Sony Boss Says Industry Has A Confidentiality Problem

[obisean]

[quote="Onmi"
The thing is the PS3 is allready being sold at a loss. Almost all consoles ARE. To drop the price would be to sell it at MORE of a loss, if Sony wasn't selling the console at a loss I would AGREE with you, this thing is they Are selling it at a loss allready, they can't afford to sell it at more of a loss without some huge losses.

I know I've seen it sooner, but I'm too lazy to try harder. In Jan 2008, Engadget reported that the PS3 was only costing Sony $400 per console, it would be safe to assume that has dropped in the last year and a half. Source:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/12/sony-cuts-playstation-3-production-cost-in-half/

 

[Avatar Roku]

even confidentiality couldn't save sony from sucking

They still had the best conference.

Is it just me? Or does Sony suffer from leakages far more than Nintendo or Microsoft?

That might be because they have far more to talk about than Microsoft or Nintendo. Sony showed off a guaranteed flawless game and a new hardware revision. Neither Microsoft nor Nintendo had a guaranteed flawless game nor a new hardware revisions

I shouldn't be surprised you're saying this, but here. Two things.

1)There is no such thing as a flawless game. Last Guardian looks interesting, but no game is flawless.

2)Saying only they have hardware revisions is ignoring Natal and WiiMotionPlus (although motionPlus was announced before, so I guess that's different).

If Sony didn't want their business to get out, they should have been more secretive about it.

Its kinda hard for them to be secretive when they have to work with David Jaffe.

Ooh, true. Man has quite a personality.

 

[not a zaar]

Well yeah, when you work in entertainment, especially in a sector that provides inherently immature products such as videogames, then you can't really expect people to behave like serious adults.

 

[obisean]

even confidentiality couldn't save sony from sucking

They still had the best conference.

Is it just me? Or does Sony suffer from leakages far more than Nintendo or Microsoft?

That might be because they have far more to talk about than Microsoft or Nintendo. Sony showed off a guaranteed flawless game and a new hardware revision. Neither Microsoft nor Nintendo had a guaranteed flawless game nor a new hardware revisions

I shouldn't be surprised you're saying this, but here. Two things.

1)There is no such thing as a flawless game. Last Guardian looks interesting, but no game is flawless.

2)Saying only they have hardware revisions is ignoring Natal and WiiMotionPlus (although motionPlus was announced before, so I guess that's different).

If Sony didn't want their business to get out, they should have been more secretive about it.

Its kinda hard for them to be secretive when they have to work with David Jaffe.

Ooh, true. Man has quite a personality.

They would have been announced at the same time had they not been leaked

 

[Russian_Assassin]

Wow, the guy with the most posts on this forum got suspended Where does the world come to...

Anyways, so what if they leaked your product Sony? It's not that you could easily prevent that. You can't go against the internet so easy after all xD

 

[51gunner]

The thing is, NDA agreements are one half of the cure here. But an NDA gets to be useless when you can't pinpoint the leak. What needs to be done is a show of force from one of the bigger companies, where if their product is leaked, the entire project is scrapped and the team fired. Yes, you may get a Duke Nukem Forever problem developing, but this is happening because developers don't see consequences. Two or three of these mass-firings and cancellations, and the problem WILL disappear.

If you CAN ID the specific person who leaked the project, then just publicly/financially crucify him. If you made it possible through the original hiring contract, make them financially responsible for the difference between projected sales and actual sales (if info leaked), or responsible for the full purchase price of every confirmed pirated copy (if software leaked).

The problem to running your company like this is that few programmers would choose to work for you instead of your competitors. Job security's a big concern to most: running this way offers none.

Crucifying an individual I agree with though. It's fine to single out the guilty party/parties, but wild mass firings will leave you without a company and without replacements.

 

[51gunner]

The thing is, NDA agreements are one half of the cure here. But an NDA gets to be useless when you can't pinpoint the leak. What needs to be done is a show of force from one of the bigger companies, where if their product is leaked, the entire project is scrapped and the team fired. Yes, you may get a Duke Nukem Forever problem developing, but this is happening because developers don't see consequences. Two or three of these mass-firings and cancellations, and the problem WILL disappear.

If you CAN ID the specific person who leaked the project, then just publicly/financially crucify him. If you made it possible through the original hiring contract, make them financially responsible for the difference between projected sales and actual sales (if info leaked), or responsible for the full purchase price of every confirmed pirated copy (if software leaked).

The problem to running your company like this is that few programmers would choose to work for you instead of your competitors. Job security's a big concern to most: running this way offers none.

Crucifying an individual I agree with though. It's fine to single out the guilty party/parties, but wild mass firings will leave you without a company and without replacements.

 

[Megacherv]

The guy has a good point. That's all I have to say

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

And no, the appeal lies within the story, of an all consuming lust for revenge, making it a very appealing homage to a certain other famous angry black man, who I wouldn't expect you to know. The carnage does help a lot.

There are a lot of angry black men out there. Samuel Jackson for one.
Oh, and that makes the game all better than? The fact that it's story is it's selling point and that brings NOTHING new to the table? Stellar.

Really, I don't remember many revenge stories involving the figure being several gods, and the main character killing them messily. Must have missed that.

Well, let's see, The Odyssey involved Odysseus and Poseidon going at it, not directly of course, The Twelve Trials of Heracles (Hercules) involved him going at it with Hera, and that one involved him murdering his wife and son, Clash of the Titans, well, we all know how that went.
Need I go on?

Killing them messily. The gods fucking with mortals is the biggest cliche in greek mythology, its the mortals getting their revenge that's completely unheard of. Even when the Mortals beat the gods, they tend to just use that oppurtunity to screw with them - see Arachnae, Narcissus, Echo, Io, King Minos, everyone who got fucked over by the Trojan wars, everyone who was butchered by the Spinx, and Oedipus Rex

You still haven't been able to refute the point that God of War is nothing special. Oh my god, he gets to kill one o' dem! Woo hoo, if a mortal can kill them they aren't that special.
Oh, and if you're looking to killing the God's as being something special, shall I point you to D&D?

No one is claiming that it's special, at least not story wise, it's just really fucking fun.

The way it presents itself is quite interesting in itself with such a violent anti hero which you don't get much of these days. If you don't like the game, then don't play it, but don't insult people who do, because they play the game for fun, so you're just trying to convince people that they don't enjoy something which they do enjoy.... how does that make any sense? Besides, what is actually wrong with GoW, you cannot say that gore is a selling point because unless you are oddly obsessed with blood to the extent that you'd pay £45 to see it then I think you would go to other means to do so.

 

[Pendragon9]

It looks like this thread degenerated into more rabid fanboys crying and cutting themselves over how Sony isn't giving in to their ridiculous demands.

"WAHH! WE WANT PS2 COMPAT! BUT WE WANT YOUR CONSOLE TO BE CHEAPER!"

And then when Sony doesn't meet these crazy demands, they baw and complain and say "lol Sony sux!"

Admit it, that's what this thread turned into.

Yet nobody complains about Microsoft's new ODST pricing, and people are sick of hearing complaints about Valve's L4D2 pricing into a new game. And also, how could we forget the Nintendo scandal of the Brawl delays, that every fanboy defended to the death?

Oh wait. I forgot. Hating Sony is the new cool thing you kids are into.

Anyway, confidentiality is a problem here. If you people want so much from Sony, then give them time to do what they can, instead of constantly pressuring them and leaking information they don't want leaked. Please give them respect instead of hating them. They gave us the PS1 and Ps2, and 50 million people agree that the PSP wasn't too bad either. So GIVE THEM A BREAK.

Thank you.

 

[xXGeckoXx]

Actually the statement about spending all my time on video games is once again you assuming that it's some sort of off handed insult.
I don't spend all my time on video games, I don't think anyone does. However, being that I'm not in high school I don't have the same time to devote to video games as I once did.
So, if you're here to defend absolutely nothing and pretend like I'm insult you, well, then I think we're done. And no, I wasn't attacking what indigo likes, I was refuting his "Sony's presentation was perfect" statement, as it's complete utter shit. Go ahead and assume what you want, but it's just that, you making a mountain out of a mole hill. I tried being nice about it, and no, I won't be any nicer about it. If you've spent any time on here, you know I can make things ten times more ugly, but I feel there's no need to, as you're just going to sit there playing the ass hat card and pretending I'm saying things I'm not.
I'm done here. I stand by what I said, Indigo's statement was completely idiotic, and God of War is a shitfest of a game.
Have fun.

And my first response to YOU was pointing out the Appeal of GoW and NOTHING ELSE. And yeah I know how big of a prick you get to be. but wait wait, before you say anything else.

Do you A. Own a PS3 and B. Own a God of War game.

Not PLAYED Own. if your response to either is no then your opinion is worth dirt in regards to both of them.

as for Sony's confrence being perfect? Nope. It was all over the place. I still say it was the best of the 3.

Necro saying that god of war is a shitfest of a game is reverse fanboyism. No offence but that makes you as bad as a super fanboy. God of war is a good brawler but people who don't like brawlers wont be into it. I think that if you are forgetting game genres and rating the game against everything you may be making a mistake by pitting it against things like bioshock 2 and to tell you the truth crackdown 2 looks equally promising when compared to GoW3. Crackdown was good but barebones and had no story. Parkour was well implemented with it's insane jumping power.

 

[xXGeckoXx]

even confidentiality couldn't save sony from sucking

They still had the best conference.

Is it just me? Or does Sony suffer from leakages far more than Nintendo or Microsoft?

That might be because they have far more to talk about than Microsoft or Nintendo. Sony showed off a guaranteed flawless game and a new hardware revision. Neither Microsoft nor Nintendo had a guaranteed flawless game nor a new hardware revisions

I shouldn't be surprised you're saying this, but here. Two things.

1)There is no such thing as a flawless game. Last Guardian looks interesting, but no game is flawless.

1) You obviously have never played portal hehe..........

Project natal smashed the wii's face in. But to tell you the truth the Sony wiiomte was a better wiimote. Good but zero originality. I think the Sony and Microsoft presentations where basically on par.

 

[Bat Vader]

Why is every console or PC related matter always end up in a flame war? I mean I understand there are fan-boys/girls out there but still everyone should have the maturity to respond to a post without getting angry. If I say I dislike the PS3 it is not an insult the a PS3 owner.

People should have enough maturity and understanding about this.

 

[Bat Vader]

Sony showed off a guaranteed flawless game and a new hardware revision. Neither Microsoft nor Nintendo had a guaranteed flawless game nor a new hardware revisions

Wow, 12k posts in, and you're still spouting fanboy blindness. Grow up a little dude.
"Flawless"? What the hell are you, twelve?
And yes, I found Microsoft's conference to be better, but that's because they announced games I look forward to, L4D2, Crackdown 2. And what did Sony have? God of War 3. Wow, yet another button mashing nightmare gore fest.

If you honestly don't look foward to The Last Guardian, and don't realise its going to be brilliant, then I'm sorry, there's something wrong with you.

What is The Last Guardian? I have never heard of it. I wait for a game to be brilliant when I play it, not some else.

 

[m_jim]

Necro saying that god of war is a shitfest of a game is reverse fanboyism. No offence but that makes you as bad as a super fanboy. God of war is a good brawler but people who don't like brawlers wont be into it. I think that if you are forgetting game genres and rating the game against everything you may be making a mistake by pitting it against things like bioshock 2 and to tell you the truth crackdown 2 looks equally promising when compared to GoW3. Crackdown was good but barebones and had no story. Parkour was well implemented with it's insane jumping power.

I wouldn't even call it a good brawler. Once you figure out the good moves, you just spam those over and over again. There is not a lot of need for situational adaptation. The much touted combo system devolved into "I've grabbed a guy, now I can throw him or punch him. WOOt!" The QTE's that the first game did were interesting at the time, but now that every game on the block has done them as well, they have lost their relevance. Last, as for the story, once you make the Greek gods killable by mortals, then they have lost what sets them apart from other gods, like the Norse ones. The adolescent revenge fantasy only carries a game so far. (That last bit was for Dingo, not you Gecko)