Space Marine women?

[Ultrajoe]

Oh, and one other aside. Another sign my side's on the up, there are human Tau. Justsayin. : 3

Hey, i play Nids. My race is eating it's way through your race. One fleet of my race is eating your race. I'm the ultimate equality deal, you're all just protein.

 

[Podunk]

The humans the Tau used aren't exactly treated very nicely.

At least they get taken care of, allowed to live and work after trying to kill Tau soldiers and changing sides only because they got left behind by their cruel, uncaring fellow man. But I'm not an expert on them, per se. Unarmored jerks with pistols aren't really worth the points to me.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

Space Marine women are a biological impossibility as the multitude of space marine biological implants depend heavily on testosterone to function.

It won't happen. Ever. No. Drop it, it's a stupid idea. The Sisters of Battle are close enough.

As for what Space Marines do with their free time, there was a Games Workshop article that gave a blow by blow of their day to day life.

0400 Morning Prayer
Day is begun with morning prayer and contemplation within the Company Chapel, led by the Company Chaplain. The Company standard and relics are displayed and the brethren repeat their oaths of loyalty to the Chapter and the Emperor. At this juncture the Captain may choose to address the brethren, issue orders, make any appropriate announcements (such as awards and promotions) and dispense summary punishments as deemed necessary.

0500 Morning Firing Rites
After prayer is complete the brethren undertake the first firing rites of the day. A variety of weaponry is used but the emphasis is placed on practice with the Space Marine's personal weaponry. Awards are made for consistently good marksmanship and punishments are inflicted for poor weapon discipline and accuracy. The firing rites may be undertaken in the ranges located in the armoury or outside the fortress.

0700 Battle Practice
The first battle practice of the day is generally geared towards hand-to-hand combat and close quarter fighting. The exact procedures followed vary immensely but often include numerous live-firing exercises and simulated battle conditions in a number of lethal or non-lethal environments. For this reason (and for reasons of defence) most of the Space Marine fortress monasteries are often situated in extremely inhospitable areas be they arctic, volcanic, corrosive, swamp, carnivorous jungle or a combination thereof.

1200 Midday Prayer
The brethren are gathered once more to give praise to the Emperor and their Primarch. During extended battle practice such prayer may be undertaken in the field, potentially while live-firing exercises continue. At this time any brethren severely injured in the morning battle practice are transported to the Apothacarion.

1300 Midday Meal
The Space Marines partake of their first sustenance of the day at this juncture. Frequently this will be a substance inedible to ordinary humans or a local lifeform which is hunted and slain during the morning battle practice.

1315 Tactical Indoctrination
Hypnotherapy and psychoconditioning are used to rapidly assimilate the Chapter tactical doctrines on a number of subjects. New battle languages are learned, alien weaponry, troops and vehicles are studied. Squad and company tactics are reviewed and lessons learned from the morning battle practice are examined.

1500 Battle Practice
Afternoon battle practice usually revolves around squad and company level tactics and reinforcement of the tactical indoctrination segment. Specialist squads such as devastators and assault troops will often use this opportunity to hone their particular skills while the tactical brethren practice close support with Dreadnoughts, armour and personnel carriers.

2000 Evening prayer
Evening prayer is viewed as a time for contemplation and giving thanks for the day's lessons learned. Once more praise is rendered to the Emperor and the Chapter's Primarch for the inception and existence of the Chapter. Gene-seed sampling may be undertaken at this time as it has by now been stimulated by the day's activities.

2100 Evening Meal
The evening meal is a more sedate affair than that at midday, with a substantial repast provided by the Chapter's serfs under the watchful eye of the Lord of the Household. Substantial quantities of protein rich food are made available, particularly to the younger brethren. Indulgent Chapter Masters may even permit the brethren to partake of alcoholic beverages at this time if the day's activities have been expertly done.

2130 Night Fighting Exercises
Chapters based on worlds where there is no perceptible night segment, or on ships in the void use this opportunity to practice combat underwater, in zero gravity, through dense fog or smoke or in other exotic conditions.

2315 Maintenance Rituals
Each Space Marine is expected to maintain and repair his own armour and weaponry according to standard rituals. Seriously damaged or defective gear is surrendered to the Master of the Forge for inspection and repair. Every effort is made to ensure that a Space Marine keeps the same set of equipment after their investiture so that they develop a close bond and understanding of the machine spirits they will rely on in battle.

2345 Free Time
Some Chapter Masters view this period of free time as an unwarranted luxury at best and a dangerous distraction at worst. It is maintained in most Chapters out of reverence for the Codex Astartes and Roboute Guilliman's words. "Consider (the) magnitude of your duty at your leisure, but act without hesitation when (action) is required." In honour of this Space Marines are permitted a short period of leisure each day to consider the magnitude of their duty to the Emperor.

0000 Rest Period Begins
Space Marines do not truly need sleep thanks to the Catalepscan Node -- an implant in their brain that enables them to rest half of their brain at a time whilst still maintaining awareness with the other half. However extended interference with the circadian rhythms of sleep has been shown to impair efficiency and induce personality disorders. To prevent this Space Marines enter a dreamless fugue state for four hours per day when not on campaign. The longest recorded incident of a Space Marine unit going without sleep was during the Ryan's World incident (Ref. 061.24/A) when the Crimson Fists remnants led by master Kantor remained operational for a period of 328.7 standard hours.

Complied from information supplied by the Black Consuls, Salamanders, Fleshtearers, Ultramarines and Silver Skulls Chapters. Additional notes are culled from the Codex Astartes (M38.transcription) and personal commentary by Captain Alhaus of the Black Templars.

Notes:

Many Chapter Masters and Company Captains favour changing times and details of the daily ritual to keep their brethren alert and able to quickly assimilate new orders or situations. Interruption of the rest period is frequent and the elimination of meals and the shortening of prayer times commonplace.

All Chapters have high days or feast days which usually celebrate the ascendance of the Emperor to the Golden Throne and the birth and death of their own Primarch (the actual dates observed for these practices vary immensely). On such special days all members of the Chapter who are present at the fortress will gather in the Assimularum for prayers led by the Chapter Master followed by a day long celebration which traditionally includes contests of skill and strength. This is also the traditional time for the acceptance of Neophytes, the elevation of Neophytes to Initiates, and the elevation of Initiates to Full Brethren. When there are worthy candidates, brethren may also be accepted into the Veteran company on a feast day. In all cases trials by ordeal are common, and in some cases fatal.

Typically brethren with special skills are permitted to work in the forges or the Apothacarion between the evening meal and rest period at the discretion of the Company Captain. There they are taught by the Techmarines or Apothecaries in their arcane crafts. Exceptional artisans and chirurgeons will be elevated to apprentice Techmarines or Apothecaries after a suitable period spent in vigil within the Solitorium.

The honour of guarding the Chapter Fortress is generally rotated between the 1st through 5th Companies according to which are present at the time. The 6th through 9th (reserve) companies train more regularly as they bear the majority of the Chapters most recently inducted brethren.

Brethren undertake penitence and purgation if they fail in their duties. This is usually self-imposed as a mark of dedication to the Emperor. Gross breaches of Chapter law may be met with death or exile of permanent or temporary nature (temporary exile is usually linked to the achievement of a specified goal).

 

[Podunk]

Oh, and one other aside. Another sign my side's on the up, there are human Tau. Justsayin. : 3

Hey, i play Nids. My race is eating it's way through your race. One fleet of my race is eating your race. I'm the ultimate equality deal, you're all just protein.

Oh, now Tyranids are fun! They actually give me a run for my money, due to their completely opposite playing style. Now that's a fun game of 40k.
I don't know what the canon is, per se, but I know that every time I come up against the 'Nids I end up winning... I have a hard time seeing the Tau go down to them, assuming their forces include a judicial application of Kroot.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

No, it's based on misogyny. As is the reasons behind why there are only male space marines. It's supported and defended by the lore, but that lore only exists because Games Workshop thought female space marines weren't as badass.

I'm afraid it's not. The XY gender has a greater fight/flight reaction, musculature around vital areas, less internal vital organs, shorter life span, better spatial awareness, greater average size, no downtime in race production; so is built for frontline troops. It's hampered by it's need to protect the XX gender, so it's mind is more focussed when not exposed to the XX pheromone.

The XX gene though is more resilient, lighter, greater at multi-tasking, faster ability to learn, capable of short bursts of immense destructive force and greater stamina, but equally hampered by the XY pheromone.

The thing needed though, would be research into the YY gender, to see if it is capable of surviving.

You can argue about the political and sociological issues as much as you wish, but biologically that's why any animal works like that. Frontline have to be XX, Specialists are often XY. If there is a glut in one gender, then they can be used as cannon fodder, but we're looking at the most biologically capable.

Dwarves or Elves differ of course, because genetically they're different, but I doubt a Harlequin still has their 'nads intact.

 

[Elurindel]

Given that the Space Marines are as much 'Men' as a skateboard is a car, does it matter?

To turn someone into a space marine as we know them, you'd need to alter their physiology so much they'd end up looking and sounding like the power-armored blokes we have already. Besides, it screws with the Canon and the Gene seed is made for Males. Sisters of Battle are already too cool to crap all over their canon with female marines.

Seconded. For some reason never explained, women just can't be 40k Space Marines. It's something about their physical constitution or their hormones or something. But it basically boils down to no women Space Marines. That's why they made the Sisters.

 

[curlycrouton]

Found this on Google:

Spoiler: Picture 1.

And this:

Spoiler: Picture 2.

And finally:

Spoiler: Picture 3.

Happy?

 

[TsunamiWombat]

No, it's based on misogyny. As is the reasons behind why there are only male space marines. It's supported and defended by the lore, but that lore only exists because Games Workshop thought female space marines weren't as badass.

I'm afraid it's not. The XY gender has a greater fight/flight reaction, musculature around vital areas, less internal vital organs, shorter life span, better spatial awareness, greater average size, no downtime in race production; so is built for frontline troops. It's hampered by it's need to protect the XX gender, so it's mind is more focussed when not exposed to the XX pheromone.

The XX gene though is more resilient, lighter, greater at multi-tasking, faster ability to learn, capable of short bursts of immense destructive force and greater stamina, but equally hampered by the XY pheromone.

The thing needed though, would be research into the YY gender, to see if it is capable of surviving.

You can argue about the political and sociological issues as much as you wish, but biologically that's why any animal works like that. Frontline have to be XX, Specialists are often XY. If there is a glut in one gender, then they can be used as cannon fodder, but we're looking at the most biologically capable.

Dwarves or Elves differ of course, because genetically they're different, but I doubt a Harlequin still has their 'nads intact.

Thank you. God, i'm all for gender equality but hell people, we ARE bilogically built for certain roles.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

and only about what's badass and awesome and cool, and what would make the 14-year old players cum in their pants just thinking about the game, I don't think we'll see any interesting portrayals of Space Marines, at least in another 5 years.

Google Image "Samus". I think that answers both questions.

 

[Ultrajoe]

and only about what's badass and awesome and cool, and what would make the 14-year old players cum in their pants just thinking about the game, I don't think we'll see any interesting portrayals of Space Marines, at least in another 5 years.

Google Image "Samus". I think that answers both questions.

Samus is hardly female. Her gender is an addon to her character, not an integral part of it.

 

[Elurindel]

Ok. Seriously guys. This is starting to make us look bad.

"No girls in our secret club! The rules say so! You can't change the rules!"
"No girls in our secret club! Girls aren't as good as secret club stuff as dudes"
"No girls in our secret club! Girls are icky"
"Why won't any girls join our secret club?"

1. Arguing that we should have female space marines, particularly if you're a dude. Is fairly cretinous.

Behold! Sandra.

(Image omitted to preserve screen size)

Check out the tits on her! Pst, she's the one at the back. You can totally tell from the way she walks.

2. Arguing that we shouldn't have female space marines in a game that is designed to encourage creativity and enginuity because, and I paraphrase here, "Games workshop sed so", is equally cretinous.

Your reaction seems a little extreme. Who cares is women can't be the actual Space Marines. They get the Sisters fo Battle, who run around in powered armour and have bolters that they can wield with a comparable level of skill. Does it really matter than they can't spit acid, eat brains to gain people's memories and live off eating mud and poison?

Equally, I could say your reaction is equally immature:
"Girls are exactly like boys, so they should be able to do everything men should!"
"Why can't girls get other people pregnant? We should be able to have penises too!"

Plus, the image you showed is not all that feminine.

 

[bkd69]

I think there already are female Space Marines, they're just indistinguishable from the males.

 

[Neosage]

I think this should be settled over a game of Dawn of War. (anyone play?)

 

[Elurindel]

If you follow 40K canon Sisters of Battle are the female equivelant of Space Marines.
All charted chapters of Space Marines are Male. All mechanius adeptus are male. Some servitors could be classed as female, but they arent exactly human after being made into servitors. Some Inquisitors are female. Females can be found in Imperial Guard units. Females can occur in both Eldar and Dark Eldar.

Just thought I'd hold you up on somethign here. "All Mechanicus Adepts are male"? No, they're not. There have been several instances in which there are female mechanicus adepts, two of which appear in the Commisar Cain series of books, and one in Mechanicum, the latest Horus Heresy book.

 

[Neosage]

I think this should be settled over a game of Dawn of War. (anyone play?)

You're on brother. See you in two months when DoW 2 gets released. XD

You will soon know why the Deathwing are the best first company in the universe.

 

[gamergal126]

Ok. Seriously guys. This is starting to make us look bad.

"No girls in our secret club! The rules say so! You can't change the rules!"
"No girls in our secret club! Girls aren't as good as secret club stuff as dudes"
"No girls in our secret club! Girls are icky"
"Why won't any girls join our secret club?"

1. Arguing that we should have female space marines, particularly if you're a dude. Is fairly cretinous.

Behold! Sandra.

(Image omitted to preserve screen size)

Check out the tits on her! Pst, she's the one at the back. You can totally tell from the way she walks.

2. Arguing that we shouldn't have female space marines in a game that is designed to encourage creativity and enginuity because, and I paraphrase here, "Games workshop sed so", is equally cretinous.

Your reaction seems a little extreme. Who cares is women can't be the actual Space Marines. They get the Sisters fo Battle, who run around in powered armour and have bolters that they can wield with a comparable level of skill. Does it really matter than they can't spit acid, eat brains to gain people's memories and live off eating mud and poison?

Equally, I could say your reaction is equally immature:
"Girls are exactly like boys, so they should be able to do everything men should!"
"Why can't girls get other people pregnant? We should be able to have penises too!"

Plus, the image you showed is not all that feminine.

Dude the image is supposed to be sarcastic

 

[Elurindel]

Ok. Seriously guys. This is starting to make us look bad.

"No girls in our secret club! The rules say so! You can't change the rules!"
"No girls in our secret club! Girls aren't as good as secret club stuff as dudes"
"No girls in our secret club! Girls are icky"
"Why won't any girls join our secret club?"

1. Arguing that we should have female space marines, particularly if you're a dude. Is fairly cretinous.

Behold! Sandra.

(Image omitted to preserve screen size)

Check out the tits on her! Pst, she's the one at the back. You can totally tell from the way she walks.

2. Arguing that we shouldn't have female space marines in a game that is designed to encourage creativity and enginuity because, and I paraphrase here, "Games workshop sed so", is equally cretinous.

Your reaction seems a little extreme. Who cares is women can't be the actual Space Marines. They get the Sisters fo Battle, who run around in powered armour and have bolters that they can wield with a comparable level of skill. Does it really matter than they can't spit acid, eat brains to gain people's memories and live off eating mud and poison?

Equally, I could say your reaction is equally immature:
"Girls are exactly like boys, so they should be able to do everything men should!"
"Why can't girls get other people pregnant? We should be able to have penises too!"

Plus, the image you showed is not all that feminine.

Dude the image is supposed to be sarcastic

Ah, my bad.

 

[Neosage]

I think this should be settled over a game of Dawn of War. (anyone play?)

You're on brother. See you in two months when DoW 2 gets released. XD

You will soon know why the Deathwing are the best first company in the universe.

Because they make such nice fat targets for my Dark Reapers?
That is if Reapers are included in DoW2 and they smeggin well should be.

Hahaha you make me laugh some aspect warriors against an entire company of Deathwing terminators and dreadnoughts?

 

[jimBOFH]

Seeing as the Space Marines are recruited only from those who are already extremely physically capable, female being accepted into the Space Marines is the approximate equivalent of females being accepted into the SAS or the US Airborne or Navy Seals- technically possible but practically incredibly unlikely.
Also, what's the deal with the genetic therapy and implants- it's based on the Primarchs, all of whom are male, so would it work properly on female recruits anyway?

 

[Neosage]

Seeing as the Space Marines are recruited only from those who are already extremely physically capable, female being accepted into the Space Marines is the approximate equivalent of females being accepted into the SAS or the US Airborne or Navy Seals- technically possible but practically incredibly unlikely.
Also, what's the deal with the genetic therapy and implants- it's based on the Primarchs, all of whom are male, so would it work properly on female recruits anyway?

Actually 2 of the primarchs are unknown.