Yeah, I don't like that either. At least Nintendo is still focused on making Game Consoles for the Games, but everyone here keeps branding them as a bunch of losers.KeyMaster45 said:
It's as if we want Game Consoles to no longer focus on Games...
Sony Touts PS4 As the Most Powerful Gaming Device Ever
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It's as if we want Game Consoles to no longer focus on Games...
Nintendo means well, they really do. We just wish they would stop forcing their experimental peripherals on us as mandatory items for their consoles.Mr.Mattress said:
[HEADING=3]And to Think I Entertained the Thought of Going PC[/HEADING]The console industry will flourish; and the future -- that is, for Microsoft & Sony -- appears bright as it's predicated on "the future". The controller looks and sounds innovative, and yet not half-hearted in any measure. Everything about the controller serves a specific purpose for the game and the console itself! The console just wants to please you; the PC wants you working for pleasure -- i.e customization, mods, user keys and downloads. All of this busy work gets in the way of experiencing the game. [HEADING=3] PC vs PS4 Spec Comparisons Are Moot[/HEADING] As long as the power is substantive and broad enough, you can count on human ingenuity stretch this console's capacity for their idea. Not to mention the consistency among the titles for consoles.
The non-specifics of the hardware is really annoying. I'll say this though, 2 Teraflops is impressive for a console. My 660Ti does 2.5 Teraflops. 2 Teraflops puts it at least a high end first gen DX11 card. Why they would go with x86 architecture is just confusing for me. Especially since x64 is really common, not expensive anymore, and much better. But, he is the engineer, I'm just a PC enthusiast. Spin it how you want, I didn't expect their next gen to have general stats they are giving. Makes me think the thing will be stupidly expensive after they are taking a loss for selling it. Time will tell though.
Where is that quoted from. I would be interested in reading the whole thing.worldfest said:[HEADING=3]And to Think I Entertained the Thought of Going PC[/HEADING]The console industry will flourish; and the future -- that is, for Microsoft & Sony -- appears bright as it's predicated on "the future". The controller looks and sounds innovative, and yet not half-hearted in any measure. Everything about the controller serves a specific purpose for the game and the console itself! The console just wants to please you; the PC wants you working for pleasure -- i.e customization, mods, user keys and downloads. All of this busy work gets in the way of experiencing the game. [HEADING=3] PC vs PS4 Spec Comparisons Are Moot[/HEADING] As long as the power is substantive and broad enough, you can count on human ingenuity stretch this console's capacity for their idea. Not to mention the consistency among the titles for consoles.
Well everyone else summed up what I was thinking.
Pc Gamer magazine already did a hypothetical "What would a PS4 spec equivalent PC cost you to build right now." article. It cost 600 dollars. So by the time the PS4 comes out, that price would have dropped and more powerful hardware would have taken it's place in the same price range.
And remember, you can argue all you want about how consoles "Last longer" spec wise, but the bottom line is they still can't do the same tasks as a conventional computer.
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Pc Gamer magazine already did a hypothetical "What would a PS4 spec equivalent PC cost you to build right now." article. It cost 600 dollars. So by the time the PS4 comes out, that price would have dropped and more powerful hardware would have taken it's place in the same price range.
And remember, you can argue all you want about how consoles "Last longer" spec wise, but the bottom line is they still can't do the same tasks as a conventional computer.
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Most powerful gaming device ever... with the exception of any PCs.
And really, a 32bit CPU?
Ok, maybe he means an X86-64 CPU, but just saying X86... That could be anything back to 16 bit computing, and is more commonly used to describe 32bit programs and such so... Yeah...
Not high hopes for this. What sounds like a meh CPU, an undefined GPU that will probably be a 560 equivalent, maybe a 570 or 580 if we're lucky, and 8Gb of RAM. Yeah... No. As said by Waaghpowa, I could probably build a PC equivalent to this for $600, and I've got a $1500 budget for one of my friends computers. He's getting a beast. Hopefully Sony is at least smart enough to release this for <$600, though with their $1000 PS3 launch here I kinda doubt that.
I mean really, that "The PC wants you working for your pleasure..." Yeah, bullshit. The PC works just fine without any of that. Its like saying the PS4 doesn't want to give you pleasure because it doesn't have customization and mods. Downloads... Pretty sure PS4 will have an online store too. CD keys I'll give, but they're not that big a deal if you can read.
And no, human ingenuity can't stretch the console's capacity for the idea. It can cut the idea down to fit the console's capacity whilst still maintaining much of the original idea, but Optimization isn't a magic Fix-All that you can apply to a game and suddenly run more stuff on the console's hardware. It doesn't work that way.
And really, a 32bit CPU?
Ok, maybe he means an X86-64 CPU, but just saying X86... That could be anything back to 16 bit computing, and is more commonly used to describe 32bit programs and such so... Yeah...
Not high hopes for this. What sounds like a meh CPU, an undefined GPU that will probably be a 560 equivalent, maybe a 570 or 580 if we're lucky, and 8Gb of RAM. Yeah... No. As said by Waaghpowa, I could probably build a PC equivalent to this for $600, and I've got a $1500 budget for one of my friends computers. He's getting a beast. Hopefully Sony is at least smart enough to release this for <$600, though with their $1000 PS3 launch here I kinda doubt that.
You know, its kinda true in that the console industry will flourish thanks to the stigma a lot of people still have about PCs [That is, thankfully, finally starting to die] - namely that they cost $3K, break all the time, need to be upgraded each year and are impossible to tell what will run on it, but otherwise... Yeah...worldfest said:[HEADING=3]And to Think I Entertained the Thought of Going PC[/HEADING]The console industry will flourish; and the future -- that is, for Microsoft & Sony -- appears bright as it's predicated on "the future". The controller looks and sounds innovative, and yet not half-hearted in any measure. Everything about the controller serves a specific purpose for the game and the console itself! The console just wants to please you; the PC wants you working for pleasure -- i.e customization, mods, user keys and downloads. All of this busy work gets in the way of experiencing the game. [HEADING=3] PC vs PS4 Spec Comparisons Are Moot[/HEADING] As long as the power is substantive and broad enough, you can count on human ingenuity stretch this console's capacity for their idea. Not to mention the consistency among the titles for consoles.
I mean really, that "The PC wants you working for your pleasure..." Yeah, bullshit. The PC works just fine without any of that. Its like saying the PS4 doesn't want to give you pleasure because it doesn't have customization and mods. Downloads... Pretty sure PS4 will have an online store too. CD keys I'll give, but they're not that big a deal if you can read.
And no, human ingenuity can't stretch the console's capacity for the idea. It can cut the idea down to fit the console's capacity whilst still maintaining much of the original idea, but Optimization isn't a magic Fix-All that you can apply to a game and suddenly run more stuff on the console's hardware. It doesn't work that way.
Because that's what they fucking should be! It's called a PLAYstation, not an 'express your ideas' station. This may come as a surprise, but people buy gaming consoles primarily for gaming. Shocking I know, but it's true.Greg Tito said:
This right here is EXACTLY why Nintendo is doing the right thing with their consoles. If your console is just a weak PC, what's even the point? Just get a PC. That's why Nintendo have gone out and tried to create a unique gaming experience. You can't (easily) get the Wii(U) experience on a PC, and for the cost of additional hardware to try and replicate that experience you may as well just get yourself a Nintendo. Now, of course the people that are only looking for that PC experience aren't going to be too interested in what Nintendo offers, and that's all well and good - different strokes for different folks and all that. But you have to give them credit for putting out a product that's more than just a handicapped PC.Joccaren said:
True, there was a time like that. That time was a getting close to 20 years ago, and the stigma has gone on for far longer than it has needed to. Hell, the 8 years that I had my last PC should have been enough for it to die, but apparently people want more time to get over the idea that PCs are impossible to use and cost as much as a second hand car. Granted consoles have generally been ahead in the price/power comparison, but this gen is likely to be the last of that. This gen they're equal, and next gen they're likely to fall behind, especially for those who only need to upgrade their PC rather than buy a new one.GunsmithKitten said:
But everybody loves a bull in a china shop...Casual Shinji said:
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In all honesty, not sure how I feel about the new generation of consoles so far...
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So the PS4, is just a locked down PC with a new dual shock controller? Because honestly that is all I'm seeing. They aren't even using a proprietary architecture this time around. Which I guess is good for a lot of reasons, easier porting, saves manufacture and design costs but at the end of the day it's still a PC.
It's like all the Mac users saying they don't use a PC. They do though Apple went to a standard x86 architecture ages ago, all you really pay for is OSX. Color me unimpressed I'm not seeing anything here but a hardware update, at least not anything that someone doesn't already do and better. The whole controller thing seems to be I dunno a half hearted attempt to steal the WiiU design, sort of like the move and kinect were to the wii's motion control (though I think the kinect did a better job of it).
All of this is beside the points because at the end of the day it's the games that make or break a console and determines who the true king of each generation is.
It's like all the Mac users saying they don't use a PC. They do though Apple went to a standard x86 architecture ages ago, all you really pay for is OSX. Color me unimpressed I'm not seeing anything here but a hardware update, at least not anything that someone doesn't already do and better. The whole controller thing seems to be I dunno a half hearted attempt to steal the WiiU design, sort of like the move and kinect were to the wii's motion control (though I think the kinect did a better job of it).
All of this is beside the points because at the end of the day it's the games that make or break a console and determines who the true king of each generation is.
My guess is they are using x64, the whole "supercharged pc hardware thing" makes me think they are using x64, most people don't know it but x64 is also known as x86-64. So when they are saying they are using an x86 processor but then follow it up by saying they are using a super charged pc hardware I think that is just media spin for the fact they are really just using x64.Deathfish15 said:
According to the internet, everyone has a bleeding edge PC at all times.
I wonder if you get the same kind of attitude on Forums dedicated to Petrol Heads (or car enthusiasts)
"News just in. Chevrolet announces new model of Camaro"
"lol noobs, I'll stick to my Ferrari, thanks"
FYI, you PC people should be happy that there is more incentive for game developers to use all that fancy new DirectX 11 goodness, instead of considering it a waste of resources because you know, more console gamers.
I was really happy for you PC guys and girls when nVidia announced there new hardcore Titan graphics card, why can't you be happy for us console gamers aye?
I wonder if you get the same kind of attitude on Forums dedicated to Petrol Heads (or car enthusiasts)
"News just in. Chevrolet announces new model of Camaro"
"lol noobs, I'll stick to my Ferrari, thanks"
FYI, you PC people should be happy that there is more incentive for game developers to use all that fancy new DirectX 11 goodness, instead of considering it a waste of resources because you know, more console gamers.
I was really happy for you PC guys and girls when nVidia announced there new hardcore Titan graphics card, why can't you be happy for us console gamers aye?
Look I'm happy that a new generation is finally coming out. This overly long console generation we have had has totally stalled PC graphics since most our games these days are designed on the PC but optimized for consoles. Which means we PC users get games that don't fully utilize our hardware graphically.DigitalSushi said:
I'm liking the specs I'm seeing honestly, I just upgraded and from what I'm seeing I won't have to upgrade again until the next console cycle unless I just want to because my system is already better than anything the console manufactures are throwing out.
Plus the fact sony went with a standard PC architecture means devs will have an easier time porting games, which hopefully means less console exclusives. Something I as a PC gamer can totally get behind.
Was this supposed to impress me? 'Cause it doesn't. All that power is meaningless if you can't do anything with it.
Its nice to have a PC gamer that is actually discussing the issues surrounding the announcement instead of just saying "HA, well my RIG runs angry birds at a billion frames a second"synobal said:
The problem you have ,with regards to cross platform development, is that Sony (historically) are all about locking down the system using proprietary formats and with exclusives. Think about it, the minidisc player... UMD's for the PSP, when it comes to business Sony are closer to Apple than Microsoft. If your after cross platform then Microsoft's entry is more likely to be PC friendly since Microsoft has a vested interest in the PC platform (even though they keep the gaming department locked up under the stairs)
I actually think all the big players are distancing themselves from PC development, I mean you gotta now develope for Smartglass/Wii U tablet/Vita cross play... that keyboard and mouse superiority doesn't hold up when your controlling your RIG with your android now does it?
Hey, you didn't capitalise Sony?, what the deuce man!synobal said: