Sony Admits Private PSN Info Has Been Stolen - All Of It
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I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but your friend is a whackjob. What happens if Linux finally becomes obsolete and unsupported? Why should Sony keep providing an outdated OS when they can add a much better one to new systems?FamoFunk said:
Nothing states that they HAVE GOT TO PROVIDE LINUX OMG WTF.. It's THEIR service. It may be YOUR console, but THEY provide your access to it. Microsoft and Nintendo can do the very same to their own consoles! There's going to be content that just isn't needed on the system anymore. Especially if it's basically just modders/hackers using it.. I know when I buy a console, I'm not looking for an operating system. I want a console that plays games and can possibly watch Bluray/DVD movies. That's what they have been for many, many years..
My take on this is that this is a symptom of having and "unhackable" system, so now that the system did get hacked, it seemed sony was too busy trying to shut down the people simply pirating games, and using hacks to play online, rather than sitting down and asking what does custom firmware in the wild mean to our network security?
Simply custom firmware seems to be the root cause of all this tho the fact that these questions were not raised or that it is even possible for a hacked ps3/s to not only access to acquire all the personal data of everyone registered on psn is rather mind boggling to say the lest.
CC data SHOULD be stored elsewhere, if you login via psn and look at your card details i belive it only shows the last few digits of your CC and not the entire number, but if for some reason they did get all that info plus the login name addresses of everyone this is a hack of mind boggling proportions.
THe hackers are clearly to blame, geo etc shoulders some of it for cracking the ps3, maybe anon shoulders some of it who knows if their initial hacks did not reveal something to someone in that group that decided to take the attacks to the next level and try and profit from it. It is rather fishy that this attack took place the week after anon shut the network down itself, then said they would not do it any longer. That said this does not seem anons usual style to go this far, but anon is not a single group or that well centralized, with all the loose ties and people all over the world who know if one or a handful of rogues picked up the ball and ran with it after anon had washed its hands of sony.
But this does not excuse sony's culpability in this the fact that these questions were not asked before things got to this stage, the fact that all this info seemingly was easy to to and all of it to boot, and the fact it took sony this long to apparently realize that this stuff was taken, is just beyond silly.
Note to sony NEVER EVER ASSUME that your hack proof console is actually hack proof and half ass your network security, never ever sit on your hands and worry about people pirating some games when something of this magnitude is out on the horizon, ask the right questions at the right time and take steps to head them off before you get a mess like this.
Because i guarantee that if millions of users had their CC, name, address, email so on and so on stolen via psn the amount of fallout will PALE in contrast from the lost sales of people pirating uncharted and little big planet.
Simply custom firmware seems to be the root cause of all this tho the fact that these questions were not raised or that it is even possible for a hacked ps3/s to not only access to acquire all the personal data of everyone registered on psn is rather mind boggling to say the lest.
CC data SHOULD be stored elsewhere, if you login via psn and look at your card details i belive it only shows the last few digits of your CC and not the entire number, but if for some reason they did get all that info plus the login name addresses of everyone this is a hack of mind boggling proportions.
THe hackers are clearly to blame, geo etc shoulders some of it for cracking the ps3, maybe anon shoulders some of it who knows if their initial hacks did not reveal something to someone in that group that decided to take the attacks to the next level and try and profit from it. It is rather fishy that this attack took place the week after anon shut the network down itself, then said they would not do it any longer. That said this does not seem anons usual style to go this far, but anon is not a single group or that well centralized, with all the loose ties and people all over the world who know if one or a handful of rogues picked up the ball and ran with it after anon had washed its hands of sony.
But this does not excuse sony's culpability in this the fact that these questions were not asked before things got to this stage, the fact that all this info seemingly was easy to to and all of it to boot, and the fact it took sony this long to apparently realize that this stuff was taken, is just beyond silly.
Note to sony NEVER EVER ASSUME that your hack proof console is actually hack proof and half ass your network security, never ever sit on your hands and worry about people pirating some games when something of this magnitude is out on the horizon, ask the right questions at the right time and take steps to head them off before you get a mess like this.
Because i guarantee that if millions of users had their CC, name, address, email so on and so on stolen via psn the amount of fallout will PALE in contrast from the lost sales of people pirating uncharted and little big planet.
Holy shit on a shingle!
*random swearing and screaming*
Fuck me man! When I read that title I felt my soul just die a horrible death, and then I kept reading the more I felt like going into a corner and crying angrily/bitterly. I don't wish for things like these, BUT I wish for nothing good to happen to whoever did this, this is just-AARRGGHHH!!!
I can't type intelligibly anymore, this royally pisses me the fuck off.
*random swearing and screaming*
Fuck me man! When I read that title I felt my soul just die a horrible death, and then I kept reading the more I felt like going into a corner and crying angrily/bitterly. I don't wish for things like these, BUT I wish for nothing good to happen to whoever did this, this is just-AARRGGHHH!!!
