If this happened i would seriously fucking burn my sony products, renounce my console ways and become a PC gam- haha nah, i'd just get an xbox.
Sony Could Interrupt Your Games With Ads
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I don't remember a specific example, but EA was doing this tons in games for a while. The last EA game I picked up was KoA, and before that...I don't remember the last one. So....DustyDrB said:
I THINK Burnout: Paradise did it.
Pretty much like TV.
I think the biggest "problem" with advertising is that we've learned to tune them out. I can't remember the last ten ads I've seen, and the only ad Captcha from this site whose name I remember is Chevy. I mean, I get those bad boys like ten times in a row. They still don't stick. I don't get cable anymore, because it's too expensive, and I don't watch enough. But the last time I watched commercial TV, I just did something else during the commercials. So yeah, I don't thinks this'll work, for obvious reasons.
This isn't a solution. It probably will make more problems. Like us not buying PS4s. Because I won't support this crap, either.
If this is true, I can't wait for the PS4 to launch. I want to see if Sony plays the same denial game this time.DVS BSTrD said:
Oh God. I'm dying here. That was hilarious for some reason.RedEyesBlackGamer said:
And now I'm picturing this in other media. Bambi's mom gets shot, and suddenly, the frame freezes and you hear "have a happy period!"
the PC Master Race keeps whining that games are being dumbed down for consoles or that games are "shitty console ports." What makes you think you're immune here?RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
You know, unless you have a Sony device of some sort, since this mentioned hardware inclusion and did not specify it was PS4 only.doggie015 said:
Or other companies see this happening and want in.
Besides, "people will crack it" hasn't stopped always on DRM or the other crap you mentioned.
You said:Fayathon said:
My stance is as such: If the ads are in the games, then buy the games to support the developers and then pirate a not-fucked copy.
I am confused because your stance has apparently changed between these two posts.
Yeah, yeah... I promise I will start to rage. When this technology actually - in some far away and more and more hypothetical future - slows down and stops some game I'm playing.
Until then: could somebody please pick up the sack of rice that just fell over in China?
Until then: could somebody please pick up the sack of rice that just fell over in China?
The problem with that is the developers then have a conflict of interest to make loading times shorter as they will get less ad money. There will be incentive (usually applied by the Publishers) to make more loading times and do NOTHING to make them shorter. The ads with be obnoxious, they will make noises, they will be TOTALLY irrelevant like selling dish washing maintenance to someone playing a first person shooter.Terminate421 said:The only time I don't care to see an ad is at this screen:
You know, the screen where nothing is happening while the map loads?
So long as it doesn't happen when I am pinned down in the middle of a sniper zone, I could give less of a shit. I could imagine the irony when Pepsi is advertised while I am drinking my coke.
Though I also wouldn't care if there was a pepsi billboard stopping Tank Rounds from hitting me.
You have to be careful monetising games.
You may think free-to-play gives incentive to sell over-powered game breaking weapons but that is contrary to their objective and that is to get as many people as technologically possible to download the game and play it and keep them hooked. That will not work if they are being constantly killed by rich players who bought OP guns. No, You sell them EVERYTHING about the game except what interferes with players to play fair games against each other. That means no to OP weapons AND no to premium map packs. But anything else from cosmetic, convenience, mod-options, re-play, etc can be sold or earned slowly.
Games are in a POOR position to advertise as they don't really know ANYTHING about their player.
Google is in a good position to make money off advertising as it does a good job both as guessing their interests based on their searches and also on tracking individual users. This is why Google stock exploded when it went on the stock market, their strategy of making money made sense.
But getting someone to log onto a game doesn't say anything about them except they like this game. So don't both trying to open them up to advertisers who will try to sell them ANYTHING! instead take what you know: they like this game enough to play it and sell them stuff TO DO WITH THE GAME! Sell merchandise, sell a single-player campaign episodically, sell server storage for their replays, sell item slots, hats, weapons customisations (that other players can see), tag customisation, etc
Because when I'm doing Photoshop work I really want to have to watch a freakin' ad. And I can see them try leverage Trusted Computing to make sure you don't have something that subverts the ad....Karloff said:
Gods, I'm starting to think Doctorow was right when he said there was a coming war on general computing [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg].
We now interrupt Grandpa's Message for Suzy's Fifth Birthday Party.mpg for an ad for Kotex.Karloff said:
So it's a virus?Karloff said:
By swearing and turning off the game. Or going to the bathroom I guess.Karloff said:
Meanwhile, your ass got smoked because you were playing a shooter online.Karloff said:
This? THIS is one of the many reasons I HATE SONY.
Then do it at this screen:Treblaine said:The problem with that is the developers then have a conflict of interest to make loading times shorter as they will get less ad money. There will be incentive (usually applied by the Publishers) to make more loading times and do NOTHING to make them shorter. The ads with be obnoxious, they will make noises, they will be TOTALLY irrelevant like selling dish washing maintenance to someone playing a first person shooter.Terminate421 said:The only time I don't care to see an ad is at this screen:
You know, the screen where nothing is happening while the map loads?
So long as it doesn't happen when I am pinned down in the middle of a sniper zone, I could give less of a shit. I could imagine the irony when Pepsi is advertised while I am drinking my coke.
Though I also wouldn't care if there was a pepsi billboard stopping Tank Rounds from hitting me.
You have to be careful monetising games.
You may think free-to-play gives incentive to sell over-powered game breaking weapons but that is contrary to their objective and that is to get as many people as technologically possible to download the game and play it and keep them hooked. That will not work if they are being constantly killed by rich players who bought OP guns. No, You sell them EVERYTHING about the game except what interferes with players to play fair games against each other. That means no to OP weapons AND no to premium map packs. But anything else from cosmetic, convenience, mod-options, re-play, etc can be sold or earned slowly.
Games are in a POOR position to advertise as they don't really know ANYTHING about their player.
Google is in a good position to make money off advertising as it does a good job both as guessing their interests based on their searches and also on tracking individual users. This is why Google stock exploded when it went on the stock market, their strategy of making money made sense.
But getting someone to log onto a game doesn't say anything about them except they like this game. So don't both trying to open them up to advertisers who will try to sell them ANYTHING! instead take what you know: they like this game enough to play it and sell them stuff TO DO WITH THE GAME! Sell merchandise, sell a single-player campaign episodically, sell server storage for their replays, sell item slots, hats, weapons customisations (that other players can see), tag customisation, etc
One idea is to do the advertisement the way Microsoft is advertising on the Xbox360 home page, there is a video constantly playing ad's but you don't hear sound until you scroll over to it. Though, the ads now are just ads for Halo 3 and Fable 2 (I guess its for games that are available for download in the marketplace)
By the way, I should mention that I only own a PC and Xbox, however, that does not mean that I won't comment here considering how it may come to other places.
So long as they don't do ads when I am busy trying to figure out the best way to take out a Tank with only a Plasma Pistol, I am okay. Also, the ads must happen when I am not touching my controller, not when I am busy picking a different playlist.
So it looks like we may have next generation consoles that block used games and have adverts in the game that interupt you playing. You know I think I made the right call jumping ship to pc and I imagine if they really go throw with this more console refugee will be fleeing to pc.
The last time they tried they introduced malware that opened a massive hole in your computers security, and as a result thousands of peoples computers got trashed.Rex Dark said:
We will have to, once again, turn to pirates for the optimal gaming experience.
Two words: Fuck off.
Sorry, but if I've payed ANY sort of money into a product, you shouldn't be showing me mandatory advertisements. You're treading on thin ice here Sony. I have no qualms dropping consoles all together and focusing on my PC.
It's simple, if you've paid any amount of money into a service or product, that service or product should not have any intrusive advertisements. You don't see Netflix shoving ads in before you get to watch your show/movie.
Sorry, but if I've payed ANY sort of money into a product, you shouldn't be showing me mandatory advertisements. You're treading on thin ice here Sony. I have no qualms dropping consoles all together and focusing on my PC.
They did this same shit in Wipeout HD, look at how long that lasted. They claimed that the ads didn't affect load times, but that was quickly disproven. Afterward they took the ads out because of all the complaints they were getting. (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-removes-in-game-advert-that-increased-load-times)Terminate421 said:The only time I don't care to see an ad is at this screen:
You know, the screen where nothing is happening while the map loads?
So long as it doesn't happen when I am pinned down in the middle of a sniper zone, I could give less of a shit. I could imagine the irony when Pepsi is advertised while I am drinking my coke.
Though I also wouldn't care if there was a pepsi billboard stopping Tank Rounds from hitting me.
It's simple, if you've paid any amount of money into a service or product, that service or product should not have any intrusive advertisements. You don't see Netflix shoving ads in before you get to watch your show/movie.
so we pay for the games, then were forced to watch adverts at random intervals?
Lol. Oh wait your being serious....
There really trying there best to make piracy seem even more appealing. Not only will you not have to pay, you will get a better experience. Well Done Sony, another win for team stupid.
On a side note this is not going to happen...
and i have to add how frustrating do you think it will be just to see your game slow down while your playing it, you've all seen lag before, well this is going to be intentional lag with a advert on top, your not going to buy the products, your just going to be annoyed as all hell.
Lol. Oh wait your being serious....
There really trying there best to make piracy seem even more appealing. Not only will you not have to pay, you will get a better experience. Well Done Sony, another win for team stupid.
On a side note this is not going to happen...
and i have to add how frustrating do you think it will be just to see your game slow down while your playing it, you've all seen lag before, well this is going to be intentional lag with a advert on top, your not going to buy the products, your just going to be annoyed as all hell.
I'm confused. How does this have anything to do with piracy? If the ad technology is in the system's hardware, how would whether your game disc being legit or some crap ripped off the internet matter?
If anything, I feel sorry for the game devs that would inevitably have to build their games with this in mind. It's bound to complicated the process somehow, especially given this "slowing down" crap that's being implemented.
If anything, I feel sorry for the game devs that would inevitably have to build their games with this in mind. It's bound to complicated the process somehow, especially given this "slowing down" crap that's being implemented.
Well then, I'm totally mistaken. Surely it won't happen if one is a quality issue and the other doesn't matter to most PC gamers!RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
By doing that, you're still sending a message that the adware program works.Fayathon said:
My stance is as such: Don't buy the game. Don't pirate the game. Don't play the game. It's only if we stop such habits (and let them know!) that things change. I know it's hard to get over the self-indulgent mindset of the average gamer, but at some point "I want it!" can no longer be a justification for taking this kind of crap.
they kind of were invalid. For example:RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
Which, in no way, impacts whether or not this would occur in gaming. You're making a point related to the specific example which does not change the fact that it is done, no matter how much warning or how poorly received it is.
Could you please speak to a meaningful reason for any of your objections being relevant to the prospect of them trying?