Sony Touts PS4 As the Most Powerful Gaming Device Ever

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Wow, I'm really surprised how many people here are not even giving the PS4 a damn chance, I mean let Sony give it a whack and hopefully a kick-ass machine will come out at the end. I own a gaming PC a PS3 and an Xbox 360 and I have them because each can do something the other can't. I prefer Fallout 3 on PS3 than PC because for me, it crashes a lot less.

OT: I really hope that everything Sony says works out then we might end up getting some really good looking console games and raise the standard for console gaming.
 

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This is all sounding really good, but what really sells me on a system is the software. So far it's looking pretty promising, with at least 3 definite buys shown so far.
 

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I don't think you understand how ideas work. You have quite a breadth of knowledge for technology, but you're stymied by this principle: [HEADING=3]There are Always Limitations for Ideas[/HEADING] You simply work around them.
No, I'm pretty sure the quote said stretch the console's capacity, not change your idea, or cut large swaths out of your idea so it'll run on the console.
And whilst there are limitations for ideas that you can work around, there are also those that you can't. No matter what you do with your idea, if it is to make a drug that'll let a normal man fly like Superman, it's not going to work. Physics, Biology, Chemistry and in general the universe are against you on that one.

[HEADING=3]PC Upgrades?[/HEADING] There are no misconceptions about a PC. No one's stupid, they know that investing money in anything will make it better, be it pc's, cars, houses, etc... But most don't upgrade their brand new vehicles; that's just silly. Everything is good enough to suffice. But why do people upgrade their houses? Why install pools and other in-home appliances? Because it raises the sticker price (value) of their house.
Uhhh... I don't know whether you're arguing with me, or agreeing with me. You claim there are no misconceptions about PCs, and what you say is true, but you WILL meet a large number of people who honestly believe you need to spend 2-3K on a rig, and then upgrade it every year after that just to game on a PC. As other people have pointed out, it exists for a reason; things used to be that way a long time back. Now, people just don't get that there's no longer 6 brands of sound cards and 4-5 graphics chips, each playing a different set of games and requiring upgrades for when next years games come out. Building a PC is also ridiculously easy, and you'll find a lot of people who'll compare it to building a car.

[HEADING=3]For Most Consumers, There Is No Incentive of Any Kind for a PC Upgrade[/HEADING] Why would I want to even open up my PC? Who cares about a slightly better textual resolution on Bioshock Infinite or Crysis 3. So is it ignorance? No. This is just how the market goes. Most consumers, like myself, put little value into having to invest time for research about PC's, and more time for $ to buy the appliances. Not to mention that most ordinary people don't want to be at their desks any longer than necessary. In fact, I already want to get off.
Uhh... Slightly better textures... Right...
Ok, so a cheaper rig than a next gen console [Can be done rather easily, an equivalent to the PS4 would cost $600 ATM, and prices'll just keep dropping, even by the time the PS4/X720 are released], that has less than a quarter of the loading time of current gen consoles, that boots up almost as fast as an Ipad, and that has textures up to 8 times the size of a console's, running at resolutions over 4 times as high as what consoles render, in addition to numerous shader and post processing effects, a wider variety of games, a wider variety of control schemes, versatility, cheaper games, mods, larger levels, more enemies, better AI and, to be honest, better everything - and its the consoles that are the economic choice?
Granted you're not going to get the most out of your PC with just a $600 rig. You'll play Crysis 3 like a PS4 would, and you'll play every current gen game way better than any console, but you're not going to max out BF3, TW2 or C3. Some people think you have to to play on the PC, but again, ignorance. You'll still get faster loading times and an alround better deal and experience than you would on a console, with the option for an upgrade later on.

As for you wanting yo get away from the desk - why do you have your PC at your desk?
It is pathetically easy to link one up to your TV, and you can get controllers and such for the PC that'll let you play your games that way too if you don't care for using a KB+M on your couch.

Even then, there are a lot of people who get all of this, yet there's still one factor that keeps them going to consoles, despite the fact that they know they can get a better experience on the PC, and thankfully this is changing; Brand name loyalty. Its not necessarily the 'advantages' of a console that gets a lot of the masses using one, its the fact that "I had a Xbox last gen, I'll get this new one, and I'm sure my friends will too so we'll play together".

Things are slowly changing, but it views on PCs haven't quite swapped yet, whilst people are still loyal to their console of choice - as shown by the stupid Xbox vs PS3 wars you'll find on some parts of the Internet.

There are, doubtless, people who understand and still choose consoles because they fit into their lifestyle better, but there are also a lot who do it for simpler reasons that don't rely on a logical choice. Both kinds exist in the world, and the more common from what I've seen is the latter, but hey, anecdotal evidence and all that.
 

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And out come the PCletists.

Fine you guys have better specs on your computers. PS4's hardware is speculted to run something between $400-600. How many of your gaming rigs cost that little?
Mine. It cost the equivalent of $600-ish, factor out the UK's tax and premiums and the same system's about $450 in the US. It runs everything from Doom to Crysis 3 with little more than a click of compatability mode. It'll max every game in my collection at 1080p save for BF3 and Crysis 3, which are serious post processing GPU melters.

Which is where Sony have a problem, the same one the PS3 had in fact. The price of gaming capable PCs has been dropping rapidly in the last half decade, sure you can spend $2k on a SLI'd up monolith, but a couple hundred bucks and som mid level hardware will handle almost all current games.

Above $400-ish this thing is a hard sell, above $500 it's going to be stumbling on launch like the PS3 so very nearly was even when a good gaming PC was north of a grand.

This one at least sounds more future proofed than the PS3, at least sligthly. PS3 had 512mb total at a time when games were already nailing 512mb GPUs to the wall, for reference BF3 needs about 3.5gb for 1080p at max (total, system + Vram), so at least the PS4 won't be behind on launch day.
 

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Wow, I'm really surprised how many people here are not even giving the PS4 a damn chance, I mean let Sony give it a whack and hopefully a kick-ass machine will come out at the end. I own a gaming PC a PS3 and an Xbox 360 and I have them because each can do something the other can't. I prefer Fallout 3 on PS3 than PC because for me, it crashes a lot less.

OT: I really hope that everything Sony says works out then we might end up getting some really good looking console games and raise the standard for console gaming.
Ordinarily, I'd agree with you, but by the sounds of things this whole thing has all the signs of Sega-CD style failure. If this thing is going to cost a fortune before anyone is even ready to switch up to a new console, and Sony are focusing less on a dedicated gaming machine (dunno what that quote was all about) and more about tacking on a bunch of stupid networking bullshit no one cares about, I don't know...

I love Sony machines, and I really hope it works out, but this has got me worried they could go the way of Sega and end up dropping out of the console market.

OT: Is it my imagination, or have all the new console announcements recently had less to do with playing games, and more to do with a pissing contest against PC's? I find it really hard to get psyched up about a bunch of random numbers instead of launch titles and actually showing us what games will look like.
 

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Waaghpowa said:
Well everyone else summed up what I was thinking.

Pc Gamer magazine already did a hypothetical "What would a PS4 spec equivalent PC cost you to build right now." article. It cost 600 dollars. So by the time the PS4 comes out, that price would have dropped and more powerful hardware would have taken it's place in the same price range.

And remember, you can argue all you want about how consoles "Last longer" spec wise, but the bottom line is they still can't do the same tasks as a conventional computer.

link here

& the 3rd highest rated comment on PC GAMER is accusing the article of skewing and bias and is $250 off...and that's not even including the blue ray drive.
 

Waaghpowa

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& the 3rd highest rated comment on PC GAMER is accusing the article of skewing and bias and is $250 off...and that's not even including the blue ray drive.
Blu ray drives are 50 bucks these days. Even if it's a little off, it doesn't change the fact that
1. The price of those parts will drop by the time the PS4 actually gets released and better hardware will fill the same price point

2. IT STILL DOES EVERYTHING. At the end of the day, everyone still needs a conventional computer/laptop.

The average person will spend ~500 dollars on a PS4 not including the cost of games, accessories etc then most people will also have an overpriced PC/Laptop with tech specs that can't do much more than browse the internet. Some people spend upwards of 1000 dollars on computers that don't have comparable graphics cards. I've built incredible powerful computers for people that don't break the 600 dollar price point. Sure, you might be sacrificing a bit of graphical power for utility, but I was always under the impression that people who wanted consoles didn't care too much about graphics.

Now you can go blah blah blah preference all you want, but I'm not trying to change your preference. I'm simply saying that from a practical stand point, the cost and utility of a PC capable of playing video games is simply cost efficient.

I built my computer about 4 years ago, cost me about 1200 dollars CDN I've upgraded it once and it plays everything on ultra 1080x1920. I have 3 monitors, one of which is a large TV I use for netflix and other videos when I want to lie back and watch, and I even have an assortment of controllers to play various games with. There's nothing I can do with a PS3 that my PC can't do. Why go out and spend 500+ dollars on this PS4 when a tech comparable PC will do it all for a little more?
 

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DigitalSushi said:
I was really happy for you PC guys and girls when nVidia announced there new hardcore Titan graphics card, why can't you be happy for us console gamers aye?
I'm not really expressing feelings one way or the other, but I'm reading everyone's comments to be in the stream of "they could do better because I can do better" and not "this is the worst thing ever!"

Besides, fuck Titan. It costs more than 2 powerful PCs combined.
 

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DigitalSushi said:
FYI, you PC people should be happy that there is more incentive for game developers to use all that fancy new DirectX 11 goodness
This right here is about the only reason I want the next gen of consoles to come out, I'm sick of games always running on DX9 when they've been able to use DX11 for years now.

Incidentally I actually hate people who insist on staying with XP for the same reason, no progress is made so long as it's better money to hold back.
 

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MiriaJiyuu said:
DigitalSushi said:
FYI, you PC people should be happy that there is more incentive for game developers to use all that fancy new DirectX 11 goodness
This right here is about the only reason I want the next gen of consoles to come out, I'm sick of games always running on DX9 when they've been able to use DX11 for years now.

Incidentally I actually hate people who insist on staying with XP for the same reason, no progress is made so long as it's better money to hold back.
I'll be honest I only ever change OS's whenever I buy a new PC, if my old laptop was still alive I'd still be running XP until it was annoying to use ( I was running Windows 98 till a year after they stopped supporting it). I'm on Window 7-64 bit now, yay!, but I wont be rushing out to get Windows 8 anytime soon. Same goes with the PS4, I'm not an early adopter so I'll probably wait until there are some good game bundles with the machine first.
 

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DigitalSushi said:
MiriaJiyuu said:
DigitalSushi said:
FYI, you PC people should be happy that there is more incentive for game developers to use all that fancy new DirectX 11 goodness
This right here is about the only reason I want the next gen of consoles to come out, I'm sick of games always running on DX9 when they've been able to use DX11 for years now.

Incidentally I actually hate people who insist on staying with XP for the same reason, no progress is made so long as it's better money to hold back.
I'll be honest I only ever change OS's whenever I buy a new PC, if my old laptop was still alive I'd still be running XP until it was annoying to use ( I was running Windows 98 till a year after they stopped supporting it). I'm on Window 7-64 bit now, yay!, but I wont be rushing out to get Windows 8 anytime soon. Same goes with the PS4, I'm not an early adopter so I'll probably wait until there are some good game bundles with the machine first.
Haha, no I'm not "upgrading" to Windows 8 anytime soon, used it, don't like it.

I'm more talking about the people who whined when Microsoft finally dropped support for Windows XP... 10 years after the OS release. That is a ridiculous amount of time for any company to support a product really. Or the ones who complain when a game won't run on XP because it uses DX11.

Yeah personally, I'll get a PS4 when I see a couple of exclusives I want on it, probably when Naughty Dog or Insomniac releases something, they're about the only reason I have a PS3.
 

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So powerful, it was no backwards compatibility.
It can't be both reasonably priced and have BC in it, i fail to see the confusion people have with this point

its BC its too expensive people complain

No BC and people complain

Cant have it both
 

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Waaghpowa said:
IronMit said:
& the 3rd highest rated comment on PC GAMER is accusing the article of skewing and bias and is $250 off...and that's not even including the blue ray drive.
Blu ray drives are 50 bucks these days. Even if it's a little off, it doesn't change the fact that
1. The price of those parts will drop by the time the PS4 actually gets released and better hardware will fill the same price point

2. IT STILL DOES EVERYTHING. At the end of the day, everyone still needs a conventional computer/laptop.

The average person will spend ~500 dollars on a PS4 not including the cost of games, accessories etc then most people will also have an overpriced PC/Laptop with tech specs that can't do much more than browse the internet. Some people spend upwards of 1000 dollars on computers that don't have comparable graphics cards. I've built incredible powerful computers for people that don't break the 600 dollar price point. Sure, you might be sacrificing a bit of graphical power for utility, but I was always under the impression that people who wanted consoles didn't care too much about graphics.

Now you can go blah blah blah preference all you want, but I'm not trying to change your preference. I'm simply saying that from a practical stand point, the cost and utility of a PC capable of playing video games is simply cost efficient.

I built my computer about 4 years ago, cost me about 1200 dollars CDN I've upgraded it once and it plays everything on ultra 1080x1920. I have 3 monitors, one of which is a large TV I use for netflix and other videos when I want to lie back and watch, and I even have an assortment of controllers to play various games with. There's nothing I can do with a PS3 that my PC can't do. Why go out and spend 500+ dollars on this PS4 when a tech comparable PC will do it all for a little more?
I'm not going to go 'blah blah blah preference'..it's not a competition. I just pointed out that on the pc gaming site (a site I actually like because they do good game reviews) that you quoted..one of the top rated comments is actually stating the cost of building a ps4 system is probably $850 today...and not $600. And that's not including the blue ray drive...it's not even added on to that new estimate so I don't know why you told me it's price.

Ok I'm by no means an expert, but don't you need to make a PC more powerful then a PS4? You know because it will never be as optimised..

copy paste of someone else's post(You can't optimize to PC hardware in the way they optimize to console hardware. The console optimization comes from targeting the exact same GPU, CPU, chipset, RAM, etcetera, improving the tools, and pushing the limits of that hardware set for years. On a PC, developers have to target a near limitless combination of constantly updating hardware.)

so that's over $900 (added blue ray)...lets say $1000 rig to be significantly more powerful. When the PS4 comes out..lets say that's dropped to $800 due to cheaper parts? The PS4 doesn't seem like a terrible price if its $500?

Yes I know we need a pc anyway...why not spend $300 more to make it an epic gaming rig. I agree.

I have never bought any accessories for my PS3..apart from one £10 madcatz controller for Fifa/fight night. Sony are decent like that..it's not xbox where the first systems have no wifi, no wireless, no battery pack..

I'm thinking about making a gaming pc myself..will probably wait till 6-12 months after these consoles release to see where gaming graphics are going and if it's worth it. I was going to make one last year but thought when the consoles get released recommended requirements for PC will go through the roof
 

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Shadow-Phoenix said:
*Sigh* I'm not even bothered about Sony's current trends in marketing but I again like always will be disappointed at how badly PC elitists will react to such trigger words and how they need to tout their superiority like some dick waving contest.

This is what every console thread looks like on the Escapist whenever PC elitsts decide to step in and dick wave because they realy have nothing better to do than spout the same fact crap all over again like a forceful Germany from the 1940's.
What in the blubberlubbing fucknuggets possessed you to write that? Just, REALLY? Godwin's Law?

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REALLY?
 

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IronMit said:
I may have misinterpreted your intention and I apologise. I mentioned the price of a blu ray drive because the cost is so low compared to what they were, the "No blu ray included" is an irrelevant point since they're so close to standard dvd drives.

There was a point in time where trying to make any hardware related arguments were met with "I prefer it, therefore you're wrong". It's kind of a reflex now.
 

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What in the blubberlubbing fucknuggets possessed you to write that? Just, REALLY? Godwin's Law?

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REALLY?
What possessed you to reply to this at all?.

I mean really what was the actual point other than literally trying to defeat what I said is actually happening?.
 

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The tears of PC users while the laugh at the specs and think no watter how good their rigs are, they'll never get most of the console exclusives their rigs are laughing at are overly delicious.

Don't get me wrong, I have a PC, I have a PS3, my PC costed me about 1800, since I'm from a foreign country that put more than 75% of taxes to imports, but in any case, I still find funny how the PC Master Elite race is pointing the finger at a console claiming its numbers are not impressive, and I agree, but this ludicrous show of "we are still better than you" is getting older, I want to see how many people who made the best possible rig back in early 2007 can play games from 2013 with the same computer like people did with a PS3.

How many PC users could play with the best of the best that 1999 could offer in 2012 like you could with a PS2.

Can't you love what you love without stepping over what other people loves?

Oh, by the way, I feel people got more dissapointed at the fact that they didn't show the console than the lack of Games announced for launch day.