I can't type intelligibly anymore, this royally pisses me the fuck off.
For real. I want something more than an apology on their website.Spot1990 said:
You... Get a gold star. That is just about the smartest thing I have heard in this thread.ShadowKatt said:
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Clean it up. Due to Sony?s terrible security system and a series of bad decisions they were attacked by a(some) criminal(s), who happen to be hackers, who stole a lot of PSN user information.
Well good luck sony and PSN users. I hope this gets cleared up. But please learn how to direct your anger.
Well this sucks...whoever got in went in looking for either free info, or really had a grudge against Sony.
This, in my mind, puts Anon in a better situation to be believed when they say "we didn't do it." Yes, it could be a rouge Anon group, but really, anyone not working w/ them is also part of them. They are everyone on the internet. But I would assume that this wasn't them, because why would Anonymous, who thrive on being Anon, go after information to people's identities, and the identitys of the people they look to fight for. They fight for the right to Anonymity and free speech. Cracking into PSN and taking it down serves no real point.
Whoever took down PSN wasn't looking for free speech writing if they're looking at people's identities and other things. Hopefully it goes up...hell of a time for PSN to get hit
Edit:It's also possible they were speculating this and didn't want to release this information until they were sure, because it seems that they've been running around crazily the last week, so whoever took the PSN down really did a hell of a number on it
This, in my mind, puts Anon in a better situation to be believed when they say "we didn't do it." Yes, it could be a rouge Anon group, but really, anyone not working w/ them is also part of them. They are everyone on the internet. But I would assume that this wasn't them, because why would Anonymous, who thrive on being Anon, go after information to people's identities, and the identitys of the people they look to fight for. They fight for the right to Anonymity and free speech. Cracking into PSN and taking it down serves no real point.
Whoever took down PSN wasn't looking for free speech writing if they're looking at people's identities and other things. Hopefully it goes up...hell of a time for PSN to get hit
Edit:It's also possible they were speculating this and didn't want to release this information until they were sure, because it seems that they've been running around crazily the last week, so whoever took the PSN down really did a hell of a number on it
I knew this one girl who basically stole computers from a computer club by threatening them with photos she obtained by forcing a member of the club on her friend. She also hung out with another girl who hacked a computer game to win a challenge.wooty said:
I hope Phony will pick up my counselling and multi-therapies bill now, seeing as
i can't be a BIG man anymore on Blops.
How will life go on, when I can't be a trophy whore, answers on a post... erm, just a post
i can't be a BIG man anymore on Blops.
How will life go on, when I can't be a trophy whore, answers on a post... erm, just a post
And there would not have been a problem if Sony had patched like it was supposed to do. Are you one of those people that aren't gonna exploit something if you can? Then good for you, not everyone is like you. Sure things happen that Sony or any other company can't necessarily predict, but when you lose ALL of your information, even you have to admit thats a huge hole in the security on Sony's end.Ilikemilkshake said:
Ok i can understand that sony did'nt tell anyone what the real problem was in the first place. Maybe they thought they could catch the hackers red handed and not let them wiggle away like geohot did, if thats why they did'nt say anything at first then ok i can understand that. But they knew that user's personal infomation was possibaly stolen? And they still decided not to say anything? I understand the "don't let the public know because is will cause a riot" scenario, but this is people's personal damned information. With all the identity theft going around these days you don't hold information like that, if one person suffers from this sony could be sued by everyone who had thier information on psn. Or maybe they won't, I am one of the millions of people that did'nt read then re-read to make sure i was understanding everything the term of service, maybe somewhere in it read "sony is not responsible for any information that could be stolen due to a hack." i don't know and i probably never will but sony.... Really? Come on.....
Frankly, what you just said here is illogical. The PSN security was completely bypassed, and there is absolutely no way that it was simply from a console spoofing itself as a legit client; that doesn't even make sense.puffenstuff said:
Um, yeah.... that's great and all, but Anonymous is still just a group of hipsters glomming onto an internet subculture. Chances are, anyone being serious isn't going to care to be a part of it or care to attach themselves to it as part of their criminal activities.Theseus32 said:
What bothers me isn't so much that whoever got the info can see that I bought Final Fantasy Tactics for a sixth time, but rather that they can see the numbers are on the card I used to do so.
I suppose I can hold out hope that there are so many users on the PSN buying things that the chances of my information being hit become statistically impossible.
I suppose I can hold out hope that there are so many users on the PSN buying things that the chances of my information being hit become statistically impossible.
Yeees, because Anonymous is truly a great evil hacker empire of doom. They live in a red skull fortress and drink virgin blood daily to replenish the sufficient amount of bats, that compose their bodies.Sebster 105 said:
Either that, or they didn't do it, because they're a bunch of bored basement dwellers and moralfags, and simply wouldn't have the capacity to do something this grand and epic. I mean, seriously, people still don't know what Anons are? Really? We're only god knows how long into this thing.