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I mean i suppose in theory she could apply her charms upon women as well. Though im not sure how well that stereotype would work because you'd also have to have the other character be into her, which wouldnt typically be the case. Though i guess in Western media everybody is into everybody else these days.
Kinda funny how MJ looks like her got hit with a shovel but they let the unavailable bi-girl still be smoking hot. MJ got a drastic downgrade from the last game the same way Aloy looks worse in the sequel for some reason. I just want my unibtainable hotties back man.
They should make a Witchblade game.
For one, Aloy looks way better in the sequel - I don't know what glasses people are wearing to think she looks worse. Every character's face in Forbidden West looks freaking immaculate. And secondly, yeah, MJ looks weird, but so does Peter, and so does Harry. There's some kind of graphical consession made to this game, either due to it's size or something else, that makes most of the faces look slightly flat. It also doesn't help that all three of them are the most boring-ass looking white people this side of Full House. This is Spider-Man, this is Marvel, which means everyone needs to look as inoffensively regular as possible.
They never left. Quit your wangsting and act like a fucking adult. Nobody is "uglifying" women. You just have shallow guys (and some gals, but it's usually the guys) with pathetic and highly unrealistic expectations to whack off on "their waifus" that are "real to them".
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Dont talk about Full House that way!!!!!
You know you can enjoy good looking characters without wanting to fuck them right? This isnt weeb shit this is me not wanting to look at ugly ass characters for however many hours it takes to complete a game.
You are right in that Peter and Harry also look a bit off. As if some detail was lost in order to compensate making the game run at 40fps with ray tracing on. Personally i dont think some dumbass shadows are worth making characters gross. I spend a lot of time looking at characters and next to zero time checking shadows and oohing and light rays.
The tech is cool but it shouldnt come at the cost of things that matter. I have noticed that the characters have much less ability to emote compared to 2018s game, and maybe it is the shadows that are doing that.
Admittedly then, there’s been a recent trend (at least in the west) towards reversing the “unrealistic” beauty standards seen in the past. It’s pretty telling when even females have called it out.
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But apparently it’s not so much an attempt at being “realistic” as it is a lack of accurate representation of VAs’ likenesses themselves in several cases, as explained here -
Basically for whatever reasons the west seems to be saying, feminine beauty is not something to be admired anymore.
Yes, but it still doesn't stop the obvious suspects and assholes constantly crying like they lost something, or they don't have any options.
Could have fooled me. I do admit some characters do look wonky. Like @Casual Shinji said, it's probably from probably how Insomniac decided to process the game with its expanded open world exploration and character switching. Then again, Horizon Forbidden West has excellent character facial animations, so I don't know what Insomniac's excuse is on that one.
That I can agree on.
Notice how it's mainly the AAA games doing this. I don't have trouble admitting it's a problem or how certain studios handle it, but I am not going to lose sleep over this.
I noticed.
"Society's" definition of beauty is BS any way. Beauty is always the eye of the beholder. How someone wants to look or dress is up to them. I ain't gonna judge or pressure them much. Especially when it's none of my goddamn business. Besides, Asian countries like Japan and China have the opposite problem. Every character has to look like a hot super model, teenage or 20s/barely 30 something character, otherwise people won't by our product! Even people and the lead developer of the Yakuza Team at Sega admitted this when praising Tsushima.
Forgive me for not watching a video with the thumbnail title 'the west hates women' with the usual cherry picked examples. Again, have people actually played Forbidden West, or at least watched a let's play!?Admittedly then, there’s been a recent trend (at least in the west) towards reversing the “unrealistic” beauty standards seen in the past. It’s pretty telling when even females have called it out.
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But apparently it’s not so much an attempt at being “realistic” as it is a lack of accurate representation of VAs’ likenesses themselves in several cases, as explained here -
Basically for whatever reasons the west seems to be saying, feminine beauty is not something to be admired anymore.
Japanese game characters looking "prettier" is nothing new. This has always been the case. Japan puts more effort into making their character models look shiny and perfect. You compare the ingame characters models from OG Resident Evil 4 to God of War 2 or Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, or those from Metal Gear Solid 4 to Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. And it's not just reserved to women - the male characters in Japanese games look "hotter" than those in Western games as well. But you don't hear people complaining about that, you don't see videos showing Leon from Resident Evil 4 or Kiryu from Yakuza next to Jin from Ghost of Tsushima or Peter from Spider-Man with the title 'ew, why are men in western games so ugly'.
And gee, I wonder why that is? Could it be because women are automatically judged on their looks and men aren't? Surely not, right?
Actually it is more about the expectation of men being grizzled and tough. The "ugliness" on men comes from being badasses, surviving through war and battle.
In contrast to the women being protected and beautiful.
The societal expectation goes both ways. Just like there is no such thing as body positivity for men. Men are expecting to be Thor, Kratos, Ryu, Kiryu, Drake, Wolverine. And most men are perfectly fine with that because we WANT to roleplay as attractive people who dont know what a hamburger is.
And women generally also want the same. Regardless of your own looks generally people want to see attractive people. In the real world and in fiction.
Society doesnt dictate attraction either, bIology does. Being attract generally indicates health, a good body indicates successful mating outcomes in the mans eye looking at a woman, and it indicates strength and protection in the woman's eye when looking at a man. Media and society has just capitalized on this biology, they havent changed it. At best media moves the needle here and there slightly, but Kelly Bundy was hot in the 90s and if she was the same girl today she'd still be hot.
Nope. Neither have I, but I am not going to waste my time hating on a game for not having super model characters. It's the apocolypse, not everyone is going to like a hot super model 24/7.
Ironic that mention that:
Yakuza Director Praises Ghost of Tsushima, Says Japan Should've Made It
Toshihiro Nagoshi, Sega’s executive director of the Yakuza games, has many good things to say about Ghost of Tsushima.
kotaku.com
Spider-Man 2 Dev Addresses Game Cost Versus Length Debate - IGN
Spider-Man 2's creative director has addressed the video game cost versus length debate that sparked ahead of launch.
Its just your average pandering that every modern wester game need to have. Imagene paying full priece to a spiderman game, only to play as some random deaf girl
Also, speaking on spiderman, I saw the leaked ending. Peter parker give up of being spiderman and miles takes became the new spiderman. This just proves what people have being saying, that sony and disney wants to replace peter for miles. Kek, just look at modern spiderman comics, peter is a complete pathetic guy that only keep losing while miles only keep getting the spotlight saving peter ass in every occasion (the same shit happens in this game).
Which is not so much as physical attraction/sexy and just the general power fantasy. That's always been there and something men don't worry about.
While there is nothing wrong with attraction, there is a big problem with hating on people (usually happens to women the most) for how they look and consider them "ugly", because they don't look like the lady on their TV Show, anime/manga, video game, favorite porn mag, or porno site.
Wrong. They capitalized it and made many fantasies impossible to reach or have unrealistic expectations, while trying to have it both ways at times. Dude, you've done this conversation a million times here, and it's still shit.
BTW,
That only further proves my point.
Yakuza Director Praises Ghost of Tsushima, Says Japan Should've Made It
Toshihiro Nagoshi, Sega’s executive director of the Yakuza games, has many good things to say about Ghost of Tsushima.
kotaku.com
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I find it ironic that black man is complaining about playing as a deaf black woman in one minor segment and using the termIts just your average pandering that every modern wester game need to have. Imagene paying full priece to a spiderman game, only to play as some random deaf girl
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Please don't with this.
We're not attracted to "good biology", since we can't see good biology. Just because a hot girl is hot doesn't mean she can't have a heart disease, and just because a dude is ripped doesn't mean he can't have reproductive problems. It really doesn't mean shit. We think it means something, because we're told that to look like that is the best human you can possibly be, but that's primarily optics. The "ideal" body types we see today didn't exist 100 years ago, and back then people still got boners for eachother the same as they do today.
Also, you know... gay men and women.
Yeah, he's going on his armchair "theory and evidence" again. Always has been full of shit forever more.
Him not liking the section is fine. I do have a problem with him using gay as an insult like he's Riley from Boondocks. I'm not here to defend every unexpected gameplay change/switch to a completely different character, but have some fucking class about it.