Sony Admits External Forces Brought Down PSN
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For those who don't speak it, I call bullshit on Anonymous being to blame. Saying it could've been someone within it without being the whole group is ridiculous as being a member of Anonymous is no more defining than being a member of any other group. And since I don't see you rushing to write up an article saying "library card holder takes down PSN network", in short - I call bullshit.
There's more hackers on the internet than just members of Anonymous. And a lot of them are very interested in fucking with networks, especially for their own benefits, which are numerous in this case considering we're talking about a network that's both played on and contains an online retailer.
I'm not cheering on for this, don't get me wrong, but do feel compelled to point out you're saying Sony's more hate-able than Microsoft. I'd urge you to think about that point again for a little while longerAku_San said:
Also, Sony did say Anonymous could potentially be the one responsible, before Anonymous declined the notion. But yeah, sadly the Escapist articles sometimes tend to pull stuff out of... let's be nice and call it thin air
I bet if Anonymous were the ones who hacked the PlayStation Network, they could easily have done the same to Xbox Live.
/endflamewar
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To all blaming Anon.
I remember few weeks ago when they started that denial of service attacks
and because of it PSN went down for a while. When Anon foud out about it
they stopped the dos attacks and sent a letter basically apologizing for
bringing down the PSN so that gamers were not able to play their games.
I remember few weeks ago when they started that denial of service attacks
and because of it PSN went down for a while. When Anon foud out about it
they stopped the dos attacks and sent a letter basically apologizing for
bringing down the PSN so that gamers were not able to play their games.
What? What proof do you have that this is bullshit, exactly?Ephraim J. Witchwood said:
I believe there's an applicable expression about assumptions, how does that go...
I think the important thing to note is that a few days ago, they didn't know what the cause for the outage was. Now the cause is that they deliberately shut PSN off themselves.
Thanks for lying to everyone for half a week, Sony. Not that I needed another reason to want to spend more time on my Wii, 360, and PC, but you just gave me one. You should have been honest and said you should it down yourselves from day 1. Instead, you string your customers along with bullshit about "we don't know why it's down" and "we don't know when it's coming back." If you don't know when you can bring it back up, that's fair. But you shouldn't have lied about why it was down. Good job, I can trust you guys even less. I didn't think that was possible.
Of course, this assumes that you're telling the truth now. How can I be sure you are? Why should I believe you now when you say you deliberately shut it off? For all I know, you screwed something up and can't figure out how to fix it, and are feeding us this new lie to make it seem like you know what you're doing.
Thanks for lying to everyone for half a week, Sony. Not that I needed another reason to want to spend more time on my Wii, 360, and PC, but you just gave me one. You should have been honest and said you should it down yourselves from day 1. Instead, you string your customers along with bullshit about "we don't know why it's down" and "we don't know when it's coming back." If you don't know when you can bring it back up, that's fair. But you shouldn't have lied about why it was down. Good job, I can trust you guys even less. I didn't think that was possible.
Of course, this assumes that you're telling the truth now. How can I be sure you are? Why should I believe you now when you say you deliberately shut it off? For all I know, you screwed something up and can't figure out how to fix it, and are feeding us this new lie to make it seem like you know what you're doing.
Because picking on Sony is trendy.MysticToast said:
Same here, hackers are self centered pricks.Casual Shinji said:
God I thought about that today and shivered. I've already been hit by identity theft once this year, I don't need it again.Doxcology said:
You know, if this is one person this probably the best frame I've seen in the last decade.Popido said:
Think about it, if they framed Anon for this and got away with this the repercussions against Anon (by that I mean 4chan.org) will be insane.
The US government has been known to take entire websites offline.
thats fair enough then i cant argue with that. i have just got sick of xbox owners telling me i should buy one because they are better than the ps3 but cant back it up with a proper argument
"external intrusion" my spider sense says nintendo. (not intended to be a factual statement)
also "Franziskus ayins" lol
also "Franziskus ayins" lol
Whoever says that this doesn't hurt SONY isn't thinking about this logically. Whoever it is whether it be Anon or not, is affecting revenue as last time I checked you can purchase things on the PSN network. Not to mention the time and money spent on fixing the issue and rewriting programs that were in place. Yep, this is ONLY hurting the consumer... NOT.
Now thats over, whoever is doing this are dicks. Maybe its part of the collective that funded Geohotz case and were pissed with the settlement or maybe some splinter cell within Anon. W/e the case they better cut it out.
Now thats over, whoever is doing this are dicks. Maybe its part of the collective that funded Geohotz case and were pissed with the settlement or maybe some splinter cell within Anon. W/e the case they better cut it out.
Actually, we don't know that there is any proof at all. It's very easy to say "There's proof, but we can't show it to you" whether there's proof or not. If someone claims there is proof one way or another, it is then their responsibility to back that up by showing said proof. Otherwise, it's meaningless, the exact same as making a statement with nothing to back it at all. As of right now, there is NO PROOF. Period.Treblaine said:
Now, I'm inclined to take anything Sony says with a silo of salt. Corporations will lie (they call it spin) to make anything that might make them look a little bad, look better. A simple look at communications from corporations to the public in the past will show that. Sony isn't exactly Simon pure when it comes to their actions and announcements, so I'm not really inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. The only reason I'm not jumping on the "they're lying!" bandwagon is that I'm not sure how admitting their security sucks to the point an intrusion would take them down helps them. I'd think an internal error would be more accepted in many ways, because right now Sony looks like a pack of idiots who can't even keep their firewalls up.
Also, as long as they don't make specific accusations, they can get away with claiming an external attack as much as they want. Even if it comes out that it was internal, all they have to do is say "oops, our mistake. We misinterpreted the evidence". Boom, free and clear, no offense, it was just a mistake in their information.
My two cents: Who cares?
Seriously, it doesnt matter if it was external or internal forces. If Anon did it because of whatever mis-guided half truth they convinced themselves it was for, or if someone spilled coffee on a control panel and doesnt want to man up.
Just fix your service. It could have very well have been anon, a disgruntled employee, a disgruntled fan, or just a group of douchebags (or just one dedicated douchebag). Releasing statements saying it was someone elses fault just starts an ENTIRELY new batch of shit to add to the storm, and it doesnt get your servers online any faster.
If it was an external force, get the authorities involved. But blaming it on another source, especially when its heavily hinted that its Anon, is just putting you in more boiling water. Which will probably lead to more attacks in the future.
And blaming it on Anon is really futile, considering there isn't an official Anon group: the same ones that were mad at the GeoHotz case might not even be the same ones that are disrupting their service.
Stop wasting your breath, stop arguing over who did it or didnt do it (because honestly, we will never know), and just move on. Neither sides were exactly stelwart heroes, they both goofed. Just fix it, and move on.
As a side note: Escapist Magazine, please stop reporting on Anon. Seriously. It gets annoying, dull, and you're giving a bunch of people who are looking for attention the attention they desire.
Seriously, it doesnt matter if it was external or internal forces. If Anon did it because of whatever mis-guided half truth they convinced themselves it was for, or if someone spilled coffee on a control panel and doesnt want to man up.
Just fix your service. It could have very well have been anon, a disgruntled employee, a disgruntled fan, or just a group of douchebags (or just one dedicated douchebag). Releasing statements saying it was someone elses fault just starts an ENTIRELY new batch of shit to add to the storm, and it doesnt get your servers online any faster.
If it was an external force, get the authorities involved. But blaming it on another source, especially when its heavily hinted that its Anon, is just putting you in more boiling water. Which will probably lead to more attacks in the future.
And blaming it on Anon is really futile, considering there isn't an official Anon group: the same ones that were mad at the GeoHotz case might not even be the same ones that are disrupting their service.
Stop wasting your breath, stop arguing over who did it or didnt do it (because honestly, we will never know), and just move on. Neither sides were exactly stelwart heroes, they both goofed. Just fix it, and move on.
As a side note: Escapist Magazine, please stop reporting on Anon. Seriously. It gets annoying, dull, and you're giving a bunch of people who are looking for attention the attention they desire.
If you mean that, then SAY THAT.Antari said:
Stop being illiterate and realise what you actually mean by saying "they are liars" that is an accusation of deliberate deception. You shouldn't be so flippant about such accusations, its slanderous.
The distinction is important as you can reasonably not believe them without them actually lying:
-may be telling the truth though you reasonably doubt till all evidence is available
-they may be mistaken/tricked
-you could detect a misunderstanding.
SERIOUSLY! Stop mentioning Anon! Just because PSN went down DOES NOT mean it was Anon! Anon aren't the only hackers in the world, it could be anyone. This is really starting to piss me of now, I hate it when people put words into other's mouth.
Wow. I wasn't aware "we" were irrationally hating Sony now. Does this mean we can stop hating Activision?
Well are you blaming it on them? Because I don't see anybody doing that. Sony hasn't.tony2077 said:
All they've done is give updates on how the PSN is doing. They're trying to fix it and haven't thrown around any accusations at any person or group. I fail to see how anyone can see Sony is the bad guy unless they were on the delusional path to glory back with the criminal Geohotz a while ago.
