
That's not really what happens. Arrow boy is 100% USDA-certified badass in this film, but he never tries to punch Thanos. He just does some really fucking cool shit with a bow. (And a sword.)irishda said:
As for the other two...it's spoilery.
Black Widow dies at the end of the second act; she and Hawkeye went to get the Soul Stone without knowing - as Thanos found out - that it can only be taken if you give up the thing you love most. (For Black Widow and Hawkeye, that's their maybe-platonic-maybe-not relationship.)
When they find out, they immediately fight over which of them is going to sacrifice themselves so that their bestie can take the Soul Stone back to the present and complete the Infinity Gauntlet. Black Widow "wins."
As for Captain America - he does fight Thanos hand-to-hand. But he does it while holding Mjolnir, which imbues him with the power of Thor.
When they find out, they immediately fight over which of them is going to sacrifice themselves so that their bestie can take the Soul Stone back to the present and complete the Infinity Gauntlet. Black Widow "wins."
As for Captain America - he does fight Thanos hand-to-hand. But he does it while holding Mjolnir, which imbues him with the power of Thor.
He still loses, though.
None of the Avengers actually beat Thanos in a straight fight. Which is surprising, considering that he doesn't even have the Infinity Gauntlet like he did in Infinity War. It takes Iron Man using his suit as a makeshift Gauntlet to perform a Snap in order to actually kill Thanos.
That's how tough Thanos is in this film. They literally have to wish him away with an omnipotent reality-warping gauntlet.
That's how tough Thanos is in this film. They literally have to wish him away with an omnipotent reality-warping gauntlet.
I know, right?!Adam Jensen said:
And that's why it's a success. This is how you end 10 years of buildup. Fanservice is exactly what this movie needed to be.bastardofmelbourne said:
The feels, man. The feels.bastardofmelbourne said:
Sorry to poop the party. It's crap. Those end credits, man, almost threw up in my mouth (because it was a long movie and I had snacks but nothing to drink). So derivative, even pulls stuff from Aquaman. But Nebula in that frontier-whatever-leather(?) outfit oh damn (and there are two of them xD) and then they focus on STEVE'S ASS? Okay, some spoilerinos:
The funniest thing though? We're still playing Fortnite in 2024. And driving a slick Audi. There is a fucking Audi commercial in the middle of the film, btw. Doesn't rival the eggregious levels of Chevy in Winter Soldier, but I doubt nothing ever will.
I don't mind the all American ass. Same with the hammer dance, but please let the viewer have those damn moments. Don't fuck it up by the characters basically telling the audience "you wanted this shit and now you got it! *wink*" Heil Hydra was great -- Cap would definitely show that smirk.
Oh dear the audience. There was a woman sitting behind me actually saying "oh my god" (in English, and this is a Finnish theatre we're sitting in) every time something of note happened. And there are things I liked too, most of them are small things, but the time heist was a fun adventure for the most part, like Tilda Swinton's appearance. The humour? Miss miss miss miss miss and a handful of hits like Big-Chris. Just like back in Age of Ultron when I was the only one laughing at Stark's quip about prima nocta, I was the only one who even seemed to register Widow's remark about how much she knew about quantum physics. 'Cause y'know... Plenty of people in the theater ate up those tired, oh so tired jokes.
The film doesn't look good. I saw it on IMAX and it was mostly simply ugly, and oh boy all of that digital make-up: de-age, re-age, bulk up, shrink down... Okay the shrink-effect is still okay. Also the time tunnel looked fine -- almost as good as the one in Austin Powers and about one tenth as good as in Back to the Future. They dare to shit on that movie too, that's heavy. When they fired it up for the first time I couldn't help but start playing the opening theme to Farscape in my head.
What does it pull from Aquaman? Valkyrie jousting the mechanical worm and a couple of Thanos' dance moves with the axe-sword he stole from LoL's Draven.
It's a 4/10.
Oh dear the audience. There was a woman sitting behind me actually saying "oh my god" (in English, and this is a Finnish theatre we're sitting in) every time something of note happened. And there are things I liked too, most of them are small things, but the time heist was a fun adventure for the most part, like Tilda Swinton's appearance. The humour? Miss miss miss miss miss and a handful of hits like Big-Chris. Just like back in Age of Ultron when I was the only one laughing at Stark's quip about prima nocta, I was the only one who even seemed to register Widow's remark about how much she knew about quantum physics. 'Cause y'know... Plenty of people in the theater ate up those tired, oh so tired jokes.
The film doesn't look good. I saw it on IMAX and it was mostly simply ugly, and oh boy all of that digital make-up: de-age, re-age, bulk up, shrink down... Okay the shrink-effect is still okay. Also the time tunnel looked fine -- almost as good as the one in Austin Powers and about one tenth as good as in Back to the Future. They dare to shit on that movie too, that's heavy. When they fired it up for the first time I couldn't help but start playing the opening theme to Farscape in my head.
What does it pull from Aquaman? Valkyrie jousting the mechanical worm and a couple of Thanos' dance moves with the axe-sword he stole from LoL's Draven.
It's a 4/10.
The funniest thing though? We're still playing Fortnite in 2024. And driving a slick Audi. There is a fucking Audi commercial in the middle of the film, btw. Doesn't rival the eggregious levels of Chevy in Winter Soldier, but I doubt nothing ever will.
God I had a fat chick sitting in front of me that kept swaying frantically and rocking the seats around her every time Iron Man called someone a funny name.McElroy said:
I count two characters from Infinity War confirmed absolutely dead by the end of Endgame, and neither of them are that big a deal. As for Endgame casualties... whatever. It's been 23 movies. About time. I would care more if contract negotiations hadn't been so blatantly transparent these past few years, and I didn't know who wants out and who wants to stay in.bastardofmelbourne said:
I mean its 5 years after half of the population vanished, I doubt people are waiting to get into the next big gaming fad.McElroy said:
Ugh....and I never found Marvel's sense of humor that funny and always found it cringe and distracting.Johnny Novgorod said:
That, or every game dev except Epic got snapped. Tho that would be a special kind of evil, even for Thanos.PapaGreg096 said:
I'm in the kind of lukewarm camp on it.
It is primarily a nostalgia tour for a long run of movies that I found the majority of to be solid summer blockbuster action movies, but only a bare handful really popped. So yeah, that aspect didn't necessarily do much for me.
The resolution was somewhat better set up then the comic version (which was basically "All a dream" as the snap went), but its still effectively a few hours to just largely reset the last film and get a few actors a sendoff. As mentioned, there's nothing exactly unpredictable in the outcomes here.
It is primarily a nostalgia tour for a long run of movies that I found the majority of to be solid summer blockbuster action movies, but only a bare handful really popped. So yeah, that aspect didn't necessarily do much for me.
The resolution was somewhat better set up then the comic version (which was basically "All a dream" as the snap went), but its still effectively a few hours to just largely reset the last film and get a few actors a sendoff. As mentioned, there's nothing exactly unpredictable in the outcomes here.
So yeah, they invent a time machine, because of course that's possible using ye olde magic Pym particles. They kind of set up the quantum realm and all that, so it wasn't just "Oh, Doom gave Thanos a fake reality stone and caught him in an illusion" from the comics but it wasn't exactly a brilliantly fresh idea either.
Thor becoming a GotG was a bit unexpected, although given the tone/theme of Ragnarok it does make sense they'd go that way. Other than Hulk, who really hasn't even got a fair shake at a solo outing, Thor's kind of struggled as an individual character, so keeping him teamed up is probably a good idea. and the lighter tone seems to work better to Hemsworth's strengths.
Thor becoming a GotG was a bit unexpected, although given the tone/theme of Ragnarok it does make sense they'd go that way. Other than Hulk, who really hasn't even got a fair shake at a solo outing, Thor's kind of struggled as an individual character, so keeping him teamed up is probably a good idea. and the lighter tone seems to work better to Hemsworth's strengths.
Endgame is definitely style over substance, similar to Dark Knight. You have to let go of some very glaring logical fallacies for this to make sense, just like you had to in Dark Knight.
Almost everyone who was a major part of the MCU had at least a cameo. It squared so many circles at once that only a couple of minor parts were left dangling. Some deliberately. Some not
But...
Almost everyone who was a major part of the MCU had at least a cameo. It squared so many circles at once that only a couple of minor parts were left dangling. Some deliberately. Some not
But...
Did Captain America kiss a relation in Civil war?
If Thanos could make everyone more respectful of the environment/resources, why wasn't that Plan A
It's now 5 years in the future but Tom Holland didn't finish school. Imagine having to figure out birthdays from now on.half the planet would be five years younger than their DOB days
If Thanos could make everyone more respectful of the environment/resources, why wasn't that Plan A
It's now 5 years in the future but Tom Holland didn't finish school. Imagine having to figure out birthdays from now on.half the planet would be five years younger than their DOB days
I think this movie's biggest fault is I think it will fall a little bit short if you go in blind. There's so much of it you will enjoy if you watched much of the other ones. For all of its faults like Infinity War it's a comic book mega crossover come to life in the best way but still with its own problems.
10/10 for personal enjoyment but if I'm rating it on but someone with not as much baggage as me 8/10
* I can see some people having problems with what they did with Thanos but it works out pretty well for me. I've always thought of Thanos in Infinity War as a dark reflection of not just the heroes in the movie but the concept of a hero. He wants justice but not real Justice just personal vindication and to make up for how he failed not help others. They really shining this hero/villain dynamic on Tony Stark. Him being pissed that everyone doesn't like that he kill half the universe and him going "A god am I" mode works.
* Also this movie Kill 3 characters ( plus 2 that stay died)
** Vision and Gamora stay dead not much to say there except we get an alternate timeline Gamora. Will be interesting to see how Guardians 3 handle this
** Black widows death is probably the most surprising to me, she gave her life so Hawkeye could have a happy ending that was a really ballsy thing they did there.
** Iron Man's death was just perfect, A great end for the character.
** Captain America ending I'm of 2 minds. On one hand it's beautiful, Finally being able to fulfill that promise he made to his love and getting to retire. on the other hand the way time travel Works in this movie this makes no sense. I thought we were going by Dragon Ball Z logic where it create a new timeline separate from the main one. I guess that's only the case sometimes. Also don't get me wrong I love the falcon, but in the MCU their relationship isn't that big. I would think Bucky would have a bigger connection with Cap to get the shield.
* Even Captain Marvel who isn't in the movie that much get some cool moments like taking on the ship or forcing Thanos to use one of the Infinity Stones before Captain Marvel ripped his arms off, also that headbutt moment was hilarious and awesome.
* Nebula continues to be a surprisingly fantastically written character, it will be a joy to see her in the next Guardians
* There's a lot of other great stuff in this movie like a lot of the character bits. Thor just steals the show, I was genuinely surprised by that Hulk reveal, Hawkeye will take no shit now, Ant-Man surprisingly had a lot of really awesome moments (I have not seen his own movies but he was great). Doctor Strange is Master being surprisingly awesome
* A small complaint I have is rocket and Warmachine they're funny and both of them get one good moment of character interaction but that's about it
* Captain America holding the hammer was one of the most badass moments in the movie if not the series
* Also they never really addressed Loki just took the cube and nope out.
* Also this movie Kill 3 characters ( plus 2 that stay died)
** Vision and Gamora stay dead not much to say there except we get an alternate timeline Gamora. Will be interesting to see how Guardians 3 handle this
** Black widows death is probably the most surprising to me, she gave her life so Hawkeye could have a happy ending that was a really ballsy thing they did there.
** Iron Man's death was just perfect, A great end for the character.
** Captain America ending I'm of 2 minds. On one hand it's beautiful, Finally being able to fulfill that promise he made to his love and getting to retire. on the other hand the way time travel Works in this movie this makes no sense. I thought we were going by Dragon Ball Z logic where it create a new timeline separate from the main one. I guess that's only the case sometimes. Also don't get me wrong I love the falcon, but in the MCU their relationship isn't that big. I would think Bucky would have a bigger connection with Cap to get the shield.
* Even Captain Marvel who isn't in the movie that much get some cool moments like taking on the ship or forcing Thanos to use one of the Infinity Stones before Captain Marvel ripped his arms off, also that headbutt moment was hilarious and awesome.
* Nebula continues to be a surprisingly fantastically written character, it will be a joy to see her in the next Guardians
* There's a lot of other great stuff in this movie like a lot of the character bits. Thor just steals the show, I was genuinely surprised by that Hulk reveal, Hawkeye will take no shit now, Ant-Man surprisingly had a lot of really awesome moments (I have not seen his own movies but he was great). Doctor Strange is Master being surprisingly awesome
* A small complaint I have is rocket and Warmachine they're funny and both of them get one good moment of character interaction but that's about it
* Captain America holding the hammer was one of the most badass moments in the movie if not the series
* Also they never really addressed Loki just took the cube and nope out.
10/10 for personal enjoyment but if I'm rating it on but someone with not as much baggage as me 8/10