So notch is an assh*le......

[Dfskelleton]

So Notch said something to those yogscast douchebags? That's freaking awesome. If I were in his position, I wish I would have the balls to do something like that.
Notch, on behalf of... me, thumbs up.

He was making false accusations and damaging there business, doesn't matter though as long as people you hate are getting hurt right?

Business? You mean making Minecraft LPs? That's not exactly what I would call "business".
Getting hurt? "Oh Boo Hoo! He said mean words to us! When will the hurting stop!?"

I wouldn't really call making a horribly coded, bugged game in Java with chunks of content missing out of it on release a business either.

Notch is one of the greediest developers there is, he didn't even pay for admissions to them, accuses them of doing things they didn't do and then his little company attempts to sell them out. Also, did you not realize that their forums were DDOS'd to the ground?

Notch fanboys are so delirious it's unbelievable.

Notch fanboy? Hmm, never been called that before.
As a reply to all of the flame I seem to have stirred from this morning to now, let me rephrase what I said earlier:
I do not like the two guys from Yogscast. They're just the type of people that strike me as douchebags. Something about them just bothers me. So, contrary to all the "geez, what a dick" comments, I find the situation to be pretty funny all in all. All of the sudden, the developer starts throwing childish comments at people who are usually doing the same, and then they respond in a way I could even classify as "mature". It's so blissfully ironic.

Another thing however that I must point out is that you act as if "Notch is greedy" will be news to me. That's where I'm lost.

 

[NiPah]

i am compleatly unbiased here, i never herd of yogscast till now and have alwayes felt meh about minecraft, but more and more notch is acting like a dick, first the bethesda thing and now this, hes letting all this herowhorship go to his head and he thinks his shit dont stink

Think you should look up the word "unbiased" there mate.

 

[Peteron]

We don't know the whole story, so there is little discussion value here. I'm not taking sides until I know facts.

 

[Adultism]

I still do not see how minecraft is so popular, even to this day.

I enjoyed terraria more.

Both are fun, but I dunno how it became such a huge sensation.

 

[HalfBakedCheeto]

I'll just pretend Minecraft is still made by that nice guy wearing a hat and beard, who's married and loves people. Problem solved.

Also http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/139722432251568129

 

[Nouw]

He donated $10,000 to Child's Play in Desert Bus for an auction yesterday. He is definitely not an asshole.

I once gave $1 to a homeless person, Im still an asshole though.

See the guy who quoted me. Who was this homeless person just out of curiosity. A friend or someone on the street?

He donated $10,000 to Child's Play in Desert Bus for an auction yesterday. He is definitely not an asshole.

Giving money to charity doesn't stop one from being an asshole.

Well I guess it's both yes and no but what I've seen in this thread about him apologizing, I can still conclude that he is not an asshole.

Apologizing certainly does help. But the matter should of been settled privately in the first place.

So the public announcement was the 'private settlement?' I think he should have done it privately. We agree on something, yay!

 

[Nouw]

Accidental double-post. Ignore please.

 

[Aprilgold]

Or Simon and Lewis could just be trying to cover their asses. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
I'm more inclined to believe Notch over those two. Sure, they're funny, but they aren't exactly what you'd call "Mature."

Exactly, hell, Notch apolgized in a tweet for acting with a knee jerk.

I don't like Yogscast and I know many reasons why I shouldn't, their not my type of humor, constant swearing doesn't make your sketch British humor. They have so many subscribers they feel like their famous, so they're videos are filled with cockiness, hold on a minute while I fetch a reddit post.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/mkew4/my_experience_with_the_yogscast_team_at_minecon/

This is from someone who worked there. This is a good piece of the puzzle here. After that there was a video by Hero on youtube who's video I could NOT find. But if you pay attention to it, there were plenty of swears being thrown around by them and even the snide comment that their Yogbox mod made Minecraft great, and that vanilla was awful. I very much doubt their being serious and instead are just covering their own ass. Notch gains nothing for defacing Yogscast and what not.

Honestly, you don't drop 20 F bombs infront of children, ya' just don't.

Notch is one of the greediest developers there is, he didn't even pay for admissions to them, accuses them of doing things they didn't do and then his little company attempts to sell them out. Also, did you not realize that their forums were DDOS'd to the ground?

Notch fanboys are so delirious it's unbelievable.

Can you give me anything to tell me that he is greedy, last I checked he spent 10,000$ on a children's fund. Your saying hes greedy when the only greedy thing I can think of him doing was basically buying a IP from someone to avoid a lawsuit. But that game has been dead for a while before the purchase, so I doubt it would be a problem either way.

And yes, they were invited there and only decided last minute that they would be there, I think you can't give money to people while on a plane.

Another reply, its put in spoilers for space:

Spoiler

God I hate yogscast, I hope they crash and burn for this.

God I hate Notch I hope he crashes and burns and loses that lawsuit for this.


See? I can act like a giant douche too

Yep! And you have every right to that opinion.

Actually, in a questioning standpoint, the opinion he is sharing is actually incorrect, due to Yogscast wouldn't be making money from their Minecraft Lets Plays and what not if Notch didn't allow them too, because Youtube will remove anything if a copyright holder sees the material online and does not want it. So, technically, without Minecraft they would not be as big. Also, I agree with you and your first post.

 

[A Free Man]

Well I am not going to claim to know anything real about all this stuff. But as far as I'm concerened it is most likely Notch who is at fault here. All I know is that every time one of these big contraversies occur it is always Notch who first alerts the internet without talking to the other party first. I really don't like that as it is clear from such actions that he has no interest in working any of the issues out and is more interested in looking good in front of the public. Why else would he bother to slander people publicly even before actually talking to them about it. Regardless of whether or not what he said was true, that is just not right.

 

[Magnicon]

Anyone who has followed minecraft since it became popular shouldn't be surprised. Notch has a history of acting childish and unprofessional.

I find it odd that the thing that pissed notch off the most is cursing in front of children.

1. Invite people who curse to children on youtube regularly to Minecon.
2. Go over the preview of their set, and not say anything about watching language.
3. They curse.
4. Flip out on them.
5. Fail to mention that whole thing where Mojang employees cursed on stage in front of children during the Cobalt bit. Oops?
6. Talks about masturbation in an interview for Minecon.
7. Makes a joke about having sex with Simons mother in an interview for Minecon.

Also this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeqODZQCKyI
I can't stand the yogscast, but notch comes off terribly throughout this entire interview.

 

[Instant K4rma]

It doesn't matter who's right or wrong in this scenario. Notch made Minecraft. He wins. Right?

Right?

 

[JackWestJr]

tl;dr. cmon, how can you expect a gamer to have the attention span to read that much?

 

[mooncalf]

As someone who works in cons I get how they can be a seething storm of petty drama, often stupid amounts of money and convoluted threads of responsibility are riding on seemingly insignificant things (e.g. tables and chairs and rope barriers) and it takes one part buddha and two parts ***** to ensure smooth operation. Tension and stress all get focused into a few short days and by the end it's always tempting to explode. I'm sure these reasonable adults will work things out, and if not, oh well, stuff happens!

 

[pwned123456]

Hm, the word of the founder of the convention, who actually just donated another $10k to Desert Bus last night, and is always open and honest with his fans vs. the word of two Youtube celebrities who have a history of being profane and immature.

Yeah. Let's totally accuse Notch of being an asshole.

youre looking at it wrong the profanity and immaturity of yogscast is a joke and the same goes for notch and his little escapades but notch takes it too far when he does his jokes the yogscast stop

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Don't you just love the internet? People take sides without knowing anything about the issue!

This. In fact this is an awesome summary of life.

I dont believe any story so 100% one sided. At least dont post bias statements like this or you are worse than those "reabid fanboys" you talk down to like filth slaves to give yourself a sense of superiority over those who just have a different opinion to you. Yes mr Op your article is 100% right and anyone who says otherwise is a notch fanboy subhuman who should be spat apon and laughed at. Damn people who review a lot of sources and come to a different conclusion to me who only reads one!

I think notch is a bit of a dick for other reasons. However he donated 10k to desert bus so i cant hate the guy too much.

It was proabably a mis understanding between the people who were tired drunk and confused about the situation. Its sad but it happens. This is like the escapist and extra credits all over again. So much goddam ignorance on the issue, so many strong opinions.

I actually think there is a corralation to the amount someone doesnt know about an issue and the strength of the conviction in their arguement.

Turns out notch made it up, yep all of it for no good reason. He sold the rightsof there video without consent and slandered there name. and now notch fanboys are DDOSing their website and losing them subscribers, and notchs response?

"Fair enough"

You've got to be fucking kidding me...... I think a full apology and compensation is in order and notch needs to stop acting like a spoiled celebrity.

 

[Gorobrin]

well they both have a history of immaturity. I'm willing to bet they both know that this whole thing was just stupid by now.

 

[Gutkrusha]

As for paying for travel, food, ect. No one else got that did they? >.>; Simon an Lewis make alot of money off of youtube. Its not like they cant afford it. Wernt their tickets and rooms free? Rooms alone can be pretty expensive in Las Vegas, especially when there's a convention being held, and rooms can be book ahead of time.

They paid for their own tickets, food, and everything else. Mojang offered them 2 rooms. You can't really do 10 people in 2 rooms.

As to the actual...debacle of this whole situation, I truly believe Notch is in the wrong.

Not because of what happened at the event, not because of what the Yogscast guys did/did not do/said.

He's in the wrong because he made it public without speaking to the possible offenders about the issue. He simply disregarded any decency or fairness and just tried to set his fans against another group without getting all of the facts or any proof.

He may think of himself as just a nerdy guy who programs games, but he isn't anymore. He's the mouthpiece of a multi-million dollar company with a massive amount of fans that hang on his every word. Until he matures or at least learns to use a little foresight, he needs to either shut the hell up or hire a PR manager.

 

[Aprilgold]

can someone tell me what happened with extra creditz? it seems there was some kind of saga around it at some point.. mind filling me in? please...

*Sighs at the fact I have to do this again* Extra Credits ran a fund raiser so they could pay for their artists arm surgery. Escapist thought that the amount was too high and wanted a cut. Credits said no and left. Escapist either fired them or they left on their own, either way, they just went out of here.

I think it ended very well since no law suits came about.

Honestly, you don't drop 20 F bombs infront of children, ya' just don't.

Notch gave them 0 guidelines and also swears in front of children all the time. Also they made an intentional effort not to swear during their time on stage. Again, just sayin'.

I know, but when they do things like demand to be let into a test area before the public, decide last second to come and no one else got anything from Mojang. Captain Sparkles had to buy a room, they didn't, sure it wasn't ENOUGH but that was the least they could do.

Its just a simple fact, I wouldn't go up to a kid and say "FUCK YOU!" in a angry voice, the kid would be scared bloody shit-less. If they tried to limit it, they did not do it well enough because there were plenty of slurs thrown out and that Mojang owed them for coming *yes, this was / is on record, you can find the interview in question, IN FULL on Youtube.* The only other thing I can say is that they were supposed to be answering questions, outside of all else, thats the only thing that springs to mind as a guideline, just host a booth. Not a show.

They also wouldn't sign autographs till the show and then when people did not get their autographs signed, bluntly "Real fans would have asked to get it signed before the show." I'm not sure if that is true or not, but thats just a iffy thing.

Overall, I take Notch's side through all this, over the simple fact that he apoligized and may have acted childishly, did he back down? Maybe, but he apologized for airing his dirty laundry in public. In a theoretical sense, Yogscast gets paid to do Minecraft videos and therefore without Notch or Minecraft, they wouldn't be as big or be paid. Notch and the company Mojang can also flag the video for stealing content or whatever, video is put under review. Since the video is 100% Minecraft, Yogscast gets the video taken down.

I am biased towards Notch just over the fact that Yogscast probably did get people to buy the game, but that doesn't mean you should be paid for doing things that the Developer made then saying that they should pay you, PERSONALLY to do it. If your in a art, make the art because you love to do so, not because you get paid to do so.

 

[Aprilgold]

[sorry, double post.]

 

[SongsOfDragons]

Sadface.

It seems to me that both parties were tired and crabby after a sleepless con, by the looks of it. People say nasty stuff then their brains are going SLEEP NOW.

Public figures are not infallible and they make mistakes like anyone else. Who knows, Notch could have been reporting what someone told him, and whether true or not it could have got him angry. I don't blame him, the con looked difficult to pull off, and he is in the middle of a lawsuit. I don't blame the Yogscast lot either; they had a lot of issues to deal with and a long expensive plane trip. A big mess all round and I'm glad that they've settled any differences.

On that note, if they have resolved any bickering amicably then we should too; it shouldn't be up to a few fans to escalate it into a similar level to 'you insulted my mother'. I feel that those people who have DDOS'd sites should be ashamed of themselves; I'm sure they have had times they said/written something when tired/angry that they later regretted.

Now I'm off to play more Minecraft. Mansions don't build themselves, yannow.