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The longer I stare at that sentence, the less sense it makes. Are... are you Cleverbot?Shadow-Phoenix said:
Sony Touts PS4 As the Most Powerful Gaming Device Ever
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On paper: It's a great piece of specialized hardware; raw specs simply do not account for optimization.
The problem: It's fucking Sony behind it; the same company who told the public they will play God with your PS3 after purchase when they feel like it, and will hold functionality hostage unless you obey.
Caveat Emptor
The problem: It's fucking Sony behind it; the same company who told the public they will play God with your PS3 after purchase when they feel like it, and will hold functionality hostage unless you obey.
Caveat Emptor
You know maybe if I was a bit younger, I would be hyped up about this, but honestly I don't give a shit about how high end it's going to be. All I care about is how long the initial games drought for the ps4 is going to last. PS3's lasted about a year and a half.
My fan coolers started spinning faster. I guess they're laughing with me. Don't get me wrong. 8 Gigs of RAM for a console is very impressive, but most powerful GAMING device could not be more wrong. Most powerful console,yeah,maybe, but PC will always smack the shit out of consoles when it comes to Power.
My comparison was directed at the "attitude" PC gamers have, not the power of our game machines. I find this utterly hilarious, apparently I don't even know what I'm trying to say and my comment should be "corrected" like it has specifications.Desert Punk said:
No he wasn't lying, he's doing marketing embellishment, your PC might have more raw horsepower but its a productivity device first and a gaming machine second (I'm just making excuses I know!). It'd be fucking funny though if instead of selling there own product at their own announcement event Sony was all like "yeah its OK I suppose, what we did is we spoke with developers and they told us they wanted mediocrity, so we took mediocrity and ramped it up, we gave them AVERAGE, today I present to you the new member of the PlayStation Family, the PS Apathy... no no, please don't applause, because it ain't all that"
Still I don't understand the whole "power" race in this new generation though if all we will be doing with it is social networking?
[HEADING=1]Bottom Line[/HEADING]Joccaren said:
Graphics don't matter.
When a developer ports to the PC, you're hoping that they are going to exploit the PC's advantages. Unfortunately, there isn't consistency. You have Battlefield 3 which looks absolutely gorgeous, but then comes along a disappointing Dark Souls. Yes, a community provides mods to up-res the game, but why go through all of that trouble when you just want an experience.
[HEADING=3]Consoles REALLY Are the Future[/HEADING] Consoles offer publishers more control. Various groups demand consistency across the platforms. They are more user friendly.[HEADING=3]Crysis 3[/HEADING] The community is still searching for graphics cards and competent drivers to run its Ultra Settings. As it stands, high end processors are choking on a game that was released a week ago.
You can emulate PS1 and PS2 games, not PS3 yet. Real-time decryption and emulation of even that level of hardware makes even high end PCs choke at this point. Probably a year or two more until it gets to the point it can be done efficiently, if memory serves.Durrsly said:
And I never said they did. They do matter to an extent - nobody these days wants to play 16 bit graphic games [Unless they're playing on a PC conveniently enough, which has backwards compatibility enough to run those ancient era games] - but they're not the most important thing in a game, and they are hardly all improved hardware brings.worldfest said:
Better AI, larger levels, more enemies on screen, quicker loading times - EVERYTHING benefits from better hardware.
You're the one that jumped on the graphics train, saying it was only "Slightly better textures". Believe you me, its a lot more than that.
Uhh... No. From what I've read, a 670 maxes it out at 30FPS in the campaign. That's slightly above the power-cost ratio's equilibrium. The 680, 690 and TITAN would all max it out even easier, and when it gets to winter [summer if you live in the northern hemisphere] a new line of graphics cards will be out that'll make maxing Crysis 3 quite affordable.[HEADING=3]Crysis 3[/HEADING] The community is still searching for graphics cards and competent drivers to run its Ultra Settings. As it stands, high end processors are choking on a game that was released a week ago.
And high end CPUs have no problem with C3. The CPU I bought 3 years back can meet the "High end PC requirements" or whatever it is quite nicely, even without overclocking, and were better CPUs out even when I bought it.
Add in to that, so what?
Was your first point not "Graphics don't matter"?
So your second point is "People find it hard to get the best graphics in a game designed for high end systems"?
There's a disconnect here. If your first point is true, your second point is... pointless and moot 'cause graphics don't matter, and you don't have to play Crysis 3 on max - it scales back to i3 CPUs and low end graphics cards for Christ's sake, a 4+ year old rig can run it fine, if you don't care about graphics. Some consistency in what you're arguing would be nice.
Umm....
Right.
Publishers love consoles, which is why Ubisoft is already awaiting the PS5. They get extra control on consoles, which is why they have less control over what console gamers do with their games then they do PC gamers. Consoles are the future, because they're stuck in the past.
Right.
Various groups call out for a difference between PCs and consoles because consoles consistently drag PCs down. Consistency amoung platforms is just a convenient excuse for "We couldn't be bothered porting properly".
They are also NOT more user friendly. There is a reason a lot of people complain about things like the X360 dashboard. They're something a lot of people have more experience with, but since the PS2 they've started to lose the user friendly aspect, at the point where inserting a DVD will no longer instantly start the game.
Whether you prefer consoles or PCs, its a personal preference based largely off your experience and lifestyle. One thing that is not debatable, however, is that consoles are falling further and further behind, and basically forcing a divide between console and PC games. Crysis 3 can't be maxed on next gen consoles. In 2 or 3 years, there'll be a lot more games like that. If Sony and MS try for another 8-10 year gap between releases, consoles will fall further behind.
In addition to that, consoles are terrible for RTS, old style RPGs, 4X, and are worse than a PC for playing FPS, TPS and any other game that requires accuracy and speed. They're an inferior gaming system, and there's a reason that a lot of people are actually swapping to PC at the end of this gen; its cheaper, its easier, its more reliable, and you get more games, that are also of a higher quality.
Of course it is, it's the new one. It's also made by a hardware company who's main competition is a software company that has already released a console and doesn't care much for power, and another software company who don't have diddly squat yet.
Also, I'm pretty sure he's talking about proper dedicated gaming platforms. High end PCs aren't gaming devices, they're desktops that someone is willing to spend embarassingly large amounts of money on for relatively little value.
Also, I'm pretty sure he's talking about proper dedicated gaming platforms. High end PCs aren't gaming devices, they're desktops that someone is willing to spend embarassingly large amounts of money on for relatively little value.
Well the last one i can remember was the PS2. So yep, it's more powerful than thatKingjackl said:
Remember, last gen consoles were just cheap, locked down PC equivalents. This gen is a cheap, locked down PC. Also, i wouldn't say embrassing amounts
My PC wont have cost much more than what people pay for a slow-ass-hell laptop that they'll never move around + console. Except, well, it's vastly better at what it does than both! I quite like the fact i can be from power button to the escapist in ~15 seconds from a completely off PC.Plus, if i didn't have a PC i'd miss out on dozens and dozens of amazing games that aren't on consoles. Guild wars 2, for example, is definitely my GoTY of 2012, and that's a PC exclusive.
Plus, without a PC, i'd not have backwards compatability with PS2 era and older games too. Since PC is the only platform that allows the gamer to access the history of gaming properly, it's the must have platform for anyone serious about their gaming hobby (preferably, you'd end up with all the major platforms, but if i had to only pick one: PC all the way)
Found the image that this very website spawned.
Never before has an image been more appropriate. Yes the PS4 is more powerful than it's predecessors (like that's fucking news)
That's NOT WHAT SONY NEEDS TO FOCUS ON.
"We've got better possibilities for PC ports"
"Because of the hardware"
Say that instead you blithering idiots, then the PC gaming rabid fans like me won't immediately piss ourselves laughing at the clearly incorrect headlines that a an announcement like that spawns.
8 GB of GDDR5 shared RAM? Pity my CPU alone has access to twice that.
Nearly 2 Teraflops of computational power? each graphics card I have has 1.5 TFLOPS of power. That sounds like..more.
As Toms Hardware, Anandtech and Ars Technica mention, the PS4 is $ for $ equivalent to a PC *right now*. They all reckon that in less than 6 months, PCs will surge ahead.
Sony, stop focusing on the wrong positive points of your own fucking products.
Never before has an image been more appropriate. Yes the PS4 is more powerful than it's predecessors (like that's fucking news)
That's NOT WHAT SONY NEEDS TO FOCUS ON.
"We've got better possibilities for PC ports"
"Because of the hardware"
Say that instead you blithering idiots, then the PC gaming rabid fans like me won't immediately piss ourselves laughing at the clearly incorrect headlines that a an announcement like that spawns.
8 GB of GDDR5 shared RAM? Pity my CPU alone has access to twice that.
Nearly 2 Teraflops of computational power? each graphics card I have has 1.5 TFLOPS of power. That sounds like..more.
As Toms Hardware, Anandtech and Ars Technica mention, the PS4 is $ for $ equivalent to a PC *right now*. They all reckon that in less than 6 months, PCs will surge ahead.
Sony, stop focusing on the wrong positive points of your own fucking products.
I use my gaming focused PC to play and record fraps sessions of my games. I don't even listen to music on it outside of youtube. What do you define a "dedicated gaming machine" as? I'm pretty sure people use X360s and PS3's to watch movies at least.Kingjackl said: