Sony Wins Restraining Order Against Geohot
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Well because of all this security thing and just how Sony has handled it, I will never buy another Sony product.
Not because I am going to pirate anything but just because they are willing to put a man in jail over one of the most irritating laws created in history. How they have handled this has been atrocious as they could have hired this man and how they are contemplating using key codes.
I say no
I will not support a company that bullies other people for their security problems. Along with this, taking away the linux feature is really shitty.
People say Microsoft is greedy and they maybe right, but at least they haven't taken away significant features like Sony have.
Not because I am going to pirate anything but just because they are willing to put a man in jail over one of the most irritating laws created in history. How they have handled this has been atrocious as they could have hired this man and how they are contemplating using key codes.
I say no
I will not support a company that bullies other people for their security problems. Along with this, taking away the linux feature is really shitty.
People say Microsoft is greedy and they maybe right, but at least they haven't taken away significant features like Sony have.
He deserves what he gets. If he wanted to mod the PS3 for his own uses then I'm cool with that, it's no big deal, but when you release it to the public KNOWING it could and will be used for piracy then the "oh I just wanted the other OS back" defence becomes irrelevant.
Wait when did they take away the web browser?The Rockerfly said:
*turns on ps3 fires up web browser starts talking to console
me:did you know you are not supposed to have a web browser?
PS3:Really who would say that I am here and working fine.
me:Oh I guess it is just another case of the internet being wrong.
Sorry that is a little harsh the web browser is still intact and working like it always has. As for other OS yes it got taken away. I was not happy about it especially since I was doing some cell work on it. But I had 4 choices.
1. Stop doing my cell programming on it.
2. Stay with having linux and do not agree to the eula and not upgrade firmware and not be able to play games on PSN or possibly some of the new games.
3. Get another ps3 and have 1 running linux and one to play games on.
4. Update ps3 play games and load cell virtualization system on desktop computer and have both without spending the extra money.
I think sony is in the right although I do not agree with their way of going about it. If GeoHotz wanted to load a custom operating system on the ps3 and get rid of the sony OS I would say they probably would not have had such an issue with him. But he cracked the ps3 firmware through the other OS which is basically opening up their main proprietary system. Which if you remember happened before they removed otherOS. They allowed the other OS even though I am sure they knew that it could cause security issues (how could they not). Someone abused it and ruined it for the rest of us. I understand the urge to tinker and break things but why did he not stop at the other OS why did he continue to break the playstation firmware. I am sure they could have came up with a system that overwrote the firmware and just installed the other OS or you know just not accepted the new firmware and stuck with the old firmware that still has the other OS option and I am sure some more tinkering and they could have had full control of the graphic processor too giving the homebrew scene a linux kernel to run on. They basically gave an easy place for homebrew and then people abused it and runined it for the rest of us.
With that judge tip-toeing around jurisdiction issues, I would have to think Hotz has had plenty of time to disappear anything that makes him even remotely culpable to any civil suit made by Sony.
I have a feeling this is going to be a no-win for Sony.
What sucks is after all of this or even before it is done, Sony is going to get all whiny and pissy and then screw everyone over with something over the top draconian to brick every PS3.
PlayStation 3 owners, disconnect your cables now before Sony acts. You'll be lucky to play Zork or Hangman on a system.
I have a feeling this is going to be a no-win for Sony.
What sucks is after all of this or even before it is done, Sony is going to get all whiny and pissy and then screw everyone over with something over the top draconian to brick every PS3.
PlayStation 3 owners, disconnect your cables now before Sony acts. You'll be lucky to play Zork or Hangman on a system.
Plea bargains don't apply to civil cases. Settlements might happen but I doubt either Sony or Hotz are up for any sort of compromise.KEM10 said:
The thing I take issue with Geobot is releasing his jail-break to the public, then trying to wash his hands of any backlash by putting people on the honor system for not using it for purposes of piracy. That's like Razor1911 releasing cracks and expecting that 99% of the people downloading them are using the pirated games as demos and will eventually buy the full game.
As for jail-breaking the PS3, I'm totally ambivalent, as I'm a PC gamer to the core. I say if you want a completely open platform and don't have to deal with stuff like this, man up and get an affordable AMD quad-core and $150 mid-range GPU (you can get RAM for peanuts these days). We're almost past the age where computer hardware is restrictively expensive.
As for jail-breaking the PS3, I'm totally ambivalent, as I'm a PC gamer to the core. I say if you want a completely open platform and don't have to deal with stuff like this, man up and get an affordable AMD quad-core and $150 mid-range GPU (you can get RAM for peanuts these days). We're almost past the age where computer hardware is restrictively expensive.
Let's hope that Geo will learn that you can't just do whatever you want, consequences be damned, even if you remember to announce that you're certainly against any negative results your work may have.
Releasing it in the same way as research data is released? He could argue that he has released it as the result of research to be peer-reviewed although I doubt it will hold in court. A shame he wasn't employed by a university that specialise in digital research.Agiel7 said:
On one hand, I can understand Sony's concern, and it is valid. Lets face it, even the most "honest" of people will take advantage to get something for "free" if the opportunity lands in their lap. You make it available, and a crap load of people are going to steal like stealing is some sort of holy duty.
On the other hand, I'm about sick of these sorts of draconian methods that businesses employ, bringing down their full weight and power on a person with NO chance of fighting back, and winning court cases solely on the fact that they have more money to throw around.
Because from what I can understand, that is what it seems things came down to. The judge didn't sound like their ruling was exactly "unbiased." Rather they sounded like "well I can't really agree with this, but I'm going to side with Sony because they have better lawyers and I'll just make up something to help it sound good."
I personally believe however that whatever product I PURCHASE with MY money is MINE. IF I want to modify the PS3 to flush my toilet when I poop, that's my prerogative. In all honesty, they should be more concerned with fixing the issues they do have or investing in better quality developers. Faffing around with some anti-hero isn't going to increase sales. How about lowering your freaking prices? Uncharted 1 should NOT still be sitting at damn near $40 used.
Ever since its launch, I've had a parade of little issues with Sony starting to stack up, and I'm pretty much adding my voice to those who wont be buying Sony again until Sony decides that improving its product's QUALITY before worrying about some minority of looters whose detriment is hard to quantify let alone prove with any hard evidence in numbers. Maybe a game didn't sell because it sucked, not because people pirated it.
On the other hand, I'm about sick of these sorts of draconian methods that businesses employ, bringing down their full weight and power on a person with NO chance of fighting back, and winning court cases solely on the fact that they have more money to throw around.
Because from what I can understand, that is what it seems things came down to. The judge didn't sound like their ruling was exactly "unbiased." Rather they sounded like "well I can't really agree with this, but I'm going to side with Sony because they have better lawyers and I'll just make up something to help it sound good."
I personally believe however that whatever product I PURCHASE with MY money is MINE. IF I want to modify the PS3 to flush my toilet when I poop, that's my prerogative. In all honesty, they should be more concerned with fixing the issues they do have or investing in better quality developers. Faffing around with some anti-hero isn't going to increase sales. How about lowering your freaking prices? Uncharted 1 should NOT still be sitting at damn near $40 used.
Ever since its launch, I've had a parade of little issues with Sony starting to stack up, and I'm pretty much adding my voice to those who wont be buying Sony again until Sony decides that improving its product's QUALITY before worrying about some minority of looters whose detriment is hard to quantify let alone prove with any hard evidence in numbers. Maybe a game didn't sell because it sucked, not because people pirated it.
Part of my reasoning is that I fail to see what exactly there is to be gained from a jail-break like this; what is it that a PS3 does that's functionally superior to a computer, iPhone, Blackberry, or a particularly capable Internet-accessible phone? Apart from playing the games specifically developed for the PS3, natch.Xaryn Mar said:
The thing is that video game consoles are ostensibly a form of DRM metabolized into a form gamers at large accept over the truly draconian stuff on the PC like Ubisoft's DRM. You can make a much better case for the iPhone or an iPod Touch since they carry advantages over a desktop or even a full-on laptop/netbook. As for a video game console on the other hand, it's understandable that people are going to be much more cynical about what something like Geohot's hack means.
Consider that there's got to be a limit to what we do with something like game console, as ownership of data remains a fairly nebulous concept. For example, for all the virtues of free speech has, we draw the line at kiddie porn. And even if putting armed thugs in sweat shops and considering the workers as slaves makes total economic sense, even Milton Friedman wouldn't be 100% behind that.