Spanking

[Shoggoth2588]

Sometimes I would love to smack a kid but since I don't have any, I have none to smack. I was spanked and I turned out alright I think. My brother hasn't been and he's kind of bratty but he is 9 so...I dunno. Still plenty of time for him to cross the line.

 

[WOPR]

Leaving out the extremities of smacking a child, do you think in some cases a smack is justified or do you think everything can be handled in words. I've seen the pros and cons of both choices, but I'd like to see your opinions.

Well it does get a message across (like smacking a kid rather hard then telling them "WALKING OUT INTO THE STREET IS DANGEROUS" is more effective then acting all calm and telling them softly "that's a no no dearie")

On that note there is such a thing as too far and I was rather abused... which is probably why I treat death like a part of everyday life. (treat killing like "well it was going to happen anyways" and death like "well- do I have to mourn them? it's not like they can care now")

yeah I'm rather damaged...

 

[TehCookie]

There are easier ways but spanking is often easier because talking to a child often will not work. A lot of you children will be persistently stubborn to their ideas, even if the idea is terrible. A lot of people might find spanking a bit gratuitous but it is often for the best, so a child won't grow up into an idiotic pig who gets what they want when they want it.

Spoiler: Look at this child.

spanking would have been the best option.

Fixed the link for you, and it might have been better to use a real example instead of acting.

Spoiler

Then again some people say that is acting, but if you watch the other videos you realize that kid is just mental.

You're misinterpreting the point of that commercial. Clearly they want you to wrap it! D=<

It should be a happy face =D there is now one less unprepared parent in the world! Make sure your lady friend is on the pill too unless you're trying for kids.

 

[bz316]

when i was younger, my parents sometimes spanked me, and i turned out okay

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

Some people can be talked into discipline. Some people only understand raw power. We do what we must

 

[Koroviev]

It should be a happy face =D there is now one less unprepared parent in the world! Make sure your lady friend is on the pill too unless you're trying for kids.

Double dutch, nyeh? >

 

[Vykrel]

spanking is fine, but i feel that sometimes it is resorted to a bit too easily and quickly. parents often just dont even try telling their kids to stop doing whatever theyre doing. they just spank them

 

[crudus]

Well, there's reasoning, and then there's evidence. I think your reasoning is strong. Nevertheless, as strong as your reasoning is, I feel that I need evidence to ascertain your assertion. It is by all means reasonable, but that does not necessarily mean it is supported.

I've read about operant conditioning, which is why I am hesitant to classify punishment as something other than punishment.

The definition of Negative Reinforcement is the proof. A definition isn't reason; it is evidence. It is just taking away something unfavorable to increase the frequency of an action. That is really all there is too it. Whether something is punishment or reinforcement depends on the outcome. In negative reinforcement it is the lack of something that encourages a behavior. In both of my examples it is the lack of chores and the lack spanking that is the reinforcement.

 

[Koroviev]

Some people can be talked into discipline. Some people only understand raw power. We do what we must

Raw power...sounds brutal. It is good practice to insulate all of your wires in an effort to curb the presence of raw power.

 

[Aethren]

Spanking's for pansies, my parents were military. That meant cans. Held at shoulder-height with arms straight out to your sides. For at least 30 mins. You think it's easy? Go ahead, give it a shot, you'll be thankful you only had spankings.

When a kid misbehaves around me, I cuff the back of their head, Gibbs-style.

 

[Koroviev]

Well, there's reasoning, and then there's evidence. I think your reasoning is strong. Nevertheless, as strong as your reasoning is, I feel that I need evidence to ascertain your assertion. It is by all means reasonable, but that does not necessarily mean it is supported.

I've read about operant conditioning, which is why I am hesitant to classify punishment as something other than punishment.

The definition of Negative Reinforcement is the proof. It is just taking away something unfavorable to increase the frequency of an action. That is really all there is too it. Whether something is punishment or reinforcement depends on the outcome. In negative reinforcement it is the lack of something that encourages a behavior. In both of my examples it is the lack of chores and the lack spanking that is the reinforcement. A definition isn't reason; it is evidence.

I see what you are saying, but that punishment might theoretically be used as negative reinforcement does not make it something other than punishment. Punishment is defined as an aversive stimuli used to change behavior. That a child is aware that they may be punished for certain actions does not make that punishment into negative reinforcement. It is still punishment.

