Venereus said:
Jedihunter4 said:
Venereus said:
Jedihunter4 said:
rembrandtqeinstein said:
Oh and the lesson here kiddies is that if you give any data to anyone for any reason there is a chance it will be compromised.
Not really a lesson, how the hell do you suggest we buy anything then?
That's exactly the point! It's about time people realize they're consuming ways are fucked up.
In what way? would you prefer that if you want to order something we sent off cash via the post office, or have to go to the bank and manually process the money transfer. Sony obviously just got lazy, if they changed their software regally , or had some non networked way of holding the information this would not of happened.
Back in the old days transactions didn't require personal information to be exchanged. They still don't, but people got used to capitalism and it's twisted ways. I'd take having to personally deliver money over orwellian surveillance and irrational debts.
Well No.1 if you live in the UK you can still pay for everything over the net using postal orders any decent company will accept them, would think States or rest of Europe an so on developed countries would have similar.
No.2 nobody has to go into debt if they do not want to.
Most people who claim to have got "screwed" by capatlism either got greedy, or are too stupid to stupid to understand the system.
For example, the stock market, quite easy to make reasonable profits in over time if you invest responsibly, if your willing to put your time into it. Yet people manage to loose millions on it cause they go for the mega bucks cause they are greedy. An yet half of these people will go around blaming the system.
People who manage to get into ridiculous debt. Responsible debt is wanting to buy a car, seeing you have £500 excess income a month and taking out a loan at a reasonable apr paying back £200 a month over so many years, that's responsible. Irresponsible is what so many people seemed to think was a good idea, buying a house with a mortgage more than their gross income per month an paying the excess with credit cards, moral, live within your means. That is unsustainable debt.
Seriously how much do you know about this an how much experience do you have of the real Monterey and financial world? In the modern world essentially with out ways of getting reasonable ways of large sums of finance, it would essentially be, if your parents are poor, you will live almost all of your life in poverty, unless you are the one in a million which is essentially the way the world was until 200 odd years ago when modern banking started to really develop.
what else do you suggest? Communism does not work practically, even if it was implemented perfectly its people's nature to strive for more to want to improve their quality of life for their family, if you expect people to think far enough ahead that by suffering now in 4 generations everyone will be better off, ur mistaken. It also cripples entrepreneurship and innovation as their is no need to strive for more, eventually stagnates social progress and ends in an often violent revolution, or a slow move towards capitalism with state benefits (china)
Where as capitalism basicly ensures no true wide scale lower class. so what would you suggest I mean its only 1000's of years of economic progress to our present system.
Present day capitalism is not perfect (there is too much room for abuse) but its the best model there is atm. An personally as long as I'm not getting people bothering me at home or stealing my money I don't give a shit what info people have on me. people know what products I buy, great! they can offer me deals on them, people know what sort of car I drive an how far? great they can offer me an appropriate cheaper alternative!
Just because people at shit at playing the game does not make the game a bad one, just shit players (or as I call them the greedy, plebs, morons and the plain ignorant)
"orwellian surveillance" seriously . . . .
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