Sony Admits External Forces Brought Down PSN

[blind_dead_mcjones]

If anonymous says they didn't do it, they didn't do it we aren't stupid Sony

but sony hasn't said it was anonymous that did it...

Has Sony at any point in this stopped and said, "This is Anonymous' fault!".

Because I haven't seen that, yet.

Can we stop this "Sony is looking for a scapegoat in Anon to cover up their own incompetence" shit I've seen in related topics?

Exactly, I would like to know where people here are reading that Sony are directly blaming them. Either some people are reading something wrong, or they already have an agenda with Sony and are looking for any reason to lash out. People are jumping to way too many conclusions.

they're just projecting which falls under the latter (have an agenda with Sony and are looking for any reason to lash out.) its kind of sad really

 

[Levi93]

To be fair I dont really want to know or do I really care who or what caused this, I just want to know when it's gonna be back up, even if it's just a guess that'd be better than nothing.

 

[Popido]

Anonymous attacks with the power of numbers. You cannot bring anything down without a raid. You cannot form a raid without an announcement. No announcement, no raid, no zerg, no hivemind. Not Anonymous. Try to get that into your thick skulls.

Most likely someone took a notice of Anonymous and is now attacking solo. So the information war is/was a success I suppose.

ONLY other option is that someone is fucking up at Sony or purposedly shuting their own systems down.

 

[RowdyRodimus]

this makes me want to go play on my xbox for a bit. suck it PS3 owners.

No, suck it single system owners. Many people have more than one console and everyone has a computer, so your jab at PS3 owners does nothing but brand you as trolling fanboy who (now this is speculation) has to find a way to make yourself feel good about your decision to go with the 360. Then again, it's not just you but it seems that everyone that has one system feels the need to justify it by denigrating the others and their users.

 

[Jazoni89]

Funny how all these attacks all happened after Geohotz posted the root key for the ps3.

I can't get over the fact that their were people supporting these hackers even on this very forum.

Geohot, look what you have done now, you made every basement dwelling nerd a viable hacker, which they then DDOS the whole system, thank you so fucking much Geohot.

 

[JDKJ]

I am kinda pissed that this happened. I play mostly on my ps3 (online, anyhow), so this is really annoying. I'm more pissed that people are calling out Sony, claiming that they solely blame anonymous. Where in any report have they made such claims? I have yet to see it. I don't know why anyone is attacking them for it. I bet if XBL went down, people would be more sympathetic. But since it's Sony, everyone hates on them, it seems.

I can't even begin to wrap my mind around this statement. You're made because people are blaming Sony because Sony's PSN shut down? Isn't it... you know... like their job to make sure PSN doesn't shut down? Who should be blamed?

I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around your statement. Yes, it's American Airlines' job to do everything humanely possible to ensure that their airplanes land safely and in one piece at their destinations. But if a terrorist shoots one of those airplanes out of the sky with a surface-to-air missile, who should we blame? American Airlines?

 

[RA92]

I don't get this. If AnonOps is doing a massive attack on PSN via DDOS, wouldn't there be evidence of organizing from the myriad Anon sites? I doubt they are coordinated enough to to carry out massive attacks in total secrecy.

It's one of those idiosyncrasies of Anonymous' methods, you don't need thousands of nodes in a DDoS, you can actually do some damage to most systems with about sixty. Providing that Anonymous are being clever while they're doing this they could only have a hundred or so members, all of whom know each other.

I mean, as much as Anonymous like to do the 'we are anyone' thing they're not. They're actually a quite specific demographic mostly.

Huh. Thanks for clarifying. Though I would still say someone would have come forward claiming responsibility by now.

 

[Zeraki]

Exactly, I would like to know where people here are reading that Sony are directly blaming them. Either some people are reading something wrong, or they already have an agenda with Sony and are looking for any reason to lash out. People are jumping to way too many conclusions.

There is such a thing called "reading between the lines."

"Reading between the lines", is no grounds for a baseless accusations.

You can find hidden meaning in anything if you really want to believe there is something there. Sony hasn't come out directly and blamed them, and some people are acting like the have.

 

[Svenparty]

All these attacks do is make it easier for companies like Sony to carry out their plans...."let's let Sony know we do not approve of their stance on hacking by hacking them"

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

Remeber how they said geohotz was "escaping to south america" when he was in fact going on a vaction?

Hm?

I bet they are just flinging dirt around just like then.

 

[Treblaine]

I don't get this. If AnonOps is doing a massive attack on PSN via DDOS, wouldn't there be evidence of organizing from the myriad Anon sites?

As effective as DDOS is, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

For example it may be using a botnet for a Denial of Service attack. It may even have written a worm and injected it into the network spreading from system to system.

 

[Nargleblarg]

If anonymous says they didn't do it, they didn't do it we aren't stupid Sony

but sony hasn't said it was anonymous that did it...

They said it was external forces that brought it down....they wouldn't say that unless they want everyone to think it was anonymous but of course they didn't say it. This is 1 week after anonymous did admit to taking them down and then promising not to do it again.

 

[blind_dead_mcjones]

"Reading between the lines", is no grounds for a baseless accusations.

You can find hidden meaning in anything if you really want to believe there is something there. Sony hasn't come out directly and blamed them, and some people are acting like the have.

The party who are saying Sony are using anonymous as a scapegoat are basically saying:

"We're all thinking it, I'm just saying it."

no. they're just spouting off unsubstansiated bullshit

They said it was external forces that brought it down....they want everyone to think it was them but of course they didn't say it.

suuure they do, cool story bro.

and sony is actually the Umbrella Corporation, and they seek to continue with the secret conspiracy to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids

 

[Agent Larkin]

I have to disagree.

Iran is spiteful enough that they might just pull this off.

Why would Iran attack a Japanese company affecting servers as much in Europe and middle east as America?

Iran would attack Xbox Live if any gaming network. Or some thing that fits into their paranoia of Americana and zionism, not PSN. In fact they wouldn't attack a gaming network because I don't think the leadership has any appreciation of video games nor their popularity.

Iran would more likely attack industry or the American establishment. maybe hack a jewish/israeli website.

China also may have the moxie for this but their interest is not trolling but power. They aim to increase governmental control and security, so that means dissidents, protesters and anything to do with tibet being independent will be targeted.

Not PSN.

Ok I was trying to make a joke.

Granted that joke seems to have died on its as but anyway

Je ne regrette rien

 

[Zeraki]

"Reading between the lines", is no grounds for a baseless accusations.

You can find hidden meaning in anything if you really want to believe there is something there. Sony hasn't come out directly and blamed them, and some people are acting like the have.

The party who are saying Sony are using anonymous as a scapegoat are basically saying:

"We're all thinking it, I'm just saying it."

But Sony isn't using them as a scapegoat. They haven't mentioned anonymous once through this entire ordeal. People are jumping to conclusions and throwing around accusations without any solid evidence.

 

[kael013]

Whatever, Sony. You just keep flingin' bullshit, and we'll see how that goes for you.

It's easy to call people liars without proof.

But it cheapens you.

He is expressing his opinion. How does vocalizing an opinion cheapen you?

Besides, PSN has been offline for what, 3 days now? Either it's an internal problem or it's a fairly large group of people coordinating attacks pretty much NON-STOP. Looking at it logically, the former (internal problems) is the more likely scenario.

 

[Popido]

People just hate Sony.

Not really that unexpected if you think about it.

 

[Treblaine]

Whatever, Sony. You just keep flingin' bullshit, and we'll see how that goes for you.

It's easy to call people liars without proof.

But it cheapens you.

He is expressing his opinion. How does vocalizing an opinion cheapen you?

Besides, PSN has been offline for what, 3 days now? Either it's an internal problem or it's a fairly large group of people coordinating attacks pretty much NON-STOP. Looking at it logically, the former (internal problems) is the more likely scenario.

There is a difference between:

"I don't believe"

and

"they are lying"

Also there is not logic to say 3-days means it IS an internal problem, especially ignoring how Sony has gone on the record at great liability to say they have detected intrusion.

Look I don't like Sony any more than the average person but I will not tolerate baseless slander because it cheapens the argument.

I believe there is a good case Sony fucked up by having inadequate security, but it is dishonest to ignore all indications of third party intrusion.

 

[Ben Legend]

Oh Microsoft, not playing fair again!

 

[Antari]

Well atleast Sony hasn't lost its touch with lying.