Sony Provides Timeline of Attack Hinting at Anonymous' Involvement

[UnmotivatedSlacker]

If Anon had done this, they would have;
A - Been all in Sony's face about it ("Nah, nah, nah, we hacked you, we hacked you, we hacked you gooood!") right away.
B - Left something far funnier in the server for them to find than a .txt document with "We are Legion"
C - Never claimed to not have done it in the first place.

You're assuming everyone in Anonymous acts the same way.

 

[FogHornG36]

yes, anyone can be in Anonymous, but that doesn't mean anyone can be an awsome hacker, or social engineer who is smart, and talented enough to get passwords, or get in, not everyone in anon is a hacker, most are script kiddies.

this sounds like hackers threw that in to try and throw the dogs off their trail.

 

[Dragonpit]

"We are Legion." Appropriate, for they are many. *hint, hint*

 

[Shining_Pyrelight]

Anon is an easy excuse, I don't like them, but from past events I don't think "Anon" would operate this way. Probably a rogue hacker if anything.

Any way you look at it, I want the people behind this caught and punished...by any and all means necessary.

 

[chinangel]

This really dosen't seem like Anonymous shtick. Anonymous may do some (or a lot of) illegal things. But they are motivated not by greed but usually by lulz or by protecting social freedoms.

This is neither lulz worthy or socially motivated. It's just someone riding Anon's tailcoats.

 

[Furious Styles]

I'm not a massive fan of anonymous but this evidence does seem pretty flimsy. In fact it isn't really evidence at al is it. I mean, with that phrase it could just as easily be a radical Christian group, or radical Mass Effect 2 fans or, well, anyone.

I wouldn't put it past anonymous though, after all they don't seem to have much of a problem with theft.

 

[Denamic]

If Anonymous says they didn't do it, Anonymous didn't do it.
They are not an organized group.
They only move when the chaotic masses happen to agree with each other.
If a single person or small group does something without the blessing of Anon, they are not Anon.
If Anon actively denounces such acts, not only are these hackers not Anon; they are enemies of Anon.

 

[MajorDolphin]

Anon has no reason to steal credit card information from users. They are against Censorship and are sometimes doing stupid shit to prove that, but stealing personal data is not anti-censorship and I therefor could not believe Anon is involved.

...and all Anons have the exact same morals and beliefs and in no way participate in retarded actions because they're idiotic children with nothing better to do...

Seriously man, Anonymous doesn't screen their "members". They have no way of knowing whose participating and for what reasons. They started a riot under the guise of "free speech" and a few rioters decided to blow up the city. Whose to blame? Both. I honestly hope Sony prosecutes every retarded Anonymous idiot they can. I know the majority of them are just kids who would be out vandalizing street signs if there wasn't an internet but they have to learn a lesson.

Your point about anon makes no sense with what you want to see done to it's members. "Anon's members may not all be moral, so let's hunt down and punish all of them, even the ones who are."

This entire "for the people" and free speech nonsense is nothing but their way of drawing in good people into their schemes when they know a network is going to take more than a bunch of /b/tards to take down a server. They know they wouldn't get a lot of volunteers with "we're going to bully the internet because we're bullied at school" approach.

What exactly have they done for the masses anyway? Took on Scientology? Oohh!! Thats a win for the people! Bullied some kid who started some "no cussing club"? Drove some abused girl insane and pushed her abusive father over the edge? Spread some "we are coming" rumors around the internet? Hit Sony with DDOS attacks? Yeah, all of these things are "for the people".

They only pull out the holier-than-thou lines when they need mass support for some project of theirs and the tactics they deploy rarely ever accomplish anything.

 

[sheic99]

B) So Anonymous got into this because Sony sued a guy who was enabling pirates.

................

So, people are acting surprised that a group that is fighting on behalf of pirates may have members that are willing to engage in credit card theft.

Geohot enabled pirates in the same way that Smith & Wesson enables armed robbery. Just because something could be used in that doesn't mean it was designed for that in mind.

OT: Anyone here who thinks Sony planted that note, is an idiot. On the other hand, I'm still not entirely sure it's Anon. Assuming they would follow the first 2 rule of the internet.

 

[punipunipyo]

Maybe I'm out dated... maybe I'm low tech... but... who is this "Anonymous" gang(?) you guys are talking about? anyhow... If that Anon group is as powerful/noble/wise, as people here described...(Robbin Hood online?)THEY'D probably won't tempered with our info, for their own pride sake... on the other hand, if someone who hacked in, and try to frame Anon... they are in for some serous shit... but if it's SONY (I REALLY don't think so... because it's too sloppy), or their Hired guns being lazy and dumping name... or poop out an ANTI-HACKERS propaganda... then SONY is looking at a very deep rabbit hole, leading to inferno...

I am just glad they got things back on line... and I hope they are not lying about the free DLC stuff... now... if I can just find that "back on line date... damn...

 

[snfonseka]

If it was Anonymous, you'd think they'd do something a little grander to announce their involvement. Like they've done with basically everything else.

^This.

 

[The Rockerfly]

An anonymous person did it, therefore it was done by anonymous. Not that hard a concept to grasp

 

[BlueMage]

There MUST be a core group of people who organize the actions of Anonymous, just because we aren't aware of who they are doesn't mean they do not exist. I don't think anyone is trying to "frame" anonymous, per se, but I do think they the core group that MUST exist had nothing to do with it.

* sigh * No. There really isn't. The Anon leading any given charge against whatever the hell draws the Legion's ire is the one who gives the most of a shit. The rest think "Hey, this guy/gal has the right idea, FALL IN!" and it snowballs from there.

Then a week passes and everyone's bored and off onto something else. Some go back to their CP, others go back to wanking to the Open Source credo, a few even head over to 4chan. Some of us even go back to our normal lives, with jobs and spouses and everything.

Everything that's happened to Sony bespeaks organised crime. And that's a far more terrifying thought. Because organised crime groups have a vested interest in precisely the details stolen - it allows for very clean laundering of crime-produced funds. The only better way is to run it through a casino several times.

 

[Svenparty]

I cant go through these threads without cringing at the thought of people who have this logic:

"Anonymous didn't do it because they haven't announced it etc"

Anon can be ANYONE of ANY idealogical stand point. It's what gives them their power as they can be portrayed by the majority of Media as a shadowy org who are everywhere. For all we know the hackers could claim to be Anonymous but that doesn't place the blame on a large extent on the more popular "operations"

Overall things like this make you wonder about the future of the Internet when hackers can sometimes be virtually limitless.

 

[BlueMage]

I cant go through these threads without cringing at the thought of people who have this logic:

"Anonymous didn't do it because they haven't announced it etc"

Anon can be ANYONE of ANY idealogical stand point. It's what gives them their power as they can be portrayed by the majority of Media as a shadowy org who are everywhere. For all we know the hackers could claim to be Anonymous but that doesn't place the blame on a large extent on the more popular "operations"

Overall things like this make you wonder about the future of the Internet when hackers can sometimes be virtually limitless.

Our logic arises from some simple points:

1. Anonymous, as the group most well known, has certain characteristics. Dick-waving being chief among these.
2. While anyone (EVERYONE!) is Anonymous, that doesn't mean they're Anonymous or that other Anons will give half a shit. If one Anon goes against the rest of Anonymous, said Anon is now just an anon.
3. Hackers on Steroids. Get some curtains and buy a dog.

 

[DanteVX]

To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a rogue Anon, but AnonOp's? No. They wouldn't bother lying, and to be honest, I don't think they would steal the information, they may break in and make in known that they had, but not bother stealing the CC information of the customers...even if its as simple as they knew that that the police would get involved and they would get caught very quickly.

What I would like to propose to Anonymous is this. If it wasn't you and you stand for the things you say you do and you are as strong and as clever as you say you are, then why don't you go find who did this? Present them to Sony, and then laugh in Sony's, The FBI's and Homeland security's faces, because you did their job for them. How about stop pretending your working for the good of the people and actually do some good for a change, rather than sitting there quoting Legion from Shadow Man (I know Legion is from the Gospel of Mark, but I am sure that's not where they heard it from).

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

and that it has several new security measures put in place to protect the networks from further intrusion, including several extra firewalls, enhanced encryption, and a brand new data center in an "undisclosed location."

From what I understand from an expert who has actually worked on that, actually adding encryption to your data flow might be enough to fix half these problems.

And then making sure someone can't use a hacked system as a supernode.

If what he says is true, and I've no reason to doubt him, Sony's security was paperthin.

 

[BabyRaptor]

OK, what are they doing for those of us who either never did or no longer have a PS3, but they had our info?

My roommate had a PS3 for about a month. They had our bank account info. I still want that 6 hours of my life back.

Edited because I can't type tonight.