Sony Provides Timeline of Attack Hinting at Anonymous' Involvement
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Well it's 4:30 est here and psn is still not up so the whole up a week from yesterday has gone out the window. But sony found a file that seems to come from anon? Now i don't care what anon does because i personaly don't like it, nor will i give me reasons why i don't like em too much, but as much as i would love to say "hey evidence that anon did this go get em" i can't really say that it's just much of a convenience that that file was there like it was ment to be found. Now i know anon said they had nothing to do with this attack, but come on people lie all the time, and like i said before anon is made up of many members so it could have been alot of members in anon who decided to keep it hush hush. But still anon may not have done it maybe they did we may never know for sure.
On a side note i got one of those psn cards the day psn went down and i made the stupid choice to listen to sony and think psn was only gonna be down for a few days, shame on me. now i dont think i can return the card now but does anyone know if the cards exspire if they arnt used after a certain amount of time cuz i don't see a date on the card.
On a side note i got one of those psn cards the day psn went down and i made the stupid choice to listen to sony and think psn was only gonna be down for a few days, shame on me. now i dont think i can return the card now but does anyone know if the cards exspire if they arnt used after a certain amount of time cuz i don't see a date on the card.
As for the second paragraph what about HBGary? That was most certainly "serious business." I wouldn't say it's not Anonymous based solely on the scope of the attack, I wouldn't really put anything as beyond their reach. This does fit rather nicely with the declaration that it would be a symbolic attack designed to make Sony feel as though they were only renting their equipment. I think until the culprits are caught we will not know whether Anonymous was involved or not.kurupt87 said:
EDIT: Also, from the wording of the article is sounds like Sony neglected to try a Live Response to the intrusion. If so they missed out on valuable forensic information that could have been used to find the culprits.
WeeeellBraedan said:
Sony's being pretty up-front about everything, and I'm finding it harder and harder to lay blame on them for this.Scott Bullock said:
As for the Anonymous thing, yeah, it's likely not the "core" Anon folks doing this... but seriously people, wake the hell up.
Everyone that's riding Anon's jock keeps up with the, "They are everyone and no one and they have no structure and they're magic and Batman and they're not an organization." Okay, so if someone claiming to be Anonymous did this, how can you then assert they didn't?
Anonymous has no overseers. They have no accountability, no records, no rules. They don't have to answer to anyone. They have a loosely-defined "stick it to the man" philosophy, and tons of members of questionable ethical standing. They have no way to fact-check anything they claim, so they can just say what they want folks to believe is the truth, and everyone just has to swallow it.
They are Big Brother, far more than anyone like Sony.
So this issue at hand (Sony's problem) isn't about whether or not Anonymous did this at the moment. But Christ, quit defending them in a way that is inconsistent with everything you've said about them thus far.
I say it's just a series of unfortunate events for Sony.
(NOTE: ALL SPECULATION)
1st: Someone found the root key to be able to make custom software on the PS3
2nd: Someone made a Custom OS on PS3 from that root
3rd: Someone attacked Sony's website the first time which led them open. Which Sony had to close down PSN for awhile but was stopped when the group did not want civilians involved (PSN)
4th: Another person figured out the Custom OS had access to everything and stole it
5th: Sony found out and is now on this debacle
(NOTE: ALL SPECULATION)
1st: Someone found the root key to be able to make custom software on the PS3
2nd: Someone made a Custom OS on PS3 from that root
3rd: Someone attacked Sony's website the first time which led them open. Which Sony had to close down PSN for awhile but was stopped when the group did not want civilians involved (PSN)
4th: Another person figured out the Custom OS had access to everything and stole it
5th: Sony found out and is now on this debacle
I think Sony is going to have to learn a LOT of humility VERY quickly. They may have thought themselves above the customer beforehand, but all of a sudden, they've realised that they can't survive without them, so they're going to need all the customers they can get. Of course they're going to be doling out bribes left right and centre, if that's what you want to call it. I'll be interested if this leads to better service in the long run as well.Nicole Stacy said:
Besides, it doesn't detract from the fact that you're getting free stuff.
If Anon had done this, they would have;
A - Been all in Sony's face about it ("Nah, nah, nah, we hacked you, we hacked you, we hacked you gooood!") right away.
B - Left something far funnier in the server for them to find than a .txt document with "We are Legion"
C - Never claimed to not have done it in the first place.
A - Been all in Sony's face about it ("Nah, nah, nah, we hacked you, we hacked you, we hacked you gooood!") right away.
B - Left something far funnier in the server for them to find than a .txt document with "We are Legion"
C - Never claimed to not have done it in the first place.
This is my thought. Nobody remotely intelligent (i.e. the activists leveraging the Anonymous "brand" to get disenfranchised nerds mobilized for various causes) is going to admit to something like massive identity theft. There's certain things any good grey hat hacker learns, and not messing with financial data is one of them. Not getting dragged down by a moron who couldn't cover his tracks is high on the list as well.thepyrethatburns said:
Also, in the spirit of "Anonymous" no individual section of it can claim "we didn't do anything" without dropping the label. It's pretty hard to hide behind a shield of thousands of random Internet jerks without a few who go too far.
As far as people claiming Anon owns up to all the big stuff they do, that only assumes that you know about the stuff they didn't tell you was done.
...and all Anons have the exact same morals and beliefs and in no way participate in retarded actions because they're idiotic children with nothing better to do...Nikolaz72 said:
Seriously man, Anonymous doesn't screen their "members". They have no way of knowing whose participating and for what reasons. They started a riot under the guise of "free speech" and a few rioters decided to blow up the city. Whose to blame? Both. I honestly hope Sony prosecutes every retarded Anonymous idiot they can. I know the majority of them are just kids who would be out vandalizing street signs if there wasn't an internet but they have to learn a lesson.
Anonymous has been getting creepier and creepier as time goes on. They're getting a little too "Big Brother" for me to really trust and, in fact, if this is over Sony's treatment towards customers, this is far and away the pettiest thing the group has ever done. It's not for peoples rights or for blatant immorality. This literally exposes the group as nothing but a few angry children attacking the "big, bad business" that was terrible enough to try and defend its investment. Whether you agree with the methods or not, it was a civil trial that ended and everyone was glad when it did.
I sincerely hope this isn't connected to the group, though I certainly don't see them helping with this massive attack on personal security and identity. Is that just not worth the groups time? Not worth their attention? Or would it be turning back on itself?
Sorry, but I'm not impressed with the fair weather principles of the group and the fact that, if connected with these actions, they are attacking a company that people might not agree with, but could have worked with before crushing it and possibly unemploying thousands of people who worked very hard to make we, the gaming community, happy through their efforts. If Sony cannot recover from these attacks, the loss to the gaming culture in IP's and financial resources will be enormous, but hey, way to make your point at the expense of an industry, assholes...whoever you are. PLEASE don't be Anonymous, since with some kind of higher goal, it could be doing amazing things right now instead of squandering all its potential.
I sincerely hope this isn't connected to the group, though I certainly don't see them helping with this massive attack on personal security and identity. Is that just not worth the groups time? Not worth their attention? Or would it be turning back on itself?
Sorry, but I'm not impressed with the fair weather principles of the group and the fact that, if connected with these actions, they are attacking a company that people might not agree with, but could have worked with before crushing it and possibly unemploying thousands of people who worked very hard to make we, the gaming community, happy through their efforts. If Sony cannot recover from these attacks, the loss to the gaming culture in IP's and financial resources will be enormous, but hey, way to make your point at the expense of an industry, assholes...whoever you are. PLEASE don't be Anonymous, since with some kind of higher goal, it could be doing amazing things right now instead of squandering all its potential.
Your point about anon makes no sense with what you want to see done to it's members. "Anon's members may not all be moral, so let's hunt down and punish all of them, even the ones who are."MajorDolphin said: