I take it I'm the only person who actually read the article, found it was about RTS gaming, and thought it could work... rather well actually!
Sony: PlayStation Move Better Than Mouse & Keyboard
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I love how on Amazon the list price of $99.99 is crossed out and replaced with $99.96. WOW 3 CENTS.
See, I read statements like this one where they talk about how RTS games don't take the 3rd dimension into account, and it saddens me - because once more somebody is overlooking a masterpiece like Shiny's Sacrifice [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrifice_%28video_game%29] as if it had not in fact been released a bloody decade ago. Or for that matter, Battlezone 2 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlezone_2], which is 11 years old now. The 3rd dimension intersecting with RTS gameplay is nothing new, people just think it hasn't happened because those innovative and excellent genre-defying games were commercial flops.
So much for our insistence as gamers that we crave innovation.
So much for our insistence as gamers that we crave innovation.
What I'm hearing is "RTS doesn't ever need a 3rd dimension of control, but wouldn't it be could if it did, and that Move was good for it?"
Can't Sony be happy with its black colossus as it is and stop trying to give it more worthless shit to do?
In addition to the "arm waving spastic thing" there is simply the issue of text. It can be argued that headsets allow for person to person communication, albiet with a lot of limitations since only one person can talk at a time, but when it comes to sending mail online, or simply "enter name" for a character in a game or something, the keyboard is more efficient than anything a controller or motion wand are ever going to be able to accomplish.
What's more the person doing this seems not to have played many RTS games, because while I can see the point as far as dragging a box around a bunch of units and moving them somewhere, that's part of RTS games but hasn't been the major focus of the gameplay for like 15 years or so now. Today to play an RTS right you need to be able to set up patrol routs, group differant kinds of units into various groups and be able to move them individually, and similar things.
There just aren't as many buttons on a controller/motion stick set up to do an RTS game right without substantially lowering the options and/or scale. I suppose if someone sized them back to say 1995 level with improved graphics one could argue that the central control system with a motion stick could do most of what you need to do, however the genere has advanced substantially since then.
What's more the person doing this seems not to have played many RTS games, because while I can see the point as far as dragging a box around a bunch of units and moving them somewhere, that's part of RTS games but hasn't been the major focus of the gameplay for like 15 years or so now. Today to play an RTS right you need to be able to set up patrol routs, group differant kinds of units into various groups and be able to move them individually, and similar things.
There just aren't as many buttons on a controller/motion stick set up to do an RTS game right without substantially lowering the options and/or scale. I suppose if someone sized them back to say 1995 level with improved graphics one could argue that the central control system with a motion stick could do most of what you need to do, however the genere has advanced substantially since then.
Finally someone actually reads the article. When exactly did he say that Move would work better than the mouse+keyboard setup for traditional RTSs?AC10 said:
He said that Move works well in giving you god-like control (not that the control is god-like, but the type of control is) and he said that RTS could be specifically developed to make use of 3D control which Mouse controls can't give you. That's pretty much it. He didn't say it in a smug or superlative way, calm down everyone. Jesus, stop altering stories with your insipid headlines Escapist.
Anyway I have major doubts about the potential about 3D RTS controls,just like you, but atleast I can see the promise. The short teaser of the tank game in the original Move tech demo kind of worked like that.
And I meant RTS, not RPG.Brotherofwill said:
Damn you, early mornings!
But yeah, I'm interested to see what they come up with. Out of all the motion control things the move interests me the most. However, I'm playing it skeptical and I'm going to wait for them to convince me. No more early adopting for me!
Sony has been making all of these kind of statements that I think is just trolling to get people to fight.
LOLWUT
That's insane! using move in an rts would be like using a less precise mouse, how would that be an innovation? I don't really see how making an action require bigger movements would make it like "second-nature". Besides, I doubt that they could assign all the basic game commands (pause, select, all that stuff) and still have a reasonable amount of buttons for hotkeys.
That's insane! using move in an rts would be like using a less precise mouse, how would that be an innovation? I don't really see how making an action require bigger movements would make it like "second-nature". Besides, I doubt that they could assign all the basic game commands (pause, select, all that stuff) and still have a reasonable amount of buttons for hotkeys.