- Oct 20, 2010
gmaverick019 said:luckily you posted before I reposted, so perhaps just use the quote function in the future, if you want me to see it.SilverStuddedSquirre said:[I don't know what you expected coming in here with a 19~20 minute timer on the video, anyone with two brain cells rubbing together would estimate that he would go through that alone in cutscenes, let alone any gameplay of of OOT.] - gmaverick019
Yes, and that is why the opinion was that the general claim of beating the game in such a time was false. Then we began to discuss whether certain plays were exploiting programming glitches, which some of Us consider cheating, versus utilizing game mechanics to get to platforms the programmers thought you couldn't reach. (see Rj 17's most recent post)
The article title is wrong, however the video is not, he accomplished which he set out to do, in the category that he was playing for.
Don't move the goalposts unless you want to talk about a different category, what he did is legitamate within the category he was going for (which alot of speedrunners go for in fact. Not something I would ever attempt mind you, but the mindset isn't hard to understand)
I am not moving the goalposts. If you care to read back I have specifically said that I do not wish to take away a record in what (through the posts of others here today) I have learned is a legitimate category of an actual competition. The misleading nature of the article title versus what Cosmos was actually doing has also been pointed out and acknowledged. I have learned much about speedrunning culture today and I am happy for that. I certainly agree with you that the Video made by Cosmo himself is not misleading in any way, and that it has been misrepresented on the Escapist. I would like to ask this now:
So lets remove the competition part from the equation, because we aren't trying to Troll Cosmo, and because we all understand fully the difference in his actual Video and this discussion. Saying ONLY that the player beats a game in the manner seen in the video: can you see why some people say he did not beat the game? That is today's discussion. I certainly don't think you should agree with me, you are a free person. I think that I have rather spent a Lot of today keeping the Goalpost firmly centered ON the proper point; that being the nature of a glitch versus a skill, and wether or not Glitching through 90% of the game and bypassing EVRYTHING the game would have you do by a level glitch, rather than some Awesome Skill, can be considered Beating it.