God this gets confusing o__o

 

[TehCookie]

It should be a happy face =D there is now one less unprepared parent in the world! Make sure your lady friend is on the pill too unless you're trying for kids.

Double dutch, nyeh? >

Better safe than sorry !

I do have to get props to you for responding to everyone though.

 

[crudus]

I don't mean that sort of right and wrong, the basic things, 'don't touch' being one, 'don't spit' being another and you can sort of get the idea from there.

If your child doesnt know whats right and wrong at that age, its probably the best time to start teaching them. Especially if they bite, scream and throw a temper tantrum like I did. I was a terror from 3 up to at least 13, from that point I suddenly started behaving myself.

The only reason a 5 year old would know even your rights and wrongs is because they were taught it. Scolding doesn't really do anything to someone who can't understand a language. When someone says "Don't do that, he doesn't know what he is doing" my response is always "that is why I am doing it, so he learns". Learning through punishment and reward is a lot more instinctive than people seem think it is. Or did you mean just spanking shouldn't be aloud that young?

 

[Koroviev]

It should be a happy face =D there is now one less unprepared parent in the world! Make sure your lady friend is on the pill too unless you're trying for kids.

Double dutch, nyeh? >

Better safe than sorry !

I do have to get props to you for responding to everyone though.

Thanks, though I'm not sure that speaks well of my social life <__<;

 

[kikon9]

Beating a child within an inch of their life is not justifiable ever. But, a light smack would do a lot of good for discipline.

 

[Double A]

Yes, certainly. Not too hard, but enough so they know to never, ever to do wrong again. Pain is undesirable, and it teaches kids discipline. I remember being spanked once, in all my life, and I never did whatever I did again. I remember the spanking but not the action. Kind of funny, but then again it's been ~10 years. Even though I don't remember it, though, I do remember the lesson I learned: don't do something that ticks your parents off.

Well I'd prefer other means of punishment besides spanking, however a tap on the hand won't kill them. That doesn't mean I condone kicking the shit out of your kids for misbehaving or even going nuts... However, if my kid is playing up... I have given the odd smack on the hand. I don't like doing it, but I have. I personally prefer telling her off or sending her into the naughty corner or to her bedroom if it gets bad.

Spanking isn't the hand, unless your euphemism for "butt" is "hand."

 

[TehCookie]

Thanks, though I'm not sure that speaks well of my social life <__<;

Nothing wrong with having a night to yourself, unless it's every night...

 

[pulse2]

I don't mean that sort of right and wrong, the basic things, 'don't touch' being one, 'don't spit' being another and you can sort of get the idea from there.

If your child doesnt know whats right and wrong at that age, its probably the best time to start teaching them. Especially if they bite, scream and throw a temper tantrum like I did. I was a terror from 3 up to at least 13, from that point I suddenly started behaving myself.

The only reason a 5 year old would know even your rights and wrongs is because they were taught it. Scolding doesn't really do anything to someone who can't understand a language. When someone says "Don't do that, he doesn't know what he is doing" my response is always "that is why I am doing it, so he learns". Learning through punishment and reward is a lot more instinctive than people seem think it is. Or did you mean just spanking shouldn't be aloud that young?

Demonstration is a key way of teaching rights and wrongs, but I suppose there is a certain nature to children that often makes them want to do anything BUT what you've taught them, your task as a parent is to keep them on that straight and narrow.

I guess many parents will do anything in thier power to make sure that happens. In a sense, it is sort of like learning to ride a bike, you'll get a few bruises along the way, but it will be worth it when you finally learn. Thats sort of how I see certain forms od dscipline, though its when that discipline steps out of hand that parents need discipline of thier own.

 

[TheGreatCoolEnergy]

Some people can be talked into discipline. Some people only understand raw power. We do what we must

Raw power...sounds brutal. It is good practice to insulate all of your wires in an effort to curb the presence of raw power.

Well, I am very sick of this little shit heads running around like they own the world. Parents need to figure out how to fucking keep thier kids in line.

 

[Koroviev]

Thanks, though I'm not sure that speaks well of my social life <__<;

Nothing wrong with having a night to yourself, unless it's every night...

No, I had a friend over last night. I prefer being alone though.