Sony Admits External Forces Brought Down PSN

[RowdyRodimus]

this makes me want to go play on my xbox for a bit. suck it PS3 owners.

No, suck it single system owners. Many people have more than one console and everyone has a computer, so your jab at PS3 owners does nothing but brand you as trolling fanboy who (now this is speculation) has to find a way to make yourself feel good about your decision to go with the 360. Then again, it's not just you but it seems that everyone that has one system feels the need to justify it by denigrating the others and their users.

why would i ever, EVER buy both consoles and a PC, what a waste of money.

also i dont consider myself a fanboy, xbox sucks worse, and i know that, its just nice to see the table turning on the PS3 owners, seeing how most of them take stabs at the xbox's unreliability.

Sorry for that. I was ragging or something (probably due to my allergies and sinus', damn springtime and it's flowers) and I didn't mean that to sound as douchey as it did. It's just that (here especially) there are so many people wanting to start the "X is better than Y" and "You're an idiot because you aren't part of the PC Master Race" crap (with the PC one being one big reason I dislike Yahtzee) that I get tired of seeing it. All platforms have good and bad points, as long as you enjoy the games you play on them no matter if it's Petz, Peggle, COD, Minecraft or Portal that's all that matters.

Again, I apologize for the tone I used and hope you'll forgive me for my rashness.

Captcha: Mirror Xtrame. Is that some Mirror's Edge mixed with Extreme Sports made by a Chinese bootleg company?

 

[Asehujiko]

This is why I love hackers.

...No wait, this is actually why I fucking hate them.

Because they're a convenient excuse for when Sony wants to ram another big obstructive security upgrade down your throat?

 

[Smooth Operator]

5$ says Valve tried to take over with the new Steam integration, Sony just shut it all off before they succeed

 

[Weaver]

Someone found a vulnerability on PSN and exploited it, so Sony shut down the whole service.
Thanks, Sony.

 

[Blazingdragoon04]

Look Anon, Sony, whoever. I only have a finite number of days left to play Demon's Souls online, we know the month when the servers are projected to be shut down, so please, Sony, make the fix, Anon, stop messing with their things, and we can all live happily together knowing Hotz was an idiot.

 

[harvz]

people are saying that this is only hurting the user and not sony...why do you think this?

if anything, this is so damaging to sony because they cant sell their games, movies and dlc.

Lol. I find it hilarious on that same weekend, Microsoft had a free Gold Weekend going on with several events.

Either way..Lol?

I find it hilarious that Gold being free is considered to be good of them. So how d'you like them apples?

I find it hilarious that we have a service, even if we pay for it, "so how d'you like them apples?"

 

[Saltyk]

This is why I love hackers.

...No wait, this is actually why I fucking hate them.

And I lolled.
OT: Yeah I don't know what to say, I guess I'm impressed.
Wouldn't it take excruciating power to shut down PSN?

Not exactly. If you know where and how to hit, you can pull off a job of this magnitude with a decent amount of power. Though, I doubt this was an outside intrusion.

OT: Anon didn't do it. Blame Internet Gremlins. :L

Or, blame Skynet and Judgement Day. :/

Or the Cake.

Actually, there's a lot of truth in that statement. Not too long ago all the "fat" PS3s were unable to connect to PSN (can't remember if they could still connect to the internet) due to a minor programming error that made the system misread the date. So, with the right knowledge one could easily knock the whole system off. The question right now is, are we looking at an external attack that knocked the network offline? Or did Sony take the system offline to protect itself? Or is this smoke an mirrors?

Personally, I think we're looking at a splinter group from Anon, or possibly hackers that supported Geohot attacking PSN. Though, they could technically be both. I'm just not sure what they are doing. I think either possibility is plausible. In fact, Sony could have detected an attempt to access PSN data to acquire the credit/debit card information of their clients and shut down the network to prevent it. Wouldn't that be a good thing? A company trying to protect the people who put their trust in them?
[sub]Yeah, it may not be likely from any company. Nor do I have any delusion that Sony is a "holy" company, but it IS possible[/sub]

This is why I love hackers.

...No wait, this is actually why I fucking hate them.

Who exactly are they "helping" by doing this? And people stand up for them because they "fight the Man."
*Facepalm*

This has been my biggest problem for a long time. People claiming to be from Anonymous say they are out to help the consumer. They said they wouldn't attack PSN after realizing that it hurt us more than Sony. But shouldn't that have been obvious from the get go? Who brainstormed that plan? I want to like Anon. I just wish they would stop acting like... Anon.

Yes, I know I'm assuming it was Anonymous (and I know what I get when I assume), but really no matter who attacked Sony, they are pretty much operating like Anon. And do you know another plausible group that it could be? (other than Microsoft)

In the end, this will only accomplish one thing. It will hurt the consumer...

Because they're a convenient excuse for when Sony wants to ram another big obstructive security upgrade down your throat?

Thanks. I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[T-Bone24]

I don't get this. If AnonOps is doing a massive attack on PSN via DDOS, wouldn't there be evidence of organizing from the myriad Anon sites? I doubt they are coordinated enough to to carry out massive attacks in total secrecy.

I'm gonna stick with my theory...

Guys! Don't you get it? Its not Anon!

IT'S VALVE!

I mean, how many PS3 users got Portal 2, couldn't log into PSN, and then went on to activate their PC copy, saw the deals on Steam, and went on an impulse shopping spree?

Somewhere, Gabe is going, "ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US!"

You can't activate the PC copy unless your PS3 copy has been played whilst connected to the internet. Since the PSN is down, no PC copy and no online play. Seriously, this couldn't have happened next week?

 

[kimba_lion]

i just want psn up again!! after buying portal 2 i need to make a steam account on psn to play it on pc but because psn is down i cant do a damn thing.

WHEN WILL IT END??

 

[madster11]

So Sony run a hopeless heap of shit that can be shut down by 5x fat teenage script kiddies for days at a time.

Sony you stupid fucks, it would have been a better idea to claim someone spilt some coffee on a server instead of admitting the service has absolutely 0 security (apart from OMG BREACH - DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING), without the ability to remove or edit your PSN account which houses many mandatory person details.

Good work Sony. Good work.

 

[EchetusXe]

A source with close connections to Sony Computer Entertainment Europe reports that the attack to the PlayStation Network may be a bit deeper than originally reported by Sony. According to the source, who wishes to remain anonymous, the PSN sustained a LOIC attack (which created a denial-of-service attack) that damaged the server. There was also a concentrated attack on the PlayStation servers holding account information. In addition, ?Admin Dev accounts were breached.?

As a result, ?Sony then shut down the PSN and [is] currently in the process of restoring backups to new servers with new admin dev accounts.? The SCEE source said Japanese servers may be restored tomorrow while the U.S. and E.U. servers will likely be operational the following day.

Unconfirmed but I believe it.

Probably some small group or individual involved in the original Anonymous attack decided that they liked this unique access to Sony's secrets and didn't really care about sending a message so went rogue.

With protesters in real life there is always a small number who don't really care about the cause. With illegal protesting then this number only increases. It is the same in this case. The attackers are anonymous but they are not Anonymous.

Stop flaming Anonymous. Stop flaming Sony. Stop flaming each other. PSN should not be down for that much longer so let us all go and use this downtime constructively, I for one am going to read 'For Whom the Bell Tolls'.

edit: Taking down the PSN could have been a diversion whilst they rifled through the Dev's files and such (least they aren't our card details, ammiright?). Then when they got on top of the problem and realized what was going on it is like finding the burglar dancing on your bed in your wife's panties. You say 'OH ITS FUCKING ON NOW SON! THE CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME! I don't care if it takes all Easter, no intruder will EVER gain access to this place again.' and then go down to the gun shop and get some serious security.

Once the Network goes back up I imagine it will be back up permanently.

 

[rmb1983]

Wow. I wasn't aware "we" were irrationally hating Sony now. Does this mean we can stop hating Activision?

No, Brian.

It does not mean that at all.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

SNIP.

hey no problem, i was being a bit of a dick.

 

[Olikunmissile]

this makes me want to go play on my xbox for a bit. suck it PS3 owners.

No, suck it single system owners. Many people have more than one console and everyone has a computer, so your jab at PS3 owners does nothing but brand you as trolling fanboy who (now this is speculation) has to find a way to make yourself feel good about your decision to go with the 360. Then again, it's not just you but it seems that everyone that has one system feels the need to justify it by denigrating the others and their users.

I lol'd. Hell of a burn there, can I steal some of your thunder?

OT: Someone show me exactly where Sony has blamed Anon? Until then settle your agenda with Sony elsewhere, alone.

 

[Leg End]

Actually, there's a lot of truth in that statement. Not too long ago all the "fat" PS3s were unable to connect to PSN (can't remember if they could still connect to the internet) due to a minor programming error that made the system misread the date.

Ah yes, the first ApocalyPS3. That one was utterly hilarious, Sony not having it count leap years. XD

Personally, I think we're looking at a splinter group from Anon

That is impossible. Anon does not have splinter groups, Anon is a splinter group. Countless people from numerous backgrounds with every conceivable ideologies, with some inconceivable.

I think Sony is just trying to turn attention away from their own massive screw up. XD

But, ehh, that's just me.

 

[JDKJ]

You know I'm sure there's probably a clause in the EULA and TOS that says Sony can shut down the PSN whenever it wants so I guess everyone should just STFU about not being able to online because the EULA says it's ok.

Close but not quite. What the PSN's TOS does say is that you can't hold them liable for "any interruption or the cessation of transmission to or from the [network]":

13.LIMITATION OF LIABILITY

We have to throw in some more legal language we need to protect us so that we can provide you the benefits of the Sites. In no event will SCEA, its officers, directors, employees, shareholders, representatives or agents be liable to you for any direct, indirect, incidental, special, punitive or consequential damages whatsoever resulting from any (a) mistakes or inaccuracies of content on the Sites, (b) personal injury or property damage of any nature whatsoever resulting from your access to and use of the Sites, (c) any unauthorized access to or use of our secure servers or any and all non-secured personal information (d) any interruption or the cessation of transmission to or from the Sites, (e) any bugs, viruses, trojan horses or the like that may be transmitted to or through the Sites; or (f) any errors or omissions in any content or for any loss or damage of any kind incurred as a result of your use of any content posted, emailed, transmitted or made available via the Sites, whether based on warranty, contract, tort or any other legal theory and whether or not the company is advised of the possibility of such damages. This limitation of liability applies to the fullest extent permitted by law in the applicable jurisdiction.

http://us.playstation.com/support/termsofuse/

 

[JDKJ]

Anonymous tampered with PSN again after Sony dropped their charges on Geohot? Doubt that. It's more likely that they had an internal fuck up and decided to blame an external entity, conveniently alluding to a recent attempt by a certain hacker group.

Why not? Their beef with Sony doesn't appear to hinge on whether or not the lawsuit against Hotz is active. They scheduled their planned "live protest" against Sony for April 16 (the protest that flopped because no one showed up to protest). Hotz had already settled by then (his settlement was announced on April 11). The fact that Hotz has settled with Sony doesn't appear to have anything to do with Anonymouse's willingness to continue targeting Sony.

 

[smeghead25]

I just looooove how all the Xbox fanboys are claiming that this is a great reason to own an Xbox, even though this pretty much happened to the Xbox for 11 days back in 2007 AND was just because of a shitty software update.

Chances are it WAS some dicks trying to hack PSN, and now Sony's shut it down completely to stop them stealing content and to give them a chance to fix holes and make the security better. Is this a bad thing? Is it REALLY such a big deal that they've shut something down to make it better? Does it REALLY make the PS3 and all it's games worse than everything the Xbox has? I mean hell I enjoy both of my awesome consoles, a network outage certainly wouldn't have changed my decision to buy either of them...

 

[JDKJ]

snip

'Kay, I seem to be more ignorant on the matter than I thought.

It's cool. Ignorance has a way of sneaking up behind us and biting us in the ass.

 

[MadCapMunchkin]

Hack the Little Big Planet!

I see what you did there.

OT: PSN is down? Oh, dear...*remembers that he owns a 360* Oh, nevermind. Still, sorry for you guys, maybe Sony will finally get their act together and stop blaming others for their incompetence.