Speculation About PSN Outage Turns to Custom Firmware

[aaronobst]

Damn people!

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

@Pirates: You are the reason we can't have nice things!

 

[[Insert Name Here]]

[sarcasm] Oh, good thing I'm missing out on gametime on something that isn't stupid at all. [/sarcasm] Sony, pirating may be a problem, but it isn't MY problem.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

OH, wait, what was that?

Anonymous wasnt behind the "attack" on the PSN?


WHAT SHOCKING NEWS!

Indeed, one can only wait for the apology from Sony.

Prophetic?

 

[OutforEC]

1. Sony sues the guy who is able to hack their system because Sony is embarrassed that he did it. Don't even try to tell me that they weren't because anybody that hacks your system, you're gonna go for them, but wait did Sony do the smart thing and ask the guy how he did it?! NO the try to sue the shit out of him because they need to swing their mighty Sony cock around to show him who is boss.

2. No hard work was destroyed in terms of game wise, but rather distributed out and even before then, that is if you bothered to even read the previous posts, game sharing has been going on and Sony has done pretty much nothing to stop it. What exactly is being destroyed here? The PSN network? Its a good thing then if you support anti-piracy, because now they get to stop and it fill the holes.

3. Its pretty funny that if what the guy said is true, it took Sony AN ENTIRE MONTH to start doing anything about it. Just knowing about the problem but not actually coming up with a solution isn't doing anything, its trying to do something. Sony let it happen to themselves, they left a loophole and these guys just exploited it like anybody would do.

4. Here comes the killer of them all, its hackers/pirates that show the problems with what Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo make and then act accordingly. If anything these guys are doing the job that Sony was too fucking lazy to do for themselves.

Its people like you who don't think much and ride that high horse so far up that make the internet that jacked up cesspool that it is.

Think before you post.

Wow, talk about circular logic. If it weren't for the pirates, Sony wouldn't have to protect against piracy.

 

[Aeshi]

Don't worry. I'm sure they're just using the games they pirate for "homebrew" which makes it alright.

 

[Shirokurou]

I'll stick to my theory...
It was the Eyjafjallajökull cat?

 

[Sarge034]

If it's true, $10 says Sony doesn't sue those guys. Never mind that, unlike GeoHot, these are the actual people who are stealing from them and the publishers and developers who partner with Sony to put content on the Playstation Store. Never mind that, unlike GeoHot, these are the actual people who massively violated the Playstation Network Terms of Use. Never mind that, unlike GeoHot, these are the actual people who went so far that they had to bring PSN down and it's been down for a week now, meaning they and their previously mentioned partners aren't making any money from people who want to pay for their products. And never mind that, unlike GeoHot, these are the actual people who use PS3 cracks and custom firmware to disrupt services for Sony's customers.

Bottom line is, these guys actually did something that is very wrong and quite undeniable so if these accusations are true. If they are, these guys deserve every possible thing that Sony could throw at them if they wanted to and nearly every single Playstation customer out there would love to see them get their due. But Sony won't go after them, because that would make Sony look good. No, Sony only goes after people when they can look like massive assholes doing it (not just GeoHot; anyone else remember the time they sued Lik Sang into oblivion for having the audacity to sell PSPs?).

Go ahead, Sony. Prove me wrong. Ruin these people if they actually did what has been described in this news post. I've got a hat here that's looking pretty tasty, and I'd love a reason to eat it as well as a reason to buy Twisted Metal and Ratchet and Clank All 4 One when they come out instead of selling off everything I own that has the words "SONY" printed on it.

First off I'm not Sony, but um kay I'll bite. GeoHot WAS an actual person!!! (But who was phone?) Does that hat taste good yet?

Also, Sony will not sue these people. They will press criminal charges as this amounts to grand theft and tax evasion. The Federal Government and Interpol will then take over.

It is obvious you think Sony was out of line to pursue GeoHot. So it's cool if I get your personal information, right? I swear I will not use it myself. I will only freely distribute it so you will lose all of your money and die of starvation. Glad we understand each other. (I'm not a fucking hacker, THIS WAS A COMPARISON)

PS- If Lik Sang was selling Sony's products without the necessary "certified dealer" status then I can't feel bad for this group/person. If you are wondering what my personal opinion is then you will not like it. I hate all hackers equally. Anon, GeoHot, WikiLeaks, fuckers that cracked the PSN...... They can all go die in a fire, and watch Sony stamp out hackers in hell.

 

[Signa]

I was a little pissed at first if this was true, because it would mean that the pirates are shitting on everyone. Then I thought about it a little more, and if I understand things right, a "pirate" who has a hacked console isn't technically allowed on PSN anymore. Therefore, they aren't allowed to even be a Sony customer if they have decided to mod their console. Ergo, Sony, nor devs are actually losing money from these pirates because they just simply wouldn't be capable of buying in the first place. If that's the case, then Sony is a HUGE jackass for shitting on their entire customer base just because they are sad some one is getting free stuff when they told them they weren't allowed to pay for it.

I don't really want to argue about piracy right now, but do you really think that they should just leave such a massive loophole open because the people who first started exploiting it wouldn't have likely bought their games anyway? I'm quite certain that Sony's partners wouldn't appreciate that, and might start looking to do more business with Nintendo, Microsoft, Valve (Steam), and basically any other company if Sony's answer to such a massive exploit is "Eh. They weren't going to buy it anyway, so suck it up."

of course not, but I expect them to treat their current paying customers with far most respect

Plus, you can't deny that there are people out there who would stop paying and start pirating using the exploit if they had found out about it. If they plug the hole, those people are just going to have to keep paying instead.

actually, if I'm correct, anyone in that position would have already lost that opportunity. Anyone else that still has that option already planned on not being a paying customer. Those potential pirates you speak of most likely have upgraded their firmwares months ago to play the latest games. Once you upgraded, you can't be a pirate anymore, since there is no going back.

So once again, I'm pointing the finger at Sony for screwing over their paying customers for people who aren't paying. They just need to work hard at shutting the hole as soon as possible or throw out a temporary fix (such as blocking all new purchases until they can implement new checks for devs) without harming the real customers as much as possible. There are other ways to handle a situation like this, and Sony is doing the worst option by far. I don't even know what the monetary damages will be against them for losing so much image with their faithful customers. Arguably, their loss is still zero whether or not the hole gets plugged because those people weren't going to pay.

This is of course all assuming that this story is the real truth behind the scenes. There could be some little detail that might change my position on this, but I'm just giving my opinion of the facts I know.

 

[EchetusXe]

I was a little pissed at first if this was true, because it would mean that the pirates are shitting on everyone. Then I thought about it a little more, and if I understand things right, a "pirate" who has a hacked console isn't technically allowed on PSN anymore. Therefore, they aren't allowed to even be a Sony customer if they have decided to mod their console. Ergo, Sony, nor devs are actually losing money from these pirates because they just simply wouldn't be capable of buying in the first place. If that's the case, then Sony is a HUGE jackass for shitting on their entire customer base just because they are sad some one is getting free stuff when they told them they weren't allowed to pay for it.

That is exactly why I am doubtful of this rumour. It is like a massive supermarket has a few kids stealing sweets and the supermarket says "Right, we are shutting the place down for the busiest week of the year to stop these kids".

 

[holy_secret]

Why did I have to buy Mass Effect 2 for the PS3? I'm like one hour away from needing to download Arrival. Gah!!!

 

[Signa]

I was a little pissed at first if this was true, because it would mean that the pirates are shitting on everyone. Then I thought about it a little more, and if I understand things right, a "pirate" who has a hacked console isn't technically allowed on PSN anymore. Therefore, they aren't allowed to even be a Sony customer if they have decided to mod their console. Ergo, Sony, nor devs are actually losing money from these pirates because they just simply wouldn't be capable of buying in the first place. If that's the case, then Sony is a HUGE jackass for shitting on their entire customer base just because they are sad some one is getting free stuff when they told them they weren't allowed to pay for it.

That is exactly why I am doubtful of this rumour. It is like a massive supermarket has a few kids stealing sweets and the supermarket says "Right, we are shutting the place down for the busiest week of the year to stop these kids".

yeah, but this is Sony we're talking about. Those sweets are gold to them, and they are going to call in the national guard to protect them if they can.

 

[EchetusXe]

I was a little pissed at first if this was true, because it would mean that the pirates are shitting on everyone. Then I thought about it a little more, and if I understand things right, a "pirate" who has a hacked console isn't technically allowed on PSN anymore. Therefore, they aren't allowed to even be a Sony customer if they have decided to mod their console. Ergo, Sony, nor devs are actually losing money from these pirates because they just simply wouldn't be capable of buying in the first place. If that's the case, then Sony is a HUGE jackass for shitting on their entire customer base just because they are sad some one is getting free stuff when they told them they weren't allowed to pay for it.

That is exactly why I am doubtful of this rumour. It is like a massive supermarket has a few kids stealing sweets and the supermarket says "Right, we are shutting the place down for the busiest week of the year to stop these kids".

yeah, but this is Sony we're talking about. Those sweets are gold to them, and they are going to call in the national guard to protect them if they can.

hmm, well I just read what faefrost posted. He explained why they would have shut it down.

It's a little more involved than simply being a situation of pirates figuring out how to download free games from PSN. (note all the posts here concerning game sharing and how low priority it seems to be). Rather it is the route that the "hackers" used (and yes they are hackers and not simply pirates). If this speculation is correct (and honestly it does seem to have a ring of credibility to it) then yes this would be considered an external assault. It isn't some sort of credit card trick. They used a hacked firmware to access the private and trusted developer network and spring through that into the more protected public PSN via a back door. From a security standpoint that is really really scary. Who knows what sort of data has been breached? Granted hearing this I am less worried about actual end user CC information. But how many games in development and testing were compromised? How many internal business documents? Payment or contract information to smaller developers with games on PSN? How much were they actually able to get into via that developer network? Just because all most nitwits did was figure out how to download free copies of Angry Birds and MW2 map packs does not mean that that's what the brighter ones limited themselves to.

It actually explains the silence a little more than most of the other scenarios discussed earlier. Chances are they are still investigating how deep the penetration was and what was exposed. They simply do not know, and at the same time do not want to sensationalize the breach or encourage others to investigate any such paths until they know exactly what happened. The fact that they do seem to be saying a little ore to the developer houses says a great deal. I am hoping that they are discussing any specific data breaches of issues with their third party development partners directly as they find them. But all sorts of contracts will prevent either side from ever discussing such things with us. (I mean just imagine the shear chaos that could occur should it be announced that a legitimate COD:Black Ops 2 Alpha was downloaded as part of the breach and is now in the wild.)

 

[JDKJ]

"Saying that Rebug is what did this is like saying a gun manufacturer is responsible for every death that happens with a gun."

If I have to read one more gun comparison, I'll get a real gun and either (a) shoot the person making the comparison in the foot or (b) shoot myself in the head.

 

[Sovereignty]

Well at least with Live, you pay for it and it works.

I am kind of pissed they're still selling PS3's and advertising for them without a disclaimer allowing people to know that the consoles *online* services are currently unavailable.

I'd be HORRIBLY pissed off if I bought a PS3 and couldn't go online. Especially if the box at the store tells me I should be able.

 

[RabbidKuriboh]

this is all well and good playing the blame game but, WHEN THE FUCK WILL IT BE BACK UP!?

 

[RabbidKuriboh]

Well at least with Live, you pay for it and it works.

I am kind of pissed they're still selling PS3's and advertising for them without a disclaimer allowing people to know that the consoles *online* services are currently unavailable.

I'd be HORRIBLY pissed off if I bought a PS3 and couldn't go online. Especially if the box at the store tells me I should be able.

bought my ps3 the day before psn went down...yup I'm pretty pissed

 

[Sovereignty]

bought my ps3 the day before psn went down...yup I'm pretty pissed

And you have every right to be -_- It's ridiculous, have you tried to contact them? Hell I'd ***** at em, they might throw some stuffs at you to get you to leave them alone.


Captcha: ystantun cells.

 

[JDKJ]

Well at least with Live, you pay for it and it works.

I am kind of pissed they're still selling PS3's and advertising for them without a disclaimer allowing people to know that the consoles *online* services are currently unavailable.

I'd be HORRIBLY pissed off if I bought a PS3 and couldn't go online. Especially if the box at the store tells me I should be able.

Are you being serious? You expect Sony to reprint advertising and packaging materials to eliminate references to the online service because it's temporarily down? You're kidding, right?

 

[JDKJ]

If it's true, $10 says Sony doesn't sue those guys. Never mind that, unlike GeoHot, these are the actual people who are stealing from them and the publishers and developers who partner with Sony to put content on the Playstation Store. Never mind that, unlike GeoHot, these are the actual people who massively violated the Playstation Network Terms of Use. Never mind that, unlike GeoHot, these are the actual people who went so far that they had to bring PSN down and it's been down for a week now, meaning they and their previously mentioned partners aren't making any money from people who want to pay for their products. And never mind that, unlike GeoHot, these are the actual people who use PS3 cracks and custom firmware to disrupt services for Sony's customers.

And never mind that EgoHot was dumb enough to publicly disclose his real identity.

Any smart hunter will target the easy prey. It's the retarded wildebeest running slowly at the rear of the herd that becomes the lion's next meal.