Space Marine "Rips Off" Gears of War

[Mike Laserbeam]

I was about to call this some of the oldest news I've ever heard, but it's a different review from last time this happened.

 

[Vankraken]

Rips off gears? Space Marines do not need cover. Cover is for xenos and lesser humans. Honestly the game seems more like a 3rd person shooter god of war as you need to do executions and mass murder enemies to recover health. Gears is kinda the opposite as blitzing your way through enemies will get you killed super fast. I guess MGS4 is a gears rip off because you regen health and can use cover plus the game is in 3rd person perspective.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

U mad bro?

Seriously though, the reviewer gave it a 7/10 and all his points were more than valid. Could you point me to the place where he said, literally, that its a "gears ripoff"? Maybe im missing it. Because all I can find is this:

At its simplest, Space Marine is a Gears clone with a hair-raising health system which sees you healing by performing execution kills. Given how flagrantly Relic apes the Epic juggernaut elsewhere - weapons are swapped via the same D-pad system - being unable to stick to cover feels unnatural at first, but you soon acclimatise. New cannons and a Fury mode unlock at half-hourly intervals as you progress through corridors and arenas, nabbing Servo Skulls (Warhammer's audio diary of choice) to flesh out the plot's few secrets.

Which is... Well... PERFECTLY VALID AND COMPLETELY FUCKING RIGHT.

TL;DR: Stop whining, write your own review if you disagree, dont write off a reviewer just because he doesnt like a game you do, or rather, just because he doesnt like it as much.

Fucking hell, he gave it a 7/10 for fucks sake. If you seriously think that Space Marine deserves more than that... Jesus.

You don't think that the review complaining about a controls setup isn't being even a little petty?

Not at all, controls are one of the MOST important parts of a game. The controls are how to interact with the game, and if the controls limit your interaction by being awkward then that's bad because it limits immersion.

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

I didnt even bother reading most of your post, because you seemed to assume that someone stated Space Marine is identical to Gears.

Protip: no one said that. I didnt say it. The reviewer didnt say it. Some dumb fuck in the thread somewhere may have said it, but I doubt it.

Saying a game is similar=/=saying a game is identical to another. Learning how to read would to a lot of people in this thread a lot of good, although you seem to have mastered the art already, your just too lazy.

The review specifically says the game is a "Gears of War clone". Last time I checked a clone is an identical copy of an original. Now obviously that isn't what it's usually used to describe in situations like this, but it isn't far removed. When someone calls a game a clone of another, they usually mean that the game features larges amounts of properties of the other game. So while the game reviewer didn't mean that SM is identical to GoW, he did mean to say that it borrowed alot of the core gameplay of GoW. Which has been disproved multiple times in this thread.

So yeah, watch which kettles you call black Mr. Pot.

 

[w9496]

Well the gameplay is nothing like Gears Of War (NO COVER for starters), so obviously the reviewer is ripping on the art design, which is unfair, since 40K DID come first.

Don't worry, people in gears don't even use cover to sheild them any more. They just use it to wallbounce and close the distance now.

OT: They can both co-exist. It doesn't matter who ripped off what anyhow.

 

[CaptainChelt]

Respect your elders, is all I have to say to OXM

 

[Sir Shockwave]

Of course, given that the review is from Official Xbox Magazine, the bias would be apparent.
http://www.oxm.co.uk/33345/reviews/warhammer-40000-space-marine-review/

*RAGE MODE ACTIVATED*

Did Not Do The Research. Games Workshop's Space Marines predate Master Chef, the COG's, the Terran Marines and all the other generic Power Armored Chaps you see running around today. In a sense, Games Workshop INVENTED the modern Power Armored Space Marine. If GW's Marines are ripping off anything, I think the Descendants of Robert A. Heinlein would like a word.

Seriously, fuck the fanboys who think GW copycats the above examples. The GW Marines are the only one's to get it right (in that they can use Master Chef, Marcus Fenix and Jim Raynor as a floor mop all at the same time), and predate them by between ten to twenty years. In the words of Angry Joe -

"Respect your Elders, son - or pay the price."

*RAGE MODE DEACTIVATED*

 

[Waaghpowa]

Of course, given that the review is from Official Xbox Magazine, the bias would be apparent.
http://www.oxm.co.uk/33345/reviews/warhammer-40000-space-marine-review/

I get that people are allowed to dislike games for their own reasons, but there is a difference between that and making every comparison in your review to an exclusive title for your respective console.

Yeah, I'm bitching, but it is bullshit reviews like this that barely account for anything the game offers in favor of trashing it in comparison to your latest cash cow that is hurting the way games are judged. Space Marine is supposed to be the anti Gears of War, yet that is all OXM can be bothered to talk about.

There was another thread discussing a particular "Journalist" who claimed that Space Marine was ripping off Gears of War waaaaaay back before it was released.

http://venturebeat.com/2011/05/25/how-many-ways-can-thqs-space-marine-game-rip-off-gears-of-war/

Needless to say, he was torn apart.

 

[Waaghpowa]

Of course, given that the review is from Official Xbox Magazine, the bias would be apparent.
http://www.oxm.co.uk/33345/reviews/warhammer-40000-space-marine-review/

*RAGE MODE ACTIVATED*

Did Not Do The Research. Games Workshop's Space Marines predate Master Chef, the COG's, the Terran Marines and all the other generic Power Armored Chaps you see running around today. In a sense, Games Workshop INVENTED the modern Power Armored Space Marine. If GW's Marines are ripping off anything, I think the Descendants of Robert A. Heinlein would like a word.

Seriously, fuck the fanboys who think GW copycats the above examples. The GW Marines are the only one's to get it right (in that they can use Master Chef, Marcus Fenix and Jim Raynor as a floor mop all at the same time), and predate them by between ten to twenty years. In the words of Angry Joe -

"Respect your Elders, son - or pay the price."

*RAGE MODE DEACTIVATED*

Refer to the article linked in my above post. Same situation, didn't do his research, and everyone chewed hip up and spat him out in the comments. His edit/response was longer than the article.

 

[Judgement101]

I'm going to find the writer and beat him/her to death with a set of the Fourth Edition Warhammer 40k.

 

[emeraldrafael]

... meh?

Im not going to lie, id idnt pick up either game, but I have friends on both sides of teh spectrum (ones a gears fan, the other a Warhammer fan), and of course firends that mix the two together, but the two on opposite sides said that the review was fair. reading over it, i dont see the flame starting issue really. It basically was CoD getting called a Halo Clone (or vice versa), and even then it said that at its simplest. Plus the positives seem to be rather nice positives that someone could easily say is a negative if they were really out to ruin the game.

 

[Sir Shockwave]

Refer to the article linked in my above post. Same situation, didn't do his research, and everyone chewed hip up and spat him out in the comments. His edit/response was longer than the article.

Seriously?

Damn son O.O

EDIT - it's confirmed. This guy is a jackass. I should have his job, once Commissar Fucklaw is done with him that is.

 

[darksakul]

Space marines are nothing new, before Gears of War or War hammer 40k, there was Star Craft, and before that Quake and Doom. Hell some of the old Star Trek books mention "Space" marines.

Space Marines are a part of Science Fiction the way Elves, Orcs, Wizards and Swordsmen are apart of Fantasy. I don't see Wizards of the Coast calming Legend of Zelda Ripped off the Original Dungeons and Dragons.

 

[neonsword13-ops]

There is no cover. Therfore, not a Gears Clone. His argument is invalid.

Plus, space marines. Hasn't that been done before Gears?

 

[Sir Shockwave]

Space marines are nothing new, before Gears of War or War hammer 40k, there was Star Craft, and before that Quake and Doom.

As mentioned above in my post, Starcraft came out 1998. Hell, Starcraft originally started out as a WH40K game Blizz wanted to make for GW, but they refused (because we know GW have a team of top rate geniuses responsible for every smart decision - like restricting shipping outside of the EU, hiring Matt Ward and Citadel Finecast).

However, the original GW Marines go back to the 80's (at least 1987 if Wikiped is to be belived). As mentioned, Starcraft was released in 1998 - the 31st of March 1998 to be specific. Hence, the GW Marines predate Jim Raynor and Friends by at least NINE YEARS.

 

[Waaghpowa]

Space marines are nothing new, before Gears of War or War hammer 40k, there was Star Craft, and before that Quake and Doom. Hell some of the old Star Trek books mention "Space" marines.

Space Marines are a part of Science Fiction the way Elves, Orcs, Wizards and Swordsmen are apart of Fantasy. I don't see Wizards of the Coast calming Legend of Zelda Ripped off the Original Dungeons and Dragons.

Actually, Warhammer 40k is from 1987. Starship Troopers is a novel from 1959, so you could say that Warhammer borrowed from that, but to say that anything after Warhammer is "Ripping it off" is just ignorance.

So according to your list, it should go Warhammer 40k (1987), Doom (1993), Quake (1996), Starcraft (1998) then Gears of War (2006)

 

[Venats]

Space marines are nothing new, before Gears of War or War hammer 40k, there was Star Craft, and before that Quake and Doom. Hell some of the old Star Trek books mention "Space" marines.

Space Marines are a part of Science Fiction the way Elves, Orcs, Wizards and Swordsmen are apart of Fantasy. I don't see Wizards of the Coast calming Legend of Zelda Ripped off the Original Dungeons and Dragons.

You seem to think that Blizzard didn't rip off the story/ideas for both Warcraft and Starcraft from GW. A little history lesson, a long time ago the two companies had agreed to work together to create said games... but that didn't work out. (Who broke up with who for what reason is debatable, though Blizzard most certainly ran away with much of the Warhammer lore.)

If you ever bother to read the backstory of Warhammer and the stories of Warhammer 40k, you'll notice that Warcraft was originally a clear lore rip from Warhammer, similarly for a lot of the Starcraft story but with some things changed from Eredar to Protoss, and the such.

GW invented, for lack of a better word, the modern Space Marine persona, just as Tolkein invented the modern persona of Elves. Their ideas are taken from past creations, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that what you see in modern days is a direct copy of their work.

 

[EarndilTheEqualizer]

two words, Motorized, Chainsaws
Warhammer was here first
'Nuff sed

 

[Ninjasander]

Space marines are nothing new, before Gears of War or War hammer 40k, there was Star Craft, and before that Quake and Doom. Hell some of the old Star Trek books mention "Space" marines.

Space Marines are a part of Science Fiction the way Elves, Orcs, Wizards and Swordsmen are apart of Fantasy. I don't see Wizards of the Coast calming Legend of Zelda Ripped off the Original Dungeons and Dragons.

Warhammer 40k predates StarCraft, Quake and Doom. StarCraft was actually inspired by the WH40K universe.

And if you think the WH Space Marines are just some marines in space, then I suggest you start reading som WH40k lore.

Although, I do believe the origin of space marines should be credited to "Starship Troopers".

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

U mad bro?

Seriously though, the reviewer gave it a 7/10 and all his points were more than valid. Could you point me to the place where he said, literally, that its a "gears ripoff"? Maybe im missing it. Because all I can find is this:

At its simplest, Space Marine is a Gears clone with a hair-raising health system which sees you healing by performing execution kills. Given how flagrantly Relic apes the Epic juggernaut elsewhere - weapons are swapped via the same D-pad system - being unable to stick to cover feels unnatural at first, but you soon acclimatise. New cannons and a Fury mode unlock at half-hourly intervals as you progress through corridors and arenas, nabbing Servo Skulls (Warhammer's audio diary of choice) to flesh out the plot's few secrets.

Which is... Well... PERFECTLY VALID AND COMPLETELY FUCKING RIGHT.

TL;DR: Stop whining, write your own review if you disagree, dont write off a reviewer just because he doesnt like a game you do, or rather, just because he doesnt like it as much.

Fucking hell, he gave it a 7/10 for fucks sake. If you seriously think that Space Marine deserves more than that... Jesus.

Chill out.

I seriously have to laugh at that point of 'being unable to stick to cover feels unnatural'. Of course it would when you're unable to grasp something that has gameplay that's actually different to fucking Gears of War. I agree with you, don't get me wrong. They do make valid points, but it's kinda stupid that they imply the game rips off GoW, then show that they don't feel right being able to snap to cover. In that sense, it's like they want it to be more like Gears.