Ok, so you Xbox user out there don't buy the game because it "rips off" GoW. Meanwhile, us PS3 and PC users will have a blast.
Space Marine "Rips Off" Gears of War
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As someone who has played the Space Marine demo, Gears of War and has played Warhammer 40K before the original Xbox was released, I will say that I felt that the Space Marine demo felt like a Gears of War clone... for about 10 minutes. At first, the controls, art style, the gameplay and such felt like a Gears of War clone. Then as time went on that feeling went away and it felt more like a hack and slash and I completely forgot that I had a gun until there were enemies that were out of melee range.
I definitely understand the feeling of similarity (big men wearing a car for armor using big guns and massive amounts of gore from a third person shooter perspective) and yes, I understand Warhammer has been around much longer, it has been said here more times than necessary.
I definitely understand the feeling of similarity (big men wearing a car for armor using big guns and massive amounts of gore from a third person shooter perspective) and yes, I understand Warhammer has been around much longer, it has been said here more times than necessary.
Wow, a game similar to another game, thats insanity!!
Oh wait, it's happened a thousand times before.
Really though, I'm a massive 40k fanboy but I can see the resemblance, though I played the demo on my laptop so it's not as obvious. Really the comparison is only drawn because of the control system, and a slight resemblance of how the characters look as when you look deeper and see what makes the characters who they are then the differences shine through.
Gameplay wise there's no cover in Space Marine and you don't regenerate health by hiding behind it, two integral parts of GoW. As for guns, well even a Space Marine can only carry so many.
So yes, there are similarities if only in that they are a similar genre, but there are differences too.
Oh wait, it's happened a thousand times before.
Really though, I'm a massive 40k fanboy but I can see the resemblance, though I played the demo on my laptop so it's not as obvious. Really the comparison is only drawn because of the control system, and a slight resemblance of how the characters look as when you look deeper and see what makes the characters who they are then the differences shine through.
Gameplay wise there's no cover in Space Marine and you don't regenerate health by hiding behind it, two integral parts of GoW. As for guns, well even a Space Marine can only carry so many.
So yes, there are similarities if only in that they are a similar genre, but there are differences too.
I hate anyone who says Space Marine is a Gears clone.
More to the point if its a "clone" then it would have more similar gameplay set up.
Here are the similarities between Gears and SM, There are Chainsaws, its 3rd person, you use the D-pad to change weapons, you shoot aliens. Thats it.
If anything it should be Space Marine is a clone of Gears but it does it WAAAAAAY better.
I have Gears 1 and 2, I have played the SM demo more then I have played both Gears together, you know why? because its FUN.
Allow me to explain what SM has done better than Gears;
1. The heros are actually believable in the sense of what your doing, Space Marines are 8 foot monsters that are the pinical of Mankind, genetically altered to be the ultimate killing machine of the entire freaking galaxy, one Marine can stand against a thousand Orks, that is the basic lore, in Gears you play a regular guy in a cars worth of armour- I cannot believe he can take on an army by himself or with his 'bro' because they are just human.
2. Cover based combat is for the WEAK, you are a Space Marine good sir! your job is to run at those guys and kill them quickly and ignore any bullets you shoot at you, not have a mindless firefight for 10 minutes in which the Locust ALWAYS get reinforcements, increasing the length of the boring firefight.
3. Melee is actually a viable combat method, your Chainsword is your main weapon and you are rewarded for using it in all its glee and blood, the Chainsaw bayonet in Gears is quite cool but is really just a gimmick, I know aboslutely no one that bothers using the Chainsaw online because it is freaking useless unless your enemy drops to his knees- throws his weapon aside- and yells "I can't live on! Please kill me with all your generic rage!"
4. Regenerating health is for the weak, even Space Marine cannot heal cannonballs to the chest by sucking their thumbs, thus Health bars gives you a feeling of caution and forces you not to act stupid. Meanwhile in retard brigade stand behind a magical chest high wall and your limbs and blood will regenerate no matter how bad your wounds are, apparently in Gears humans are all Wolverine.
5. The Characters are likeable, unlike Gears Marcus Pheonix (THATS HOW ITS SPELT EPIC GAMES) Captain Titus of the Ultramarines doesn't swear like its going out of fashion and never, ever, broods like some teenaged fuckwit, while this may be seen as 'Emotionless' that is the entire point, Marine are trained to control their emotions and such never act like a dutchbag, something Marcus has to figure out and grow some testicles over.
More to the point if its a "clone" then it would have more similar gameplay set up.
Here are the similarities between Gears and SM, There are Chainsaws, its 3rd person, you use the D-pad to change weapons, you shoot aliens. Thats it.
If anything it should be Space Marine is a clone of Gears but it does it WAAAAAAY better.
I have Gears 1 and 2, I have played the SM demo more then I have played both Gears together, you know why? because its FUN.
Allow me to explain what SM has done better than Gears;
1. The heros are actually believable in the sense of what your doing, Space Marines are 8 foot monsters that are the pinical of Mankind, genetically altered to be the ultimate killing machine of the entire freaking galaxy, one Marine can stand against a thousand Orks, that is the basic lore, in Gears you play a regular guy in a cars worth of armour- I cannot believe he can take on an army by himself or with his 'bro' because they are just human.
2. Cover based combat is for the WEAK, you are a Space Marine good sir! your job is to run at those guys and kill them quickly and ignore any bullets you shoot at you, not have a mindless firefight for 10 minutes in which the Locust ALWAYS get reinforcements, increasing the length of the boring firefight.
3. Melee is actually a viable combat method, your Chainsword is your main weapon and you are rewarded for using it in all its glee and blood, the Chainsaw bayonet in Gears is quite cool but is really just a gimmick, I know aboslutely no one that bothers using the Chainsaw online because it is freaking useless unless your enemy drops to his knees- throws his weapon aside- and yells "I can't live on! Please kill me with all your generic rage!"
4. Regenerating health is for the weak, even Space Marine cannot heal cannonballs to the chest by sucking their thumbs, thus Health bars gives you a feeling of caution and forces you not to act stupid. Meanwhile in retard brigade stand behind a magical chest high wall and your limbs and blood will regenerate no matter how bad your wounds are, apparently in Gears humans are all Wolverine.
5. The Characters are likeable, unlike Gears Marcus Pheonix (THATS HOW ITS SPELT EPIC GAMES) Captain Titus of the Ultramarines doesn't swear like its going out of fashion and never, ever, broods like some teenaged fuckwit, while this may be seen as 'Emotionless' that is the entire point, Marine are trained to control their emotions and such never act like a dutchbag, something Marcus has to figure out and grow some testicles over.
Bahahahahahahaha!!ChaosReaver said:
Seriously though, they were, its just people stopped about fifteen-twenty years ago when they realised it was becoming a genre of its own.
Wow. You ruined your point by being aggresive.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
OT: I like both franchises. Trouble is, here it seems to be fanboys fighting. My main problem is this: Space Marine doesn't look as much fun as Gears of War... It just doesn't. it's a huge shame, because I love playing Warhammer...
I played the demo at my mates house lastnight and while i can't say it doesn't look a lot like Gears of War it plays completely differently. I was suprised that a board game that mostly revolves around shooting would be turned into a computer game that revolves more around melee but i did actually like it. And thank fuck it doesn't have the cover lock bullshit that most games have nowadays or the braindead full health back for hiding behind a toilet for 5 seconds.
7/10 seems quite fair but i haven't played the full game yet.
7/10 seems just as fair for both the previous gears of war games aswell.
7/10 seems quite fair but i haven't played the full game yet.
7/10 seems just as fair for both the previous gears of war games aswell.
I don't give a fuck about reviews. IMO, this is one of the best games I've ever played.
Don't like my opinion? Sue me.
Don't like my opinion? Sue me.
Having read the review in question, it is... poorly worded to say the least. The argument is unclear as if the 'Gears Clone' bit is about setting/visuals (where it would be wrong) or about gameplay (again wrong, but similar only on face value to someone glancing at the game). It has some points that are valid (the game didn't go far enough to reach the sheer level of crazy that is 40k), but some other, more... xbox-ey claims are misplaced.
Another note: How does multiplayer have 'massive class imbalances'? Did he try changing tactics at all? Shoot the flying ones, flank the ones with the BFG and blast or slash the other ones. The game allows you to steal and use your killer's class, even if they have stuff you haven't unlocked yet. This is far more balancing for newbies than most other games. Any potentially OP class would get cycled through the teams until most are running it. How is this imbalanced again? Once you learn how to take down the Assault class effectively, it really isn't much of a problem. (HINT: It's called a Meltagun)
In short: small throwaway lines like the two above do nothing to support your claim unless you explain them, otherwise they are flame-bait, which this is. Is Space Marine good? I enjoyed it, but I'm a huge 40k fan. Was it teh best gaem evar? No, but it is fun to blow Orks into tiny pieces and look at the totally mangled bodies lying around. Take a look at some gameplay, if it interests you, rent it, try it out and find out for yourself.
Oh, for those of you wondering why a 7/10 is bad? Watch this:
The review bit is satirical, but only just.
Another note: How does multiplayer have 'massive class imbalances'? Did he try changing tactics at all? Shoot the flying ones, flank the ones with the BFG and blast or slash the other ones. The game allows you to steal and use your killer's class, even if they have stuff you haven't unlocked yet. This is far more balancing for newbies than most other games. Any potentially OP class would get cycled through the teams until most are running it. How is this imbalanced again? Once you learn how to take down the Assault class effectively, it really isn't much of a problem. (HINT: It's called a Meltagun)
In short: small throwaway lines like the two above do nothing to support your claim unless you explain them, otherwise they are flame-bait, which this is. Is Space Marine good? I enjoyed it, but I'm a huge 40k fan. Was it teh best gaem evar? No, but it is fun to blow Orks into tiny pieces and look at the totally mangled bodies lying around. Take a look at some gameplay, if it interests you, rent it, try it out and find out for yourself.
Oh, for those of you wondering why a 7/10 is bad? Watch this:
The review bit is satirical, but only just.
Having played both Gow's and a brief bit of the Space Marine demo I can see where you're coming from. They have their similarities but I would argue that they differ in the fine details. Space Marine has a more fleshed out close combat and the whole jet-pack scenario whereas Gears is more shooty with a couple of vehicle sections and a handful of simple "smack your foe with your gun" close quarters attacks. Space Marine also doesn't have cover, the "look down your gun to shoot more accurately" over the shoulder shenanigans or the same re-generating health thingy.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
I see where you're coming from but I think the only similarities are really due to the fact that the games are of the same category (third-person combat) and that similar controls were mapped on a controller.
space marine : ultra kickass power aroured space marines beat 7 kinds of snot out of orks, demons and evil traitors with naught but their trusty chainsword. unless they are former fps players in which case there are guns you can use if you are not that manly 
gears of war: fat wall-human hybrids we are informed are space marines hide behind walls pop steroids and shoot at gray wall-human hyrids made 90% of blood who look worryingly similar to the former with their bolter rip offs and also being the biggest waste of money i evr pulled out the local bargin bin.
space marine is a hack and slash with guns that work and a very complimentary health system. giving it the covincing disguies of a 3rd person shooter
gears is a clunky cover based combat 3rd person shooter, with a weak health system and personally i thought was absoulute arse.
summary: buy space marine, put any gears of war games in a microwave, more fun than playing them.
that is my comparison of space marine and gears and it has just as much bias as OXM.
gears of war: fat wall-human hybrids we are informed are space marines hide behind walls pop steroids and shoot at gray wall-human hyrids made 90% of blood who look worryingly similar to the former with their bolter rip offs and also being the biggest waste of money i evr pulled out the local bargin bin.
space marine is a hack and slash with guns that work and a very complimentary health system. giving it the covincing disguies of a 3rd person shooter
gears is a clunky cover based combat 3rd person shooter, with a weak health system and personally i thought was absoulute arse.
summary: buy space marine, put any gears of war games in a microwave, more fun than playing them.
that is my comparison of space marine and gears and it has just as much bias as OXM.
Well, no, its not a valid point because its untrue, anyone who says Space Marine is a Gears clone clearly hasen't played the demo because it is melee focused and the SM aren't giant pussys like the COG.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Gears is ranged combat focused, cover based, American Marine Corps level of patriotism and guns hanging from their self-loving enduced erections like some 12 year old- which for some reason regenerates their health.
SM is melee combat majority with shooting if you feeling a little under the weather, cover-is-for-the-weak based, British gentlemen level of dignity and act like responsable human beings (like we all should), and say "Regen health? don't be stupid".
The only things similar to Gears is 3rd person, D-pad weapon changing and the fact you fight aliens, that reviewer is probably talking out of his arse.
Bottem line is, you don't have to play SM if you feel insecure, want to hate on the 40k guys and want to continue playing Gears for some reason.
Me and the 40k Fanboys will be flying around with a Jetpacks, full autobatic rifles with the properties of Rocket Launchers and Two-handed Warhammers that Thor would be envious over. and it will be Awesome. ^^
Hmmmm... *Thinks for a long time and scratches his beard* Well...Soviet Heavy said:
I have never played Gears of War, and yet I can see the similarities of the two games, even when we are talking aesthetics wise. In fact, most of the games nowadays have similair gameplay (cover shooter, multiplayer tps) and aesthetics (Tons of dirt and dust all over), but most of them have something that makes them stand out (Unless we are talking MoH and CoD, these ARE clones). Gears of War? The Chainguns and armor that doesnt cover shoulders/arms. Mass Effect? A Really Deep story involving a lot of choices and roleplaying.
Space Marine? The fact that its based on the 40K universe, and it allows 40k fans like us experience the universe more 'actively' as well as interest new people into the genre.
So yeah. Don't look for similarities but differences rather.
I have a seperate reason for not buying the game, it has to do with the main protagonist. I don't like Ultramarines, and I am a straight Chaos Player.
Death to the false Emperor.
But, I have Spess Mahreen. I like it. But, I have it for the...Xbox.Versuvius said:
On topic, I am enjoying Space Marine, but my one little nit-pick is cover. I think a cover system similar to that of Gears of War would improve the gameplay experience that much more. Even if they just included a button to crouch, that would be great. The reason this comes to my mind so much while I'm playing is because the game world seems to me to be designed for a cover system that is not present. The maps are littered with chest-high walls, crates, and barricades that would provide excellent cover if you could avoid enemy fire. This way, the game would be more accessable to a variety of play-styles. The third-person view lends itself well to a hack'n'slash, assault orriented player. But, some people want to take advantage of the crazy firearms as well. The problem is that it is difficult to effectively maneuver your marine into cover with the third-person controls. This would be solved by being able to press a button to have your marine take cover behind that crate in front of him.
Oh yeah... i must've missed that bit.PrototypeC said:
Humble pie at least tastes nice. Unlike that horrible pride stuff.
My point still stands though, they DID review it in a pretty fair way. Also, it DID only say "at its simplest". Which isn't that far off the mark, is it?
The developers actually consciously chose to remove a cover option because they wanted to force players to get into the nitty-gritty of battle. This is the key reason why I think this game ISN'T a gears clone. Sure, all the other elements may be present, but a game set in the WH40k universe where you play as a space marine frankly isn't going to be anything else. You're not a rag-tag bunch of ex-cons in standard armor with flashy bits on it, you're the futuristic equivalent of a badass knight in shining armor, and you belong on the front lines weathering heavy assault and tearing apart everything around you in epic fashion. This is why they made melee-centric enemies a HUGE part of the game, what with all the Orks that run at you screaming while carrying axes over their heads. You can't just hunker down behind a chest-high wall, you have to literally charge in and kick some xenos ass!
I will admit, though, that at times when you're in firefights, especially in the later game, cover and grenades start to become more necessary, though it's less a sign of weakening gameplay and more of the fact that as the game gets harder you have to start being more tactical, especially with weapon choices and the interestingly designed health mechanic. Do you rush in and start executing easily killed enemies and hope you can weather the assault from heavier troops, or do you hide behind a pillar and lob grenades and exchange bolter fire? The great thing was I could potentially do both.
Lets see Marcus Fenix run in and start swinging his gun around at the Locust like Captain Titus. Oh that's right, he can't because Gears doesn't have an actual melee mode, or even real melee weapons.
I will admit, though, that at times when you're in firefights, especially in the later game, cover and grenades start to become more necessary, though it's less a sign of weakening gameplay and more of the fact that as the game gets harder you have to start being more tactical, especially with weapon choices and the interestingly designed health mechanic. Do you rush in and start executing easily killed enemies and hope you can weather the assault from heavier troops, or do you hide behind a pillar and lob grenades and exchange bolter fire? The great thing was I could potentially do both.
Lets see Marcus Fenix run in and start swinging his gun around at the Locust like Captain Titus. Oh that's right, he can't because Gears doesn't have an actual melee mode, or even real melee weapons.
Ah, you made a mistake you see. That is the 1-10 scale people who are reasonable and sane use. You seem to have forgotten that the internet is a funny place, where things are sort of backwards. Allow me to show you what the internet's 1-10 scale looks like:Captain Placeholder said:
1 - shit
2 - shit
3 - shit
4 - shit
5 - shit
6 - shit
7 - shit
8 - kind of not shit
9 - mediocre
10 - good