Square Enix Sued Over Kane and Lynch 2

IamLEAM1983

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
China is pretty much the most backwards, tyrannically ruled bomb of a first world country. Poverty is common place, the rich rape the people for all their worth and the "government" goes to great lengths to murder silence and arrest anyone who speaks up. They have the highest ratio of executions of any country on Earth and an utter joke of a criminal justice system, all but ensuring innocent people and anyone the government doesn't like go missing or have their head blown off on a daily basis. They give new meaning to the term political prisoner. Nothing that comes from that country surprises me.

And and I'd well bet China is one of the more racist and xenophobic nations of people on Earth as well--irony.
But - But - The Karate Kid remake showed me that Chinese people are wise and mystical, the Kung Fu Panda movies prove they all sound exactly like Americans, and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon showed me that they're so lightweight they can actually flail their legs mid-leap to defeat gravity for a short while! You can't diss something as awesome as China!

Yeah, the guy sounds like a more desperate take on Jack Thompson. The ridiculous sum he's asked for makes this seem like a blatant attempt at extortion and honestly - if China's that concerned about its public image outside of its boundaries, it's a little late on the uptake. Sounds to me like we're just dealing with an over-zealous supporter of the official party.
 

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...so people've attempted to sue Mass Effect for a crappy ending, and now Kane and Lynch for crappy representation.

Who needs Video Game Critics and Journalists anymore, just sue for anything you don't like! I feel that Catherine is too damn hard, I'M SUING.


This can't go through, but it'd go well as Chinese propaganda, so they'd probably throw some weight behind it. Either way, the right to complain should be upheld, but suing over what amounts to "it might give people the wrong idea based upon a video game whose main characters are sociopaths" is a bit silly.

And if its over misrepresentation, I reserve the right to sue anytime someone butchers a British accent in a game.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
I'm going to assume this is fake or will be thrown out by any judge worth his salt.
 

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That guy must feel pretty special if he trying to act like he's the main guy of China.

Hopefully Square Enix will either drag out the lawsuit to long length and then drop the whole bill on that guy or just smash him down right there on the first session.
 

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only over $1600?

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really .... >.> do these idiots know what squareenix is worth? they could throw that kinda money out the window and never notice it.

and that's not getting into what a waste of time this is, sides, what are they bitching about? last i checked, if you steal something, your not allowed to complain about it being shit :p
 

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Grey Carter said:
ScruffyMcBalls said:
jajujo said:
Grey Carter said:
...terrible third person shouter sequel...
A third person shouter game sounds more interesting than this game probably was...
It does, doesn't it...
Had that been intentional it would have been quite funny, as Kane and Lynch spend the vast majority of the game screaming at each other.
I'm sorry you had to find that out.
 

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"The lawyer is demanding an apology, as well compensation from both developer, IO Interactive, and Square Enix to the tune of 10,000 yuan or around $1600"

Hmm, me thinks he think if he gets $1'600 now, he can extort $16'000'000 later.
 
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translated by the scholars over at Sankaku Complex oh god op you won an internet today...I haven't laughed so hard in so long.

On subject square didn't make the game wasn't developed by square enix just published. How can they be held responsible for game made by IO Interactive and Nixxes Software??
 

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I think I should sue Activision for MW2 portrayal of Russians. It's also full of misinformation and insulting stuff and actually way more offensive then Kane and Lynch 2 towards Chinese.
Heh, regardless this isn't the scale... $1600? $16000000 would make a difference, not $1600.
 

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Stupidity of this whole thing aside, all of you can suck it.

Both Kane and Lynch games were fantastic! There are moments of pure awesome in both games. I found them quite enjoyable.
 

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There is lots of bad blood between Japan and China. Though many would complain about the U.S. use of nuculear weapons against large civilian populations (though they thought the emperor to be a God)... what the U.S. did was nothing compared to what Japan did in Manchuria. It is kind of hard for China to play up the victim card these days, considering Japan is has been essentially a free market liberal representative republic since MacArthur, and China kind of went downhill from the 50's onward... there have been tepid inprovements since Nixon went to China, but...

Yeah. If Square did not buy Edios, I am sure this lawsuit would have never come up.
 

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Brad Shepard said:
one, this game is how old? and two, You dont see Russians suing over Call of duty, you dont see Japanese suing over Medal of Honor, you dont see Elites suing over Halo.
Well, we've seen this building. Nations like Russia have been getting upset over being presented as the bad guys in foreign media for a while, they made a big stink over say "Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull" given that there were Russian bad guys. Then there was the leadership of Venezuala getting all uppity over "Mercenaries 2: World In Flames". We also say "Resident Evil 5" spawning complaints which were taken seriously over the portrayal of african tribals as african tribals.

All of these things, combined with American liberals taking them seriously, have lead up to this moment as we've definatly established the precedent for this kind of stupidity. The industry and court systems being unwilling to stand up, is one of the reasons why we're seeing so much overuse of non-entities like zombies as video game and movie villains.

I mention the court system, because in general when someone makes a complaint about something being racist, bigoted, etc... when it portrays a group of people negatively, there is a tendency (even if it's not universal) to step on it, to the cheers of the left wing and groups like the ACLU. Accuracy and situational truth not being especially relevent.

China has proven itself to be a cultural sinkhole, the corruption during the Olympics (how it treated it's people setting them up for example) just being the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention their "Death Vans", business practices, and other issues. Of course in a country where it's borderline illegal to say anything bad about any group of people, none of that matters when it goes to court.

One also has to understand everything I'm saying in terms of context as well, understand "Kane and Lynch" is a game about criminals, with protaganists who are not good guys. The theme of a game can in many cases justify it's content through context.

If they are talking about the treatment of the goverment/police... well... let's just say that portraying China negatively is an understatement, we actually tend to not be critical enough.

Here is some bits on those oh-so wonderful Chinese law enforcers:




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165416/Chinas-hi-tech-death-van-criminals-executed-organs-sold-black-market.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrRyeqIjsX0


That's just the tip of the iceberg, but 4 links is enough. Daily Mail isn't usually one of my go-to sources but it summarizes a lot of the problems in this case, and if you do some digging finding their sources isn't difficult here.

In short, China has built mobile execution chambers. Their claim was that these vans were designed to drive up to prisons, where the prisoners would be brought outside to the van and killed... which makes no sense either from a security or efficiency standpoint.

In reality what China has started doing is using these vans to arrest people, where they are strapped in and given a "fair trial" through video conferance. At which point they are murdered in a fashion that allows for the organs to be extracted for later sale. The Daily Mail exagerrates the situation a bit by saying that the organs go to the US, most of them (according to articles I've read) are used domestically, though some do apparently wind up on the international market. A lot of the information about this came about apparently from tracking the origin of organs back to their source, rather than by infiltrating the police or following the vans around. According to one article I read (which I couldn't find) there have been cases of closure from such investigations. One guy in the US (admittedly) wanted to thank the guy who donated a Kidney from China, in tracking the path back he hit a lot of barriers but then found out that the guy was missing and the parents didn't even know he was executed even if the police had records... in short they pretty much snatched (presumably tried), and murdered/harvested him.

It's one of those cases where truth is stranger than fiction, and honestly, with all the garbage China is up to, how does it get off screaming about defamation of national character?

Such are my thoughts.
 

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Therumancer said:
Brad Shepard said:
one, this game is how old? and two, You dont see Russians suing over Call of duty, you dont see Japanese suing over Medal of Honor, you dont see Elites suing over Halo.
Well, we've seen this building. Nations like Russia have been getting upset over being presented as the bad guys in foreign media for a while, they made a big stink over say "Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull" given that there were Russian bad guys. Then there was the leadership of Venezuala getting all uppity over "Mercenaries 2: World In Flames". We also say "Resident Evil 5" spawning complaints which were taken seriously over the portrayal of african tribals as african tribals.

All of these things, combined with American liberals taking them seriously, have lead up to this moment as we've definatly established the precedent for this kind of stupidity. The industry and court systems being unwilling to stand up, is one of the reasons why we're seeing so much overuse of non-entities like zombies as video game and movie villains.

I mention the court system, because in general when someone makes a complaint about something being racist, bigoted, etc... when it portrays a group of people negatively, there is a tendency (even if it's not universal) to step on it, to the cheers of the left wing and groups like the ACLU. Accuracy and situational truth not being especially relevent.

China has proven itself to be a cultural sinkhole, the corruption during the Olympics (how it treated it's people setting them up for example) just being the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention their "Death Vans", business practices, and other issues. Of course in a country where it's borderline illegal to say anything bad about any group of people, none of that matters when it goes to court.

One also has to understand everything I'm saying in terms of context as well, understand "Kane and Lynch" is a game about criminals, with protaganists who are not good guys. The theme of a game can in many cases justify it's content through context.

If they are talking about the treatment of the goverment/police... well... let's just say that portraying China negatively is an understatement, we actually tend to not be critical enough.

Here is some bits on those oh-so wonderful Chinese law enforcers:




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165416/Chinas-hi-tech-death-van-criminals-executed-organs-sold-black-market.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrRyeqIjsX0


That's just the tip of the iceberg, but 4 links is enough. Daily Mail isn't usually one of my go-to sources but it summarizes a lot of the problems in this case, and if you do some digging finding their sources isn't difficult here.

In short, China has built mobile execution chambers. Their claim was that these vans were designed to drive up to prisons, where the prisoners would be brought outside to the van and killed... which makes no sense either from a security or efficiency standpoint.

In reality what China has started doing is using these vans to arrest people, where they are strapped in and given a "fair trial" through video conferance. At which point they are murdered in a fashion that allows for the organs to be extracted for later sale. The Daily Mail exagerrates the situation a bit by saying that the organs go to the US, most of them (according to articles I've read) are used domestically, though some do apparently wind up on the international market. A lot of the information about this came about apparently from tracking the origin of organs back to their source, rather than by infiltrating the police or following the vans around. According to one article I read (which I couldn't find) there have been cases of closure from such investigations. One guy in the US (admittedly) wanted to thank the guy who donated a Kidney from China, in tracking the path back he hit a lot of barriers but then found out that the guy was missing and the parents didn't even know he was executed even if the police had records... in short they pretty much snatched (presumably tried), and murdered/harvested him.

It's one of those cases where truth is stranger than fiction, and honestly, with all the garbage China is up to, how does it get off screaming about defamation of national character?

Such are my thoughts.
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I bet next they'll be suing Koei for all the Dynasty Warriors and the MILLIONS of poor Chinese soldiers that just get absolutely butchered in those games. :p
 

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Awww... how dissapointing... I though they were suing Squeenix for making such an awful game and not because it "damages" China's image. It's not like Mexico's suing Call of Juarez: The Cartel for "damaging" Mexico's image, although that game should be sued for being shitty too.