So MovieBob had some crap to say about that there Mass Effect 3 thingy...
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The thing is i had a really high opinion of bob until this, but it has just dropped consideribly he is being really stupid,
But i will say i do not want them to change the ending i would like them to pull some blow your mind shit like that the indoctrination theory is right and if you chose the red destroy option in the new dlc (I think it was said it was going to be free but i can't conform) your body is found and you fight the reapers of earth and activate the crucible or whatever but if you chose say the green synthesis (or whatever it was called) You serve the fucking reapers and use the reaper forces to destroy the crucible and the allied fleet, like that shit would blow everyones fucking minds
But i will say i do not want them to change the ending i would like them to pull some blow your mind shit like that the indoctrination theory is right and if you chose the red destroy option in the new dlc (I think it was said it was going to be free but i can't conform) your body is found and you fight the reapers of earth and activate the crucible or whatever but if you chose say the green synthesis (or whatever it was called) You serve the fucking reapers and use the reaper forces to destroy the crucible and the allied fleet, like that shit would blow everyones fucking minds
I'm going to use a much-loved-to-hate franchise by Moviebob to prove a point. It's like Transformers. If you had no idea there was any previous Transformers anything, would the Michael Bay movies seem that bad? It wouldn't be inappropriate for them to look like that, or for the movies to focus too much on the humans, or their personalities to be wrong? No. You might not think it was great, but you wouldn't hate it nearly so much.
Y'see, the ME3 ending is like that. I watched the ending(didn't play it, no context, just watched the last 20-30 mins of the game) and didn't have too many problems with it. Not great, not even good really, but not terrible. Okay, the color coded endings were kinda lame, but what's the big deal? Then I found out the framing and back-story behind it, not to mention the promises made before the games release, and I think the people who are upset have a right to be mad! To put it simply, they(Bioware) done fucked it up for eerybody!
Y'see, the ME3 ending is like that. I watched the ending(didn't play it, no context, just watched the last 20-30 mins of the game) and didn't have too many problems with it. Not great, not even good really, but not terrible. Okay, the color coded endings were kinda lame, but what's the big deal? Then I found out the framing and back-story behind it, not to mention the promises made before the games release, and I think the people who are upset have a right to be mad! To put it simply, they(Bioware) done fucked it up for eerybody!
The point was I was dissatisfied with the product and seeking a refund because of the ending, you see. And, seeing as I'm not a lawyer or lobbyist, I have no clue how to go about changing those policies. I think that might actually solve the issue. If Bioware could lose the sales from dissatisfied customers they would've put more thought and effort into writing an ending without arbitrary plot twists and loose threads. And if dissatisfied fans could return games they dislike, they actually could "talk with [their] wallet" like I see so many people harp on. Or maybe games should have a "pre-screening" before release (not talking about beta-testing. That only checks for bugs in the programming, not bugs in the writing).Realitycrash said:
Now why the hell would I go and watch yet another video in which Bob here calls me a dickhead for having an opinion that differs from his?
05:54 - He says that "The ending sucks" is a valid complaintendtherapture said:
06:14 - "I'm not suggesting that people don't have the right to be unhappy, that would be rediculous"
06:40 - "I am not saying you don't have a right to be upset about the end of Mass Effect"
Letter-campaign, start a free-domain website and spread awareness, turn to your local political, etc.AdamRhodes said:
Yes, all of these takes effort, but isn't impossible. If you are serious, it is your duty as a citizen to act on your conviction. If you aren't, you are just lazy and bitching (harsh, I know, but true. Then again, we all do this now and again, I can relate)
Well, you are in luck, Bioware might actually lose sales, and will most likely listen to this criticism and act on it in the future.
Prescreenings will tell you as much as a trailor will, though. Not more, or it will ruin the actual sale. And oh, we have those. They are called demos.
..You know what an Argumentum Ad Hominem is? It's a logical fallacy. Look it up.Rawne1980 said:
Still, his point isn't even about games at all. It's about creators right to not be forced to edit their finished products.
The demo for ME3 told us nothing about the plot we didn't already know from press releases and commercials: The Reapers are attacking Earth. What I had in mind was take some fans(randomly or lottery or whatever), let them play the finished game you plan to release in order to get honest feedback. Now, obviously, these opinions aren't going to totally represent the opinions of everyone, but if something is obviously wrong to them, you know that it doesn't work like you pictured. Instead, we have MASSIVE fan outrage over 5-10 minutes of an otherwise (so I've heard) nearly perfect game.
What I took away from this is that Bob is a Film Critic. There are some legitimate arguments against the "Take Back Mass Effect" drive.
"Player Driven Stories are bad" is not one of them. Player engagement and collaboration in the story is a central part of games and what makes them so different from other mediums. By harping on about that here, Bob pretty much makes the mistake of making games follow the same rules as his chosen medium: film.
Someone needs to find "here's the point. You missed it" img and send it to Bob.
"Player Driven Stories are bad" is not one of them. Player engagement and collaboration in the story is a central part of games and what makes them so different from other mediums. By harping on about that here, Bob pretty much makes the mistake of making games follow the same rules as his chosen medium: film.
Someone needs to find "here's the point. You missed it" img and send it to Bob.
The only things about it that irritate me is that a) it most certainly is, so to say otherwise is tantamount to saying that the sun revolves around the Earth, and b) video games not "being taken seriously" wouldn't really matter if society wasn't a thing, but it is, so not giving them the same status as any other art form prevents games like Six Days in Fallujah from being produced (a movie or a novel about Fallujah wouldn't have met the shitstorm the game did). I think when people call for video games to be treated like art, they don't mean for their hobby to be glorified, or to satisfy their need for acceptance; I think what they really mean is for games to stop being treated like children's toys.endtherapture said:
To be fair six days in Fellujah wasn't released because of the stigma, it wasn't like banned or anything. Which I think is backwards. We should be releasing these games whether society takes us seriously or not because that is how we will be taken seriously. Right now we are treating the art title like we have to have it to make these kinds of games, not that we will get it once we started making more games like six days.Dethenger said:
This is very true. I think he does have a point when it comes to player-driven narrative still being a million miles away from the players being involved in the creative process, and I do think that, as bad as the endings were, they have now officially been blown out of all proportion (as internet fandom is wont to do).Abandon4093 said:
But, yeah.
I feel sorry for you.endtherapture said:
I mean most people who make that much of an ass of them selves usually do it on the second page but this is the first post.
I was going to pick your post apart but there are probably a thousand other people who are going to do the same thing, so I'll spare you.
But I also feel sorry for my self, because I'm on the same side of the argument as you. I want a new Mass Effect ending too. Most people are trying to say Bioware's setting a dangerous precedent by changing the ending to ME 3. But I don't understand why. (From where I stand they've also set a dangerous precedent for terrible endings too.) They already changed the ending to Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 2 with DLC. Why does people wanting it make it worse? Or bad at all?
From all that I've seen (which hasn't been all that much so I might be wrong) nobody's telling Bioware how to end the story, just that they should change it. That reeks just as much of desperation as of entitlement. There using all their misguided "They owe us" comments because (Well that's a tricky one, some people actually believe it. [sub]dumb sods[/sub]) they are pretty damn sure that "Please" won't work. And a Boycott is not an option, because gamers have already proven they can't stick to a boycott to save their lives. The only course of action they have left is to act like children and hope for the best.
It's a bad situation, the odds that anybody's going to come out of it satisfied are practically nil.
Well, no, it wasn't outright banned or anything, but people flipped more shit than a fecal-matter acrobat, and as a consequence, the publisher pulled out like it was a one-night stand. That's more or less the issue-- we certainly should be releasing the games regardless, but publishers can't invest in a game that nobody is going to buy. So, the stigma didn't get it prohibited, it just drove away potential customers.him over there said:
I do entirely agree that it's backwards, though. People do need to start making the games first. Talented people, I mean. I'm pretty sure a lot of Indie games are "artsy," but for every genuinely thought-provoking game that's fun, there's a thousand that are boring and filled with pseudo-intellectual horseshit that are simply not worth playing any more than a pretentious film-student's movie is worth sitting